Nickel Plate Road 587

For over a decade now, Nickel Plate steam locomotive 587 has been in the shops at Forest Park in Noblesville, Indiana, as its 15 year FRA mandated overhaul and inspection slowly progresses. I personally saw 587 in 2013, and it wasn't recognizable. You could tell it was a steam locomotive, but that was about it. 

Currently, there is a legal battle going down between the Indiana Transportation Museum, and the HHPA, who owns the tracks between Indianapolis and Tipton, that the Museum operates on. The HHPA doesn't own the tracks within the museum grounds, but diesel excursions like the State Fair Train (Which didn't run in 2016) are the primary source of revenue for the museum. So the 587's future seems uncertain.

Is there anyone on the forum who is involved with the Indiana Transportation Museum?

K&L Trainz has recently released a virtual model of 587!

Original Post

ITM has many, many issues. The exact status of 587 is the least of their worries. Are you aware ITM is landlocked? There is no rail connection at either end of the line. So even if 587 could run it has no place to go off the Indy-Tipton segment assuming ITM even gets rights to operate over it again. I keep hearing different things regarding what has happened which includes how to move forward assuming a solution can be found to satisfy all involved parties. The main thing is that ITM was supposed to put some/all of the revenue back into the track which apparently was not done which started all the legal troubles. Add in conflicts between the ITM board and the operating crews and there we are today...

A similar but not quite the same situation exists at HVRM (Hoosier Valley Railroad Museum) up in North Judson - town owns the line but the freight operator that leases it has not allowed HVRM trains to operate over a portion of the line since May 11, 2016 - see http://www.hoosiervalley.org/saving-railroad-part-ii/  for details. I also understand a new freight operator has been selected (Lake States) back in September 2016 but at last report no paperwork has been signed for them to take over the freight operations.

Bottom line - and I know you're tired of hearing this - does no good to have an operating steam locomotive if there is no place to run it! If 587 were ready to be fired up tomorrow not going to do much good if it can't run on more than on the small bit of ITM owned trackage there at Noblesville. There is no connection to NS at Tipton and they won't allow it to be reinstated. At the Indy end CSX removed the diamond - even if ITM can reconnect there we all know how CSX feels about permitting steam on their tracks. I don't give 587 much hope to operate again until the situation is sorted out or it is trucked out to another museum and/or rail line that will allow it to operate.

An organization such as IRM (Illinois Railway Museum) is in the best position these days to operate equipment as they own the land, buildings, equipment and demonstration railroad. There is nothing like having full control over everything. No, IRM is not perfect but they do very well with what they have and keep making improvements to the place. Are you aware IRM's Frisco 1630 pulled 135 hoppers stored on IRM property back to the Union Pacific on May 29, 2016? Here's a video of the event:

645 posted:

 

An organization such as IRM (Illinois Railway Museum) is in the best position these days to operate equipment as they own the land, buildings, equipment and demonstration railroad. There is nothing like having full control over everything. No, IRM is not perfect but they do very well with what they have and keep making improvements to the place.

Not only do they own the right of way and museum campus, but have been buying adjacent "buffer" properties to prevent suburbia from encroaching and complaining about the noise.

Rusty

Rusty Traque posted:
645 posted:

 

An organization such as IRM (Illinois Railway Museum) is in the best position these days to operate equipment as they own the land, buildings, equipment and demonstration railroad. There is nothing like having full control over everything. No, IRM is not perfect but they do very well with what they have and keep making improvements to the place.

Not only do they own the right of way and museum campus, but have been buying adjacent "buffer" properties to prevent suburbia from encroaching and complaining about the noise.

These quiet zones going up are a load of crap for multiple reasons. First, the railroad was there WAY before the residents were there, and it takes them to work in some cases. Also, they didn't have to build right next to a   3-track main and suddenly say: "It's so noisy here! We need to send a complaint." Quiet zones are dangerous too. There have been many cases of people crossing the tracks at commuter stations and getting hit because they don't hear the train. But they should still be paying attention.

Rusty

I would love to see 765 run to IRM from Chicago. The museum grounds are adequate for an excursion, with enough space for photo runbys, an even surface for passengers to unload, a place to turn 765 around, and enough entertainment for passengers. I don't know if 765 will fit under the wires though, or if UP will let them run on their tracks. 

I know IRM has buffer land - didn't want to confuse anyone here about what that meant as most museums/tourist lines have not gotten into this yet if there is a potential need for it. I know IRM and Strasburg (through a partnership with Amish farmers I believe) have bought buffer land. Are there other museum and/or tourist lines that also have buffer land? It's a good idea for locations that are seeing growth that may impact a museum's campus and/or rail line's right of way in the future.

A bigger issue is the rails to trails crowd - there are a few rail operations in New York State having difficulties with the trail crowd as political support there seems to favor the trails. We're literally getting off the tracks here from the original topic though... well, maybe not that much as I think it has been discussed that some of ITM's current right of way *may* become a trail if certain parties have their way. Not everyone wants the trains - can't please everyone but I do hope ITM can continue as it was/is a nice operation - and their Fair Train was an unique operation.

Railfan Brody posted:

I would love to see 765 run to IRM from Chicago. The museum grounds are adequate for an excursion, with enough space for photo runbys, an even surface for passengers to unload, a place to turn 765 around, and enough entertainment for passengers. I don't know if 765 will fit under the wires though, or if UP will let them run on their tracks. 

Union Pacific policy is only UP owned and operated steam can operate on UP trackage. That is 844 - and 4014 if/when it is restored to operational status in the future. 3985? Slim chance of 3985 seeing operate again but might be possible after 4014 is done?

Remember that SP 4449 has an excellent record operating on the Southern Pacific but after UP took the Espee over it has not operated on UP regardless if it was ex-SP or original UP trackage. If it weren't for BNSF (and the P&W shortline) 4449's operations would really be limited. If 4449 can't operate on UP they sure aren't going to allow 765 to do so.

 

Only way 765 might be able to go to Union is if Metra buys the Belvidere line from UP but so far any real action to start Metra service on that line has gone nowhere. It has been discussed in the past elsewhere how nice it would be for IRM visitors to ride Metra out to Union and have a platform transfer to IRM. Right now Metra on the Belvidere line seems to be a dead issue again. Think even if it happened UP would retain ownership so not sure about Metra being able to allow 765's use anyway. Now if the Chrysler plant at Belvidere closes someday in the future UP may no longer want it as the bulk of the traffic is Chrysler-related. Not sure what else they have for traffic on it. Either a shortline or Metra may be able to acquire it then.

Also keep in mind 765 probably will have issues being turned on IRM's wye. 1630 barely makes it thru on one leg of the wye (think it was the east leg IIRC) so they avoid using it. Like Strasburg does, 1630 spends half it's time shoving the train. Besides, there is no place to turn 1630 at the east end of IRM's mainline.

One other thing - IRM owns Santa Fe 4-8-4 2903 which fits under the wire. I'm sure 2903 is a bit bigger then 765 so the 765 should fit too!

645 posted:
Railfan Brody posted:

I would love to see 765 run to IRM from Chicago. The museum grounds are adequate for an excursion, with enough space for photo runbys, an even surface for passengers to unload, a place to turn 765 around, and enough entertainment for passengers. I don't know if 765 will fit under the wires though, or if UP will let them run on their tracks. 

Union Pacific policy is only UP owned and operated steam can operate on UP trackage. That is 844 - and 4014 if/when it is restored to operational status in the future. 3985? Slim chance of 3985 seeing operate again but might be possible after 4014 is done?

Remember that SP 4449 has an excellent record operating on the Southern Pacific but after UP took the Espee over it has not operated on UP regardless if it was ex-SP or original UP trackage. If it weren't for BNSF (and the P&W shortline) 4449's operations would really be limited. If 4449 can't operate on UP they sure aren't going to allow 765 to do so.

 

To be clear, the Union Pacific has NEVER "turned down" the SP 4449 group from ANY operations on UP. The main fact is, the SP 4449 group has NEVER asked the UP to "operate 4449 on their lines! There really isn't any suitable locations on the former SP lines in Oregon to operate one day excursions to anyway. 

Hot Water posted:
To be clear, the Union Pacific has NEVER "turned down" the SP 4449 group from ANY operations on UP. The main fact is, the SP 4449 group has NEVER asked the UP to "operate 4449 on their lines! There really isn't any suitable locations on the former SP lines in Oregon to operate one day excursions to anyway. 

Thank you for setting me straight on the facts regarding 4449 potentially operating on the UP - thought it was asked at least once after UP took over the Espee.

I did meet Mr. Ed Dickens once very briefly a few years ago and subject of SP 4449 and other non-UP steam operating on UP came up. Mr. Dickens told me at that time only UP owned and maintained steam is permitted to operate on UP trackage.

645 posted:
Hot Water posted:
To be clear, the Union Pacific has NEVER "turned down" the SP 4449 group from ANY operations on UP. The main fact is, the SP 4449 group has NEVER asked the UP to "operate 4449 on their lines! There really isn't any suitable locations on the former SP lines in Oregon to operate one day excursions to anyway. 

Thank you for setting me straight on the facts regarding 4449 potentially operating on the UP - thought it was asked at least once after UP took over the Espee.

I did meet Mr. Ed Dickens once very briefly a few years ago and subject of SP 4449 and other non-UP steam operating on UP came up. Mr. Dickens told me at that time only UP owned and maintained steam is permitted to operate on UP trackage.

Well, that may be HIS "policy" but prior to the retirement of Steve Lee, the UP actually ASKED our group (SP 4449) on two different occasions to join their 844 in operations. The first time, back in 1999, was the dedication of the J. R. Davis Yard in Roseville (which was eventually delayed enough so that just UP 844 and 3985 handled the big event), and the second time was for the double header operation in 2007 out of Tacoma, Washington.

 

645 posted:

ITM has many, many issues. The exact status of 587 is the least of their worries. Are you aware ITM is landlocked? There is no rail connection at either end of the line. So even if 587 could run it has no place to go off the Indy-Tipton segment assuming ITM even gets rights to operate over it again. I keep hearing different things regarding what has happened which includes how to move forward assuming a solution can be found to satisfy all involved parties. The main thing is that ITM was supposed to put some/all of the revenue back into the track which apparently was not done which started all the legal troubles. Add in conflicts between the ITM board and the operating crews and there we are today...

A similar but not quite the same situation exists at HVRM (Hoosier Valley Railroad Museum) up in North Judson - town owns the line but the freight operator that leases it has not allowed HVRM trains to operate over a portion of the line since May 11, 2016 - see http://www.hoosiervalley.org/saving-railroad-part-ii/  for details. I also understand a new freight operator has been selected (Lake States) back in September 2016 but at last report no paperwork has been signed for them to take over the freight operations.

Bottom line - and I know you're tired of hearing this - does no good to have an operating steam locomotive if there is no place to run it! If 587 were ready to be fired up tomorrow not going to do much good if it can't run on more than on the small bit of ITM owned trackage there at Noblesville. There is no connection to NS at Tipton and they won't allow it to be reinstated. At the Indy end CSX removed the diamond - even if ITM can reconnect there we all know how CSX feels about permitting steam on their tracks. I don't give 587 much hope to operate again until the situation is sorted out or it is trucked out to another museum and/or rail line that will allow it to operate.

An organization such as IRM (Illinois Railway Museum) is in the best position these days to operate equipment as they own the land, buildings, equipment and demonstration railroad. There is nothing like having full control over everything. No, IRM is not perfect but they do very well with what they have and keep making improvements to the place. Are you aware IRM's Frisco 1630 pulled 135 hoppers stored on IRM property back to the Union Pacific on May 29, 2016? Here's a video of the event:

I have family that's been directly impacted by the shenanigans pulled off by the ITM board - sorry that I can't spell things out, but a lot of good people have been dealt with in what can only be termed a sh***y manner.  It may be hard to resume any semblance of normal operation at ITM when (more likely if) the problems are dealt with and the folks causing the harm removed from the operation - it's a very sad situation...

For those that want more information on the problems at the Indiana Transportation Museum, see the Indiana Railroads Bull Session Forum.  There are a couple different threads of information and plenty of bickering and finger pointing to go along with it.   Unless something dramatic happens, the best thing that could happen to 587 would probably be for it to come to Fort Wayne.   Not saying it would or could or should, but at least it would be in safe hands that know how to take care of it, and at some point it could at least be properly displayed, if not operated.

An update on ITM as of Feb. 27, 2017:  indystar.com/2017/02/27/fishers-noblesville-turn-nickel-plate-corridor-into-trail

If this comes to pass ITM will truly become landlocked and the Fair Train won't be coming back. While I'm sure a few organizations would be interested in ITM's equipment should it be put up for sale (the ex-ATSF 1938 Super Chief cars come to mind) the need to truck the stuff to a new location or railhead will be an additional cost / headache.

Wonder if ITM will survive in Noblesville as a landlocked museum if the trail becomes reality? Or any chance to find a new home - but still need to move the equipment and without a live rail connection that will be a real tall obstacle to overcome. Add in the issues between ITM and the HHPA (who owns the track ITM operated on) and I'm not sure how ITM would be welcomed on another rail line unless they can purchase/operate the line themselves.

So the original topic of NKP 587 returning to operation someday is not going to happen until this mess is resolved. Unless someone like Age of Steam Roundhouse or the FWRHS (NKP 765's owners) step up to acquire 587 I suspect it will be lucky to even get a cosmetic restoration for display. 

Also wonder what will become of NKP GP7 426 (which was specifically ordered for the Indy-Tipton line that ITM used) and NKP business car #1? Far as I'm aware the 426 is still operational. Glad I got my shots of it running on the line to Tipton a few years back!

 

Also at ITM and not well known is restored / operational Monon SW1 #50 which is a war baby built in 1942:

645 posted:

Also wonder what will become of NKP GP7 426 (which was specifically ordered for the Indy-Tipton line that ITM used) and NKP business car #1? Far as I'm aware the 426 is still operational. Glad I got my shots of it running on the line to Tipton a few years back!

I rode in the cab of 426 in 2015 on the Fairtrain, the last year too.

 

Also at ITM and not well known is restored / operational Monon SW1 #50 which is a war baby built in 1942:

That locomotive was the FIRST diesel the Monon owned, yet it's hardly used.

 

An update on ITM's situation copied from the Indy Star newspaper's March 13, 2017 edition:

Fair Train supporters ready to rumble

While elected officials in Hamilton County prepare to convert the Nickel Plate railroad to a greenway, the operators of the suspended State Fair train have developed a plan for expanded service that would feature year-round trains traveling from Noblesville to Downtown Indianapolis.

Rail enthusiasts at the Indiana Transportation Museum are putting the final touches on the plan, which includes adding tracks from the State Fairgrounds to 10th Street and linking with freight tracks that head into Union Station.

“We are looking at full-length trains that would run weekends all year,” said Craig Presler, secretary for the transportation museum. “We were profitable before the suspension and were heading to our best year ever. We think there is a market for this.”

The museum had operated the fair train for 30 years before the Hoosier Heritage Port Authority halted it last summer because of concerns about the safety of the tracks. The authority, which represents Hamilton County, Fishers and Noblesville and oversees 37 miles of track, said it would cost up to $5 million to make the repairs.

Presler said the museum hired a consultant to draw up a feasibility and operations plan for even more service. He said the trains could stretch to 10 cars, including dining cars and compartments for bicycles, even canoes, to take people on day trips in the city or nights on the town.

Stone Consulting of Pennsylvania estimated the train could attract 100,000 visitors from across the United States who would pump dollars into the local economies. The museum said the Nickel Plate line was unique because it connects three cities: Noblesville, Fishers and Indianapolis.

The ambitious endeavor faces a major obstacle, however. Fishers and Noblesville plan to tear out the tracks and replace it with a bicycling and walking trail. The $9 million project was announced with much fanfare along the tracks in Fishers on Jan. 30.

The museum said it favors putting the trail alongside the tracks, and its members will attend public hearings to offer their alternative on March 21 in Fishers and March 23 in Noblesville.

Joining them will be rail buffs from the Fort Wayne Historical Society. Kelly Lynch, vice president of the society, said the cities will squander a tourism asset if they get rid of the tracks.

“The trend now is for communities to go back to their roots and their cultural heritage, not get rid of it,” Lynch said. “It is one thing to say you are a railroad town and another to be one. You’d think they’d like to stay authentic to their heritage.”

Indeed, downtown Fishers is filled with reminders of its railroad days. From the Nickel Plate Diner to its train platform to two new apartment complexes named the Depot and the Switch.

The museum said many railroad lovers have come forward to voice opposition to the line’s demise. A change.org petition to “Save the Nickel Plate”  has more than 1,800 signatures.

Fishers spokeswoman Ashley Elrod said the city has received about a half-dozen letters from the railroad backers but said many more people have expressed support for the trail.

“We understand there is a lot of nostalgia related to trains,” Elrod said. “But people are really enthusiastic about the trail. Some people are telling us they were envious of Carmel and Westfield where they have the Monon Trail and were even thinking about moving because of it.”

Elrod said there was also a lot of “buzz” from businesses who hope to profit from trail activity.

“They see how breweries and restaurants along the Monon have thrived and hope we can emulate it here,” she said.

The city did some preliminary research on putting the trail next to the tracks and found it could be dangerous or impractical. Generally, the corridor needs to be about 120 feet wide. The Nickel Plate is narrower than that in most places.

“It might be tricky if you have children on bikes and people walking dogs,” Elrod said.

Meanwhile, the port authority is proceeding with plans to solicit bids for a new operator for the fair train and the museum plans to apply. But if the plans for the trail proceed, construction could begin in about a year and the operation of the fair train could be moot.

The transportation museum is a nonprofit run mostly by volunteers who restore and maintain trains and educate the public on rail history. The fair train and a Santa Claus train were its biggest money makers, providing more than $240,000 in ticket sales each per year.

The museum said it collected $705,000 in revenue in 2015 and received a $458,000 donation. “We’ve always been self-supporting,” Pressler said. “But instead they want to spend $9 million on a trail.”

 

I sure hope it works out for ITM as their line has much potential - and some of the equipment they have is very nice too. I just signed the petition and hope some of you here will do the same too:   https://www.change.org/p/save-...n-to-indianapolis-in

The latest in the saga is here: http://www.insideindianabusine...te-proposal-rankings

Such a shame what has occurred, as I have many fond memories of taking my kids to see the 587 during the State Fair, arrive and depart the station in Fishers, Indiana and ride it to the fair in the mid 1990's.

The Indiana Transportation Museum is now looking to potentially relocate to Logansport, Indiana: http://itm.org/indiana-transpo...ation-in-logansport/

 

- Rob 

The whole thing is as close to a total disaster as it can be.  I feel the notion of running trains only north from Noblesville is a loser proposition, and I am less than convinced that this Logansport idea will amount to anything either.  There are lots of people at fault here, but ultimately, the governments of Noblesville and Fishers sold their constituents down the river.  The Deputy Mayor of Noblesville was caught red handed behaving in a most unethical way, but even that revelation was unable to halt the momentum.

All you have to do is visit the gorgeous MONON TRAIL with all of its resident and tourist based economic activity to figure out why the public officials in Noblesville want to emulate that............in their minds they ARE looking after their constituents.  

Except that in this case the general public seems to be siding with keeping the railroad in place.  At the very least its a 50-50 thing, and BOTH side could get what they want, but the local governments don't seem willing to even DISCUSS the idea.  This is the typical government move of drawing the conclusion and then molding the evidence to fit the conclusion.  In Fort Wayne, they just keep hiring consultants until they get one that gives them the answer they want, and then they run out and either say, "hey, look at this great idea" as if it had never occurred to them, OR they run out and say "see we told you so, this consultant says we're right!"  As much as I would like to see the riverfront development in Fort Wayne, and by extension, Headwaters Junction, I'm already getting a little disgusted with the way this thing is getting strong armed through the process, and any dissent be ****ed.....  Neither the Richard or the Henry administration have/had much use for opinions that differ from theirs.
 

Dieselbob posted:

  In Fort Wayne, they just keep hiring consultants until they get one that gives them the answer they want, and then they run out and either say, "hey, look at this great idea" as if it had never occurred to them, OR they run out and say "see we told you so, this consultant says we're right!"

Can you be more specific?

The Harrison project is the one that I can mention.   There have been a couple other ones that I don't feel at liberty to discuss.  I'll just say that a close friend's brother in law is a major player in the local media scene. (Lots of stories strictly OFF the record).  I would also throw in the totally unrealistic cost estimates that were put out to sell the county on Citizen's Square.  If the REAL costs had been divulged, that project might have faced a LOT more opposition.  There was also a LOT of money wasted on change orders to satisfy the egos of local government employees and elected officials (the mayor included) that should have NEVER been allowed. 

Well, everyone wants cover if the whole thing goes south on them.   My view is that if you can make a strong enough case for what you're doing and get the support of the public, you don't need the consultants.  As I said, I support the riverfront development, but I have already seen too much of the "we're going to do this, and we don't really care what your concerns are."  The vote on the tax increase for it was just one example.  The skids in favor of that were so well greased, the public never stood a chance.  In my opinion, that should have gone up for a public vote.  By the way, what's up with the city now wanting the Pepsi property for their own deal?

nathansixchime posted:

Pepsi is hot and cold about moving - but we still have the former NKP yard and NYC yard to develop.

I was always in favor of the Omisource property because of the sheer amount of traffic that would go by it every day, and possible tie-ins with Science Central being right across the street.  My vision was always a big window in the side of the roundhouse backlit at night so that every car going down Clinton Street would look in and see a big shiny 765, or maybe even towed outside for a few hours and lit with floodlights announcing to the world "Here we are".  Developing that property would seem to make the zoo train routing easier too.   I had kind of grown used to the Pepsi property proposal too, but I wonder if long term that might have caused issues with more local residents.  West Wayne would seem to be a last resort just because of it being so out of the way.  I know plenty of lifetime Fort Wayne residents who have no idea that area is even there.  I can't imagine why Pepsi would want to stay downtown though.  That is a TERRIBLE location for what they do.  This isn't just a holdup for more money is it?

There's actually been a site selected for them near the 469 Interchange and a building they could use. The land they're on now has been appraised between 2-3 million, but the cost to move is pretty significant. Depending on who you speak to at Pepsi, it just changes too often for us to be able to plan. The Omnisource site may eventually - after everything - be where it lands, but we've also included West Wayne as part of our request with Norfolk Southern.

steam fan posted:

Mayor Henry and city council do whatever they please. Apparently not enough residents are that unhappy with the whole thing, as they always seem to get re-elected. 

While Allen County is heavily Republican, the City of Fort Wayne is pretty solidly Democrat, and I doubt we'll ever see another Republican mayor.    Even the last Republican mayor was a pedal to the metal lefty.  Council seems to take a go-along to get along approach.  Nobody there seems to have much concern with losing their job.

NathanSixChime, have you or anybody at the Fort Wayne Society have discussed about possibly buying NKP 587 and finishing her restoration? I honestly think she would be a good candidate for running when NKP 765 goes down for her overhaul. I would love to see number 587 back in action. I've never seen it before unless you count the home videos people have made and the 587 movie that was made circa 2000, I think.

FutureRail Productions

"Come and ride the little train, that is rollin' down the tracks to the Junction! Forget about your cares. It is time to relax at the Junction!"

Well the FWRHS has a LOT on their plate right now, and already have ONE Mikado to fix up.  Right now they wouldn't even have room to keep #587 inside, so that would be an issue.  If all else fails with the ITM, I would like to think that the FWRHS could be a last resort safe haven for #587, but I hope it doesn't get to that point.  The cost to move the engine ANYWHERE is going to be expensive, and that money has to come from somewhere.

nathansixchime posted:

There's actually been a site selected for them near the 469 Interchange and a building they could use. The land they're on now has been appraised between 2-3 million, but the cost to move is pretty significant. Depending on who you speak to at Pepsi, it just changes too often for us to be able to plan. The Omnisource site may eventually - after everything - be where it lands, but we've also included West Wayne as part of our request with Norfolk Southern.

It's ALWAYS good to have a plan B and even C on something like this.  I'm just surprised Pepsi would drag their feet on this.  Coca Cola moved out of the inner city at least 25 years ago, and they were less land locked then Pepsi is.   I didn't think the Pepsi facility was much more than offices and a warehouse. I'm surprised moving would be THAT big of a deal.   I have confidence that wherever HJ ends up, it will be first class, and I want it to be out where the whole world can see it, but you have to play the hand you are dealt.

Dieselbob posted:

Well the FWRHS has a LOT on their plate right now, and already have ONE Mikado to fix up.  Right now they wouldn't even have room to keep #587 inside, so that would be an issue.  If all else fails with the ITM, I would like to think that the FWRHS could be a last resort safe haven for #587, but I hope it doesn't get to that point.  The cost to move the engine ANYWHERE is going to be expensive, and that money has to come from somewhere.

Really? I didn't know. Which Mikado are they restoring?

FutureRail Productions

"Come and ride the little train, that is rollin' down the tracks to the Junction! Forget about your cares. It is time to relax at the Junction!"

FutureRail Productions posted:

NathanSixChime, have you or anybody at the Fort Wayne Society have discussed about possibly buying NKP 587 and finishing her restoration? I honestly think she would be a good candidate for running when NKP 765 goes down for her overhaul. I would love to see number 587 back in action. I've never seen it before unless you count the home videos people have made and the 587 movie that was made circa 2000, I think.

I think it's safe to say we aren't interested in 587 - especially because it's a little distasteful to speculate on poaching another organization's equipment just because they're in a challenging situation.

FutureRail Productions posted:

Really? I didn't know. Which Mikado are they restoring?

As for the other Mikado...

We're providing technical and mechanical oversight to the project, so only a small team from FWRHS will be working on 624 throughout the near future. The 765 is and will always remain the FWRHS' focus, but we've gotten creative in figuring out how to make progress elsewhere. For instance...

 

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