No Pictures in For Sale posts...

I have purchased many items that did not have any photos.
All of these were listed as new in original box. Every thing has been great.
If a number and description is listed, you can look that up and see if it the correct item, also ask questions.
Many sellers who do not post pictures are explicit on stating any or all flaws.
I always look at their profile page to see when they joined the forum, will not buy from a newbie.

I think of this forum as a community, where they are just a modeler like you and need to trade or dispose of their older trains. 

Maybe I trust too much, but I never bought a bridge yet

 

RonH

Don't Junk it, Make it Work!

 

marcstrains posted:

I work full time and keep all my trains in a storage unit 20 mins from my house. I don't have the time to go to storage find the item, bring it home take photos, list it, on the whim someone is interested. When I list stuff for sale I describe it accurately and if someone is seriously interested then I will invest the time. Thank you

Well, none of that is the buyers problem.  The easier it is for the buyer, the easier you make a sale.

I have bought and sold both on Ebay and internet forums for 15 years.  Pictures are the first thing I want period.  Now, if brand new never out of the box, I may adjust that take, but when I get it, it better really never be out of the box.

Next item is people wanting PayPal FF, where the buyer has no protection.  I skip those too, which has been many on this forum.

Many sellers fail to realize it's a two way transaction, too many explanations of "I'm just......" used as excuses.  It can't just be a good deal for the seller.

Tinplate Art posted:

Another perpective: I am a long-time forum member since 2001, and would hope my REPUTATION would precede me. At 76, I have had some "issues" with digital transfers of images, both in e-mails and on this forum. Over many years I have sold a plethora of items without photos with absolutely NO complaints. I have often lost money with my careful packing and insuring all products sold. I always list the product numbers and a detailed description of condition and usage history. My REPUTATION is very important to me and being a TCA member for some 37 years (1974-84 and 1991-present), I abide by their transaction rules, and have had no complaints, and more often, usually praise! I also list my cell phone number in my ads as well as my e-mail address, and am willing to answer all queries about my merchandise. Some of the "cranky" responders on this thread may have actually missed out on some good deals by being "photo snobs"! LOL!

I would not worry one bit about purchasing anything from you, picture or no. Your word is as good as gold as far as I am concerned.

Brian White

scale rail posted:

Can't think why anyone wouldn't put pictures on the for sale forum. First of all it draws attention to your item. Never seen E-bay seller try to sell something with no pics. Don

Don, At least one picture per listing is required.  A few times the picture is not of the item, but it is a picture.  John in Lansing, ILL

Here is my concern on a engine new in box, sealed. We hear of this from all the manufactures. I got this in and this was broke or that was broke. Okay now I buy your engine new in box and because it's over a year old the manufacture will not fix it. I know it's rare but it does happen, That's why I rather have a engine that has been tested and if possible retested before shipping. To be honest, Ebay I don't worry about that as they will back you if it happens. I don't think anybody would have a knowledge of it being broken if it is sealed but it puts both in a unwanted situation. 

But for me to consider something I want the following

Tested yes/no

If possible stock number by manufacture or at least the number on it. 

Pictures of the item in post or thru email prefer in post. ( E-bay requires this. ) 

I do not see theses as a angry posts from anyone. These are good folks explaining what they want to consider a item for sale. 

 

Bill

FWIW, Here’s a new in the sealed box(picture of box) purchase of the Penn Red Arrow cars I wanted for a Tuscan K4.  Beautiful cars. Zinc pest.  Had to buy six new trucks that were from the half price sale in Concord.  Another $75 plus shipping, The diner was the same way, another two trucks, + ship.  Sellers were accomodating to a certain extent, but how do you ever know?  Perhaps I was not as knowledgeable of the condition during these model years that it was a problem. 

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The ones that make me do a double take are the ones that want big $$$ for an item and all they show is a picture of the box, or plastic still on top of the item.

The "rules" for mint ought to allow for taking the item out of the box to photograph and to inspect for damage.

MODELING SOUTHEAST VIRGINIA

Having A Blast Running BPRC

For me, Rockymountaineer excelled at posting for sale items.  Pictures, descriptions, and well maintained threads.  Always looked forward to the pre York threads.  Never purchased anything but he did a fantastic job on the Buy Sell board.

I know pictures are not for everyone but for me it does help me decide on a purchase.  I see Tinplate Art's point but for me I prefer to see the item I am buying if at all possible before the purchase.  While it's no guarantee it does help.

Marty Eibeck

 

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cpowell posted:

Not to hijack the thread or start a flame war. If an item is taken out of the box for pictures, is it still "mint"?

Charlie

By the strixtest definition in the toy train collecting world: NO.

But from a more realistic/pragmatic perspective in today's world of toy trains: Probably YES, unless the potential buyer insists otherwise.

RonH said it best: Many of us long-time OGR Forum members consider this interchange of ideas a community worthy of trust. We live in a largely cynical and uncertain world, yet it is nice to actually have a place where people can have a measure of trust and good will. If I am an idealist, so be it, but I believe I am not alone.

vita sine litteris mors est  (Seneca)

MartyE posted:

For me, Rockymountaineer excelled at posting for sale items.  Pictures, descriptions, and well maintained threads.  Always looked forward to the pre York threads.  Never purchased anything but he did a fantastic job on the Buy Sell board.........

Very true.  I hope Dave is doing OK, I see he hasn't been on the forum in a while.  He may have a bit of a leg up in terms of taking photos for his for sale posts, I think he does professional photography!  

I purchased a few small items from him when he was housecleaning a while back.  The pics and good attention to his listings was definitely helpful.

-Dave

Tinplate Art posted:

RonH said it best: Many of us long-time OGR Forum members consider this interchange of ideas a community worthy of trust. We live in a largely cynical and uncertain world, yet it is nice to actually have a place where people can have a measure of trust and good will. If I am an idealist, so be it, but I believe I am not alone.

It was never about trust with me and pictures/part #s. It was just trying to figure out what the thing was.

Chuck TCA LCCA ARRL BMWMOA

Chuck: We will have to agree to disagree! ☺ My ads have always had detailed and accurate descriptions of my items, with or without photos. I would include the product number and the condition and type of use. I would even argue my descriptions usually included the type of transformer used and the fact that I never used switches, information a photo would not reveal. I never had a dissatisfied buyer to date with dozens of OGR ads over a period of over a dozen years. Just luck? I think not!  Art Poole TCA 91-33599

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CincinnatiWestern posted:

In selling a fair bit lately, all with lots of photos, I have had two possible buyer this week ask me to remove a brand new engine, power it up, and record a video of sound set and show that the smoke unit works, as well as the lights, etc. On something used, sure, but on a new in the box engine this felt a bridge to far.

Buy / Don't Buy -- choice is yours. Most of us have pre-ordered sight unseen, bought from stock photos dealer have on their sites, etc.

You could always suggest that they come over. 

Regards,

Eric S.

Saline, MI

Gandalf97 posted:

Seriously though...   The point about reputation is valid.  There are several members that I would buy from sight unseen based on their word.

I don’t think anyone would argue that but sometimes seeing an item for me will make me more prone to impulse buy. All points are valid but that’s why I like a picture. I see it and will want it. 

Marty Eibeck

 

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Gandalf97 posted:

Seriously though...   The point about reputation is valid.  There are several members that I would buy from sight unseen based on their word.

Same here. There's also been times when I've shipped an item before I've received payment.  

Wild Mary (AKA Nick) Retired & "Riding The Wild Mary"

 

 

Forum Member Since 24 Sept. 2004

 

    I'd ask for test, but with reply with repect if it was denied.

  It would definitely have an impact a sale, and more so than a picture. If there is even a single circuit board on the engine I'd want at least a conventional test (even by jumper)  I'd do the same brand new from a dealer.

   I "get" the white gloves if your trying to claim a C-10. But I run vs collect for the best condition I can find, and the recognition of ownership of such.

   If it doesn't run I feel I've bought a brick. 

All that said, pictures sell better. Even a drawing

"Still trying to not shoot my eye out"

 

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wild mary posted:
Gandalf97 posted:

Seriously though...   The point about reputation is valid.  There are several members that I would buy from sight unseen based on their word.

Same here. There's also been times when I've shipped an item before I've received payment.  

Exactly.

Regards,

Eric S.

Saline, MI

Tinplate Art posted:

The "seeing is believing" crowd and the "my reputation" folks ALL have expressed some valid points. In the final analysis, buyers will make their choices based on their own comfort level, and that is as it should be!  ☺

Absolutely.  I never meant to disparage the "seeing is believing" crowd.  I can certainly understand that sentiment.

Regards,

Eric S.

Saline, MI

RE: Forum reputation - I too have  occasionally shipped before receiving payment, and I have accepted personal checks from members that I have known from previous transactions or their longtime forum participation. The OGR Forum largely has a great bunch of folks who frequently share their expertise and are generally well mannered and trustworthy. That has been my experience on this forum for 17 years now! I have also been a member of the TCA for a  total of 37 years and have met some very nice folks in that community as well.  ☺

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