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Norfolk and Western 0 Scale List

CN christopher N&WOGR Forum Member

My intention for this thread is to create a fairly comprehensive list of 0 Scale N&W products that are good scale representations of the prototype during the steam era ending in 1960. (Initially this list was going to include all eras but it proved to be a bit expansive.) The products for the list can be 2 rail or 3 rail and can be made of anything. I can think of a handful of 0 scale N&W enthusiasts on the site and maybe we can benefit from this is some way.

 

The way I see it working is I will create categories at the beginning of this thread. These categories will correspond to categories created at the N&W Historical Society website. I plan to list the class, numbers, and years of operation of the prototype, then list the importers of the model, maybe an item number, a few notes and maybe some photos.

 

Any discussion about the items can follow after the main categories. I don't know everything that has been made for the N&W in 0 scale so input will be appreciated. I know very little about the diesel era and diesels in general, so any input regarding them will need to be done by others. I can update, correct and add information to the list over time if others have suggestions. I don't plan to do it all at once and will post as time permits. I'll try to get to suggestions as soon as I can.

 

Here is a link to the N&W Historical Society archives which have many drawings and photographs listed by subject and class numbers.

http://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/

 

Here is a link to the Virginia Tech Norfolk and Western Image base. Many N&W photos are listed here by subject and class numbers.

http://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/br...?folio_ID=/trans/nss

 

Please note that features of the prototype including lettering and paint changed over the years. If you are modeling a specific era, then you should ask or look more into period specific details.

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N&W 0 Scale Steam Locomotives and Tenders

 

 

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Class A 2-6-6-4

 

1210-1234  1943-1959, 1218 excursion service

• Precision Scale

• Lionel

• Williams (See comments following the category lists regarding boiler dimensions and odd steam pipes.)

 

Tenders for these models date from around 1945 to 1959. Cast pilots date from the mid to late 40s to 1959. Coal boards date from the early 1950's.

 

 

1235-1237  1949-1959

• MTH  

 

Due to the tender MTH uses which differs from the earlier A's, their rendition of the 1218 is probably better reflected in this category. Some minor fixes would be to move the bell to the right, and tender trucks from the 1238-1242 MTH models would replace the trucks provided.

 

 

1238-1242  1949-1959

• MTH

 

This version includes lightweight rods and essentially the correct tender. The bell needs to be moved to the right. 

 

 

 

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Class J 4-8-4

 

600-604  1941-1959

Multiple bearing crosshead guides.

Tandem siderods.

Rolltop tender back deck.

Built with spoked pilot wheels but replaced with solid pilot wheels in 1950's.

Tender trucks differ from later 611-613 builds.

 

Use Class J 600 1

Photo courtesy of Virginia Tech Image Base

 

• Overland

• MTH (Flat top on tender deck is incorrect)

 

• MTH (note difference between 604 and 612 images in crosshead guides and tender trucks)

J604 IMG_6076 LR

J604IMG_6077 LR

 

 

 

 

 

605-610 Non-streamlined Class J-1  1943-January 1945

These engines had unique looking wide siderods.

 

 Use Class J1 606 1

Photo courtesy of Virginia Tech Image Base

 

• Overland

• MTH (Flat top tender deck is incorrect)

 

The prototype engines were streamlined and reclassified Class J in January 1945.

 

 

605-610 Streamlined Class J  January 1945-1959

Streamlined and fitted with lightweight rods in Jan. 1945.

Alligator crosshead guides.

Tandem siderods.

Rolltop tender back deck.

Built with spoked pilot wheels but replaced with solid pilot wheels in early 1950's.

Tender trucks differ from later 611-613 builds.

 

Use Class J 610 1

Photo courtesy of Virginia Tech Image Base

 

• Sunset

• Lionel

• MTH (Flat top tender deck is incorrect)

• Max Gray imported this version or other version?

 

 

 

611-613  1950-1959; 611 into excursion service

Alligator crosshead guides.

Built with tandem siderods. Removed from 611 after accident in 1956.

Flat top back tender deck.

Solid pilot wheels.

Different tender trucks than those used on 600-610

• Overland (also imported an excursion version of 611)

• Lionel

• MTH

• Max Gray imported this version or other version?

• Williams (Engine is stretched out a few scale feet)

 

 

• MTH (note difference between 604 and 612 images in crosshead guides and tender trucks)

J612 LR IMG_6185

 

 J612 LR IMG_6187

 

 

 

 

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Class K2 4-8-2 Non-streamlined (116-125) built in 1919 and then streamlined in 1945/46-1959 USRA heavy Mountain delivered with 10,000 gallon tenders

 

Use Class K2 121 1

Photo courtesy of Virginia Tech Image Base

 

• Toby? (Is the brass Mountain imported by Toby a USRA Heavy?) Would represent the as built K2 until 1923.

• Lionel? (Did Lionel import a USRA heavy Mountain?) Would represent the as built K2 until 1923.

 

Class K2a 4-8-2 (126-137) were delivered with 15,000 gallon tenders but were near copies of the K2. 

 

After 1923, K2 engines received 15,000 gallon tenders. K2 and K2a Engines were upgraded to include BL feed water heaters to left side. Air pump was moved to the right side and added to the one already there. Around 1930 all K2 and K2a engines received 16,000 gallon tenders.

 

Streamlining was applied to all K2 and K2a engines from 1945-1946.

 

 

 

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K2 4-8-2 Streamlined (116-125) built in 1919 and then streamlined in 1945/46-1959, K2a 4-8-2 Streamlined (123-137) built in 1923 and then streamlined in 1945/46-1959; Solid pilot wheels replaced spoked wheels in early 50s.

 

Use Class K2a 129 Stream 1

Photo courtesy of Virginia Tech Image Base

 

 

• Sunset/ 3rd Rail

 

 

 

 

 

 

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K3 4-8-2 (200-209) 1926-1945; 200-205 to RF&P in 1944, 206-209 to Denver Rio Grande and Western in 1945.

 

Use Class K3 203 1

Photo courtesy of Virginia Tech Image Base

 

• Sunset/ 3rd Rail

 

 

 

 

 

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Class M 4-8-0 (375-499) 1906-1958

• Sunset/ 3rd Rail (2 variations representing later years of engine service late 40's-50's)

 

Variation 1

Centered headlight

Check valves on top of boiler

12,000 gallon tender

Road pilot installed

 

Variation 2

High headlight

Check valves on sides of boiler

10,000 gallon tender

Shields on sides above running board

Footboard pilot installed

 

All models imported with interchangeable foot board and road pilots.

 

 

• Ed Reutling built 7 or 8 M Class models for various customers

 

 

 

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Class S1a 0-8-0 (200-2049) 1951-1960

• Precision Scale

 

 

 

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Class Y3 2-8-8-2 (2000-2049) 1919-1958

• Sunset/ 3rd Rail (18,000 gallon tender)

• Lionel (18,000 gallon tender)

 

 

 

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Class Y3a 2-8-8-2 (2050-2079) 1923-1959

• Overland (18,000 gallon tender)

 

 

 

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Class Y6a 2-8-8-2 (2155-2170) 1942-1960

Built with 22,000 gallon tender. In 1947 the tenders were rebuilt and streamlined, and the sand pipes from the domes were covered. Coal boards on the tender started to be added in the early 1950's.

• Kohs 

• Sunset/ 3rd Rail

 

Both models are representative of the 1950's prototype. 

 

 

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Class Y6b 2-8-8-2 (2171-2200) 1948-1960

Coal boards started to be added in the early 1950's.

 

Use Class Y6b 2197 1

Photo courtesy of Virginia Tech Image Base

 

• Kohs (coal boards can be put in or left off the tender)

• Sunset/ 3rd Rail (no coal boards)

• Max Gray (no coal boards. Non-jacketed smoke box I think? This is appropriate on numbers 2177 and 2188 only)

• Lionel (coal boards on tender)

• MTH (coal boards on tender. Non-jacketed smoke box I think? This is appropriate on numbers 2177 and 2188 only)

 

 

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Class Z1a 2-6-6-2 (1315-1489) 1912-1953

• Precision Scale (15,000 gallon tender)

 

 

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Class Z1b 2-6-6-2 (various numbers within the group 1315-1489) 1912-1958

Modernized Z1a engines upgraded over many years.

• Precision Scale (16,000 gallon tender)

Z1b1363 IMG_6984 LRZ1bT1363 IMG_7016

 

 

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2300 Steam Turbine Electric 6-6-6-6 (Jawn Henry) 1954-1957 

• Sunset/ 3rd Rail

 

 

 

 

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N&W 0 Scale Steam Era Passenger and Head End Cars to 1960

 

 

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Baggage Express

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BEj (110-124) 1926-1967 at least; 64'5" over buffer  Windows on each side were eventually blocked out. Steel doors with a single window eventually replaced the early wooden doors.

Use BEj 1

Photo courtesy of Virginia Tech Image Base

 

 

• Weaver (similar, PRR designation B60)

BEj MS IMG_5939 LR

 

• Precision Scale (similar, NYC double door baggage car)

• Atlas 0 (similar, Atlas Trainman Line baggage)

 

 

 

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BEk (125-134) 1929-1967 at least; 63'7" over buffer.  Steel doors with a single window eventually replaced the early wooden doors.

 

Use BEk

Photo courtesy of Virginia Tech Image Base

 

 

• Weaver (accurate)

BEk IMG_5941 LR

 

• Custom Brass (close, PRR designation B60b) Porthole windows need to be changed to square windows on the baggage doors. Roof vents need to be changed.

B60b IMG_5957 LR

 

 

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BEm (1337-1345) 1913-1967 at least; 74'1" over buffer

 

Use BEm

Photo courtesy of Virginia Tech Image Base

 

 

• Walthers Kit? (similar)

BEm EG IMG_5958 LR

 

 

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EG (1300-1317) 1913-1967 at least; 74'1" over buffer

 

Use EG 2

Photo courtesy of Virginia Tech Image Base

 

 

• Walthers Kit? (similar)

BEm EG IMG_5958 LR

 

 

 

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XXX Golden Gate imported a baggage car as part of a 3 car head end set. The other cars were a baggage/passenger and a mail car. I need more information on this set.

 

 

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XXX Weaver imported a PS1 lettered as an express car but has nmerous detail discrepancies. The prototype was home built.

 

Use Express Car

Photo courtesy of Virginia Tech Image Base

 

 

 

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Baggage/Passenger

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BPd (1508-1512) 1917-1967 at least; 77'1" over buffer

 

• Precision Scale (close)

BPd IMG_5914 LR

 

 

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BPe (600-605) 1927-1967 at least; 70' over buffer

• All Nation Kit

• JC Models Silver Sides Kit

• Atlas 0 (similar, Atlas 0 Trainman Line baggage coach)

 

 

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BPg (350-369) 1934-1949; 64'6" over buffer. Purchased from PRR. Porthole windows on   the ends of the cars.

 

Use BPg 2

Photo courtesy of Virginia Tech Image Base

 

• Custom Brass? pretty sure

• Sunset? pretty sure

 

 

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XXX Golden Gate imported a baggage combine as part of a 3 car head end set. The other cars were a baggage and a mail car. I need more information on this set.

 

 

 

 

 

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Baggage/Mail

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BMf (1208-1221) 1918-1967 at least; 74'1" over buffer

 

Use BMf

Photo courtesy of Virginia Tech Image Base

 

 

• Oriental (similar) Great Northern prototype

BMf IMG_5909 LR 

 

 

 

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Postal Mail

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M1 (90-98) 1937-1967 at least; 64'5" over buffer

 

Use M1

Photo courtesy of Virginia Tech Image Base

 

 

• Weaver

M1 IMG_5952 LR

 

• American Standard Kit

 

 

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XXX Golden Gate imported a postal mail car as part of a 3 car head end set. The other cars were a baggage and a baggage/passenger car. I need more information on this set.

 

 

 

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Mail Storage

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MS (1400-1424) 1927-1967 at least; 66'10" over buffer

 

Use MS

Photo courtesy of Virginia Tech Image Base

 

 

• Weaver (similar, PRR designation B60)

BEj MS IMG_5939 LR

 

• Atlas 0 (similar, Atlas Trainman Line baggage)

 

 

 

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Coaches

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Pg (1635-1673) 1916-1964 at least; 80' over buffer

 

Use PG 4

Photo courtesy of Virginia Tech Image Base

 

 

• Precision Scale (similar, NYC coach)

Pg IMG_5913 LR

 

• All Nation Kit (similar, NYC coach)

PG IMG_5919 LR

 

• Golden Gate (similar, made from a modified P70 mold.)

 

 

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Ph (700-717) 1926-1967 at least; 70'1" over buffer

 

Use PH 2

Photo courtesy of Virginia Tech Image Base

 

 

• All Nation Kit

• JC Models Silver Sides Kit (car pictured in progress)

PH IMG_5917 LR

 

 

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Pk (475-482) 1934-1949; 64'6" over buffer. Purchased from PRR. Porthole windows on the ends of the cars.

 

Use Pk 1

 

Use Pk 2

Photo courtesy of Virginia Tech Image Base

 

• Custom Brass? pretty sure

• Sunset? pretty sure

 

 

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Pm Lightweight (1720-1734) 1941-1967 at least; 85'. Initially used on Powhatan Arrow train and put into general service when 1949 set arrived. Typically seen on Pocahontas after 1949.

 

Use Pm 4

Photo courtesy of Virginia Tech Image Base

 

• American Lightweight Kit

 

 

 

 

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Powhatan Arrow Cars

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P1 Crew Coach (501-502) 1949-1964 at least; 85'

Use P1 1

 

P2 Compartment Coach (511-512) 1949-1964 at least; 85'

Use P2 2

 

P3 Coach (531-540) 1949-1964 at least; 85'

Use P3 1

 

P4 Lounge-Tavern-Observation (581-582) 1949-1958. Both cars were sold to Saudi Arabia

Use P4 2

 

D1 Diner (491-492) 1949-1964 at least; 85'

Use D1 1

Photos courtesy of Virginia Tech Image Base

 

 

• Overland

• Sunset Models

• Golden Gate (announced in 2014)

• American Lightweight Kits

 

 

 

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Diners

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D1 (493, named General William Mahone; 494, named Fredrick J. Kimball) 1949-1964 at least; 85' These were purchased at the same time as the diners in the Powhatan Arrow sets. They are the same as the Arrow cars except they did not have the Arrow logo.

Use D1 1

 

• Overland (close, lettered for Powhatan Arrow)

• Sunset Models

• American Standard Kits

 

 

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XXX Golden Gate advertised imported? a heavyweight diner. From what I recall it was not very close to N&W's De Diner but it is a heavyweight diner and there really isn't much else available. I need more information on this car.

 

 

 

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Pullman Heavyweights

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12-1 12 Section, 1 drawing room (plan 3410) 1930's-1960's? Post 1948 names on N&W brown cars were Galax, Lowry, Sunstar Rose, and Vulcan. Post 1948 name that remained on Pullman Green car was Chilhowie

 

Use Pullman 12-1 1

Photo courtesy of Virginia Tech Image Base

 

• Sunset (Pullman Green)

Pullman 12-1IMG_5950 LR

 

• Golden Gate (Pullman Green and Norfolk and Western brown)

• Precision Scale

• American Standard Kits?

 

 

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XXX Golden Gate advertised ?imported? a heavyweight observation car. From what I recall it was not really close to the N&W business cars but there is nothing else available in that regard. Need more information on this car.

 

 

 

 

 

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Lightweight Sleepers

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S1 10-6  10 Roomette, 6 Bedroom (20 named cars to fill in) 1949-60's. 85' Budd built with fluted roof and ribs on sides. Cars sold to PRR in 60's.

 

Use S1 12

Photo courtesy of Virginia Tech Image Base

 

 

• MAC Shops Kit

S1 IMG_5922 LR

 

 

 

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S2 10-6  10 Roomette, 6 Bedroom (McDowell County, Buchanan County, Sussex County) 1949-64 at least; 85' Pullman smooth roof and smooth sides. Pennsy style stripes above and below windows is accurate.

 

• Golden Gate

S2 IMG_5907 LR

 

• American Lightweight Kit?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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N&W 0 Scale Steam Era Freight Cars to 1960

 

 

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Bk (40000-40603) 1919-1958 at least; 40' USRA single sheathed wood, outside braced.

 

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 Photo courtesy of Virginia Tech Image Base

 

• PAC Limited

• Atlas 0

• MTH

• Others?

 

 

• PAC Limited

Use BK image 

 Photo courtesy of Brad Andonian

 

• Atlas 0

Even first digits on Atlas product numbers are 3 rail, odd are 2 rail.

Atlas 6461/7461  N&W 120041,120086,120255,120379

January 2002

Atlas 8689/9689 Four Road Numbers

Estimated delivery was April 2007.

 

• MTH  

 MTH 20-93371 N&W 120044, 120049

MTH 20-90386 N&W 120050, 120058, 120057, 120054, 120062, 120065

MTH 20-90386 N&W 120060, 120052, 120075, 120078, 120073, 120071

 The MTH USRA boxcars appeared in the 2007 Vol. II catalog.  They were made in three rail only but are designed for conversion to 2 rail trucks and the underframes have Kadee mounting pads.

 

 

 

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BPa (41000-41999) 1925-1958 at least; 40' door-and-a-half, steel. Welded half door in 1932-34. New single door in 1945-47.

 

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• Precision Scale (PRR designation X28a?)

BPa IMG_5929 LR

 

 

 

 

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B1 Round Roof (46000-46799, 47000-47499) 1936-1958 at least; 40' single door, steel.

 

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• Chooch Kit

B1 IMG_5927 LR

 

• Lionel (close) (PRR designation X31) There is a sill at the top of each side that is incorrect for the N&W. The round roof should meet flush with the sides.

• Custom Brass (close) (PRR designation X31) There is a sill at the top of each side that is incorrect for the N&W. The round roof should meet flush with the sides.

 

 

 

 

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B2 Round Roof (49200-49299) 1936-1958 at least; 40' double door, steel.

 

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• Chooch Kit (PRR designation X31b?)

 

• Max Gray (PRR designation X31b?)

B2 2 IMG_5934 LR

 

• Lionel?(Close) (PRR designation X31b?) There is a sill at the top of each side that is incorrect for the N&W. The round roof should meet flush with the sides.

 

 

 

 

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B3 Round Roof (52000-52299) 1936-1958 at least; 50' double door, steel.

  

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• Custom Brass (PRR designation X32?)

B3 IMG_5925 LR

 

 

 

 

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B1b (numbers) 1955-1964 at least; 40' double door, steel. Rebuild of B1 eliminating the round roof.

• Atlas 0 (Similar) The Atlas model has a 1930s/40s style rectangular panel roof.  The mid 1950s N&W rebuilds had diagonal panel roofs.

 

Atlas 8721/9721 two road numbers June 2010

 

 

 

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B8 (44000-44999) 1951-1964 at least; 40' Pullman Standard, single door, steel.

 

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Photo courtesy of Virginia Tech Image Base

 

 

• Weaver

B8 IMG_5963 LR

 

• Lionel (Announced in 2014 and catalogue image featured Youngstown doors but they were delivered with PS doors. These were correct for some time period but every image I've found of the earlier timeframe includes Youngstown doors. If anyone has an image of the PS doors before 1954, please tell me. Until then, I'll be replaceing the PS doors with Atlas Youngstown doors.)

B8 IMG_6075 LR

Below is the Lionel car with the door replaced by an old Atlas Boxcar door.

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• Precision Scale

• Others?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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B9 (52700-52799) 1955-1964 at least; 50' Pullman Standard double door, steel.

 

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Photo courtesy of Virginia Tech Image Base

 

 

• Atlas 0   Atlas 8407/9407 two road numbers December 2004

 

 

  

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B9a (54800-54849) 1958-1964 at least; 50' Pullman Standard 50' single door 

 

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• Atlas 8880/9880 two road numbers November 2009

 

 

 

 • Pecos River Plastic? probably not. Will give a little more time to make sure. 

 

 

 

 

 

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N&W Diesel Era ONLY Post 1960 Box Cars:

 

 

B139 (numbers) Year-Year.

 

Atlas has also decorated their 60' Berwick boxcars for the N&W B139s.

 

Atlas 8623/9623 eight road numbers

(the last 4 car numbers  Atlas imported the manufacture painted in black. These car numbers were never in black Paint, Only in boxcar red.

 

 Atlas 8633/9633 eight road numbers 

 

 

 

 

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FD (32000-32249) 1913-1958 at least;  38'8" steel; 80 cars converted to pulpwood cars in 1938  

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 • Red Caboose (heavily modified)

FD IMG_9378 LR

 

• Weaver (close)

FD IMG_5943 LR

 

 

 

 

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FE (32250-32499) 1926-1964 at least; 42' steel

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• MTH (modified)

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• PAC Limited (similar)

FE IMG_9702 LR 

 

• MTH (similar)

FE IMG_5945 LR

 

 

 

 

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F3 (32800-32849) 1954-1964 at least; 50' steel

 

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• Overland (close)

• Others?

 

 

 

 

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G3 (70500-70524) G3a (70525-70549) 1941-1964 at least; 65'

 

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• Precision Scale (close) (PRR designation G26)

G3 IMG_5931 LR

 

 

 

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G4 Composite (70600-70699) 1943-1950; 52'

 

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• Pecos River Brass

• PAC Limited

• Weaver

 

 

 

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G4 Steel (70600-70699) 1951-1964 at least; 52' rebuild of composite gon

 

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• Pecos River Brass

G4 IMG_5938 LR

 

• PAC Limited? not sure

 

 

 

 

 

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HC1 (70210-70219) 1937-1964 at least

 

• Precision Scale # 15583-1 (Factory Painted N&W; Duck Yoo Korea) (PRR designation H30)

 

• Weaver

HC1 IMG_5899 LR

 

 

 

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HC3 (70220-70254) 1939-1960 at least

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• Lionel post-war Lionel 6446 covered hoppers (similar) The detail is pretty sparse and heavy and there are some serious diminsional discrepancies here but it is a representation of the prototype. 

HC3 6446%202 LR 

 

 

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HC5 (71000-71149) 1953-1964 at least; 70 ton, Greenville Built

• Overland (close) O-0734 Overland O scale 70 ton covered hopper is an ACF model with open sides at the center.  N&W HC-5 cars were Greenville cars which are slightly different than the ACF cars.

• Atlas 0  (close) also did and ACF model but not in N&W paint that I know of

 

 

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HC7 (numbers) 1956-1988 at least

 

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• Lionel—Lionel made their two bay 70 ton PS-2 in a single car and a two pack as the 6-17040 and 6-11854

• Overland? pretty sure 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sk (29000-29697) 1923-1958 at least; built from BL and BLa box cars

 

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  • Lionel 6-17712 (Similar) Although it has an incorrect truss pattern and ends the stock car is numbered for an N&W SK class car and the overall dimensions are correct.

  

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HL (22000-25999, 38000-39999, 56500-59999, 67000-69999) 1927-1956  55 ton, two bay   rebuilt into H9 cars starting in 1950

 

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• Atlas 0

• Precision Scale

• Yoder

• Parri

• International

 

 

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HU (5000-6999, 9000-12999, 74000-77267) HUa (20000-21999) 1923-1943  70 ton, 4 bay  Some rebuilt as H3 cars

 

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• Precision Scale

HU IMG_5961 LR

 

 

 

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H1 (33000-37999, 71000-72499, 74000-77267) 1929-1952; MOW service after 1952  50 ton, 2 bay flat bottom

 

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• Precision Scale

H1 IMG_5900 LR

 

 

 

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H2 (78000-79499) 1942-1971  70 ton, 3 bay

 

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• Precision Scale

• Yoder

• Max Gray

 

 

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H2a (15500-25499, 70140-70159) 1949-1995 70 ton, 3 bay

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• Yoder

 

 

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H2a Split Side (15500-25499, 70140-70159) 1949-1995 70 ton, 3 bay

 

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• Precision Scale

• Yoder

 

 

 

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H3 Split Side (3000-15452, 27000-28420) 1942-1966 70 ton, 3 bay  Rebuilds of HU

 

• Yoder

H3 Split IMG_5902 LR

 

 

 

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H4 Composite (30000-30999) 1944-1950 70 ton, 3 bay

 

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• Precision Scale

 

 

 

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H4 Steel (30000-30999, later 77000-77999) 1951-1972  70 ton, 3 bay  Rebuild of composite cars

 

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• Precision Scale

H4 Steel IMG_5936 LR

 

 

 

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H9 (6000-65814, 72500-73999, 79500-83999, 87500-87907) 1950-1983  50 ton, 2 bay  Rebuilds of HL

 

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• Yoder

 

 

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H9 Split Side (6000-65814, 72500-73999, 79500-83999, 87500-87907) 1950-1983  50 ton, 2 bay  Rebuilds of HL

 

• Yoder

H9 Split 2 IMG_5905 LR

 

 

 

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H10 (34000-41999) 1957-1998  70 ton, 3 bay

 

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H21 Leased from PRR in early 50's. Off of the N&W in 1952.

• Atlas 0  6 different numbers

 

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N&W Diesel Era ONLY Post 1960 Hoppers Follow:

 

H11b (3000-4699, 5000-6999, 8500-13999) 1964-1989 at least

• Lionel 6-27129

Lionel 6-27129 scale H43/H11 lettered as N&W H11b build date 10/64.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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N&W 0 Scale Steam Era Cabin Cars to 1960

 

 

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CF (518000-518380) 1914-1979  Woodside

 

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• Kohs

• Division Point (Early and late versions)

• Weaver

• Quality Craft Kit

 

 

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CG (518381-518405) 1927-1978  Steel

 

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• Kohs

• Division Point (Early and late versions)

• Weaver

 

 

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CH (518406-518425) 1940-1989 Steel

 

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• Division Point

• Sunset

 

 

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C2 (518436-518445) 1949-1989 Steel

 

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• Kohs

 

 

 

 

 

 

N&W Diesel Era ONLY Post 1960 Cabooses follow:

 

C5, C5P, C6, C6P, and C7, C7P (557500-557600) 1964-1990  Ex NKP Bay Window with and wihout antenna

• Overland (Both versions came painted in NKP but can be repainted to N&W)

 

C8 (557700-557760) 1964-1990; Ex Nickel Plate

• Atlas 0

 

C12 (559194-559208)  Ex Nickle Plate 1964-1971; Wood caboose w/square cupola marker lights

• Overland

 

C13/14 (559343-559399) Ex Nickel Plate  1964-?; War Emergency Caboose built from boxcars.

• Overland/Nickel Plate Models by Dave Vaughn

 

C17 (562700-562769)  Ex Wabash 1964-?; with square cupola

• Overland

 

C18 (562770-562859) Ex Wabash 1964-1990 at least; Streamline cupola

• Overland

 

C19 (500825-500839) Ex Pittsburgh & West Virginia 1964-1990 at least

• Weaver (Minor end window differences)

• Sunset (Minor end window differences)

• MTH?? same as above?

 

N&W CABOOSE 500833 Revised

 

 

C31 & C31P (518500-518699) 1968-1994

• Atlas 0 (See comments that follow category listings regarding cupola discrepancy, paint and numbering and C32P)

 

C34 (557980,557981,557984, and 557988) Ex Illinios Terminal  year-year; Bay Window

• Car Works (Some window need blanked out and roof walk and end ladders removed)

 

 

 

 

 

 

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N&W Hopper Cars

 

HL (I'll fill in numbers) 1927-1956  55 ton, two bay  rebuilt into H9 cars starting in 1950

Atlas 0

Precision Scale

Yoder

Parri

International

 

HU,HUa () 1923-1943  70 ton, 4 bay  Some rebuilt as H3 cars

Precision Scale

 

H1 () 1929-1952  50 ton, 2 bay flat bottom

Precision Scale

 

H2 () 1942-1971  70 ton, 3 bay 

Precision Scale

Yoder

Max Gray

 

H2a () 1949-1995 70 ton, 3 bay

Yoder

 

H2a Split Side () 1949-1995 70 ton, 3 bay

Precision Scale

Yoder

 

H3 Split Side () 1942-1966 70 ton, 3 bay  Rebuilds of HU

Yoder

 

H4 Composite () 1944-1950 70 ton, 3 bay

Precision Scale

 

H4 Steel () 1951-1972  70 ton, 3 bay  Rebuild of composite cars

Precision Scale

 

H9 () 1950-1983  50 ton, 2 bay  Rebuilds of HL

Yoder

 

H9 Split Side () 1950-1983  50 ton, 2 bay  Rebuilds of HL

Yoder

 

H10 () 1957-1998  70 ton, 3 bay

Precision Scale

 

H21 Leased from PRR in 1952?

  H21 Leased from PRR  in 1952-

  Atlas 6 different road numbers 

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/t...andampw-coal-hoppers

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Many people have stated that the Williams brass Class A had a boiler that was too narrow. I have never measured mine, but, I have no problem with the way the boiler looks. My problem with the Williams Class A is the use of the UP Challenger/Big Boy steam pipe connection at the front cylinders. I still haven't found an easy way to fix this mistake.

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Thank you for "stepping up" on this subject.I model CSX,but like you,as I follow your thread here,I think we're on the same page. How do we O scale modelers,especially those wanting to get into O scale,get manufacturers to listen to us when wanting models made? I've made repeated calls to the New Products Division at Atlas with no responses. Not getting new products makes the temptation to stay in HO all the more strong.Like you wanting models of the N&W,I'd like to see models of CSX,as well as the predecessor lines that now make up CSX,made. There's just nothing out there in these road names. To not make models of this era,is eliminating an era(s) of rail history,like saying they never existed.Does anyone want models made of the Family Lines System 4750 cu ft cvd grain hoppers,as well as Seaboard System,Chessie,& the yellow 4750 cvd hoppers created from the merger of the Atlantic Coast Line & the Seaboard Air Line?We need modern hoppers of the 5161 cvd hoppers in the HOW TOMORROW MOVES scheme,for CSX, too.I'm really into modern grain hoppers,but support other freight cars in these mentioned railroads too.Thanks to all for your inputs in advance.Alan Hummel

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My intention for this thread is to create a fairly comprehensive list of 0 Scale N&W products that are good scale representations of the prototype. The product can be 2 rail or 3 rail and can be made of anything. I can think of a handful of 0 scale N&W enthusiasts on the site and maybe we can benefit from this is some way. The way I see it working is I will create categories at the beginning of this thread. These categories will correspond to categories created at the N&W Historical Society website. I plan to list the class, numbers, and years of operation of the prototype, then list the importers of the model, maybe an item number, a few notes and maybe some photos. Any discussion about the items can follow after the main categories. I don't know everything that has been made for the N&W in 0 scale so input will be appreciated. I can update, correct and add information to the list over time if others have suggestions. I don't plan to do it all at once and will post as time permits. I'll try to get to suggestions as soon as I can. Give me a little time to add some categories below.   View This Topic
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Originally Posted by christopher N&W:

Jimmy,

 

I understand what you are saying about the Williams model. I'm trying to decide if I'll incorporate more of the model errors into the list, or just let them ride in the comments afterward. I'm glad to see your input.

Chris, that's a dilemma I always have... The O-0734 Overland O scale 70 ton covered hopper is an ACF model with open sides at the center.  They also did a closed side car which was # O-0733. 

 

From what I see the N&W HC-5 cars were Greenville cars which are slightly different than the ACF cars. 

 

Oh, and after I add something for the list I've deleted my posting as to keep the thread as clean as possible.

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TH Ted HikelOGR Forum Member

Bk (40000-40603) 1919-1958 at least; 40' USRA single sheathed wood, outside braced.

• Atlas 0

• Others?

 

Even first digits on Atlas product numbers are 3 rail, odd are 2 rail.

 

 

Atlas 6461/7461  N&W 120041,120086,120255,120379

January 2002

 

 

Atlas 8689/9689 Four Road Numbers

Estimated delivery was April 2007.

 

 

MTH 20-93371 N&W 120044, 120049

 

 

 

 

 

MTH 20-90386 N&W 120050, 120058, 120057, 120054, 120062, 120065

MTH 20-90386 N&W 120060, 120052, 120075, 120078, 120073, 120071

 

The MTH USRA boxcars appeared in the 2007 Vol. II catalog.  They were made in three rail only but are designed for conversion to 2 rail trucks and the underframes have Kadee mounting pads.

 

B1b (numbers) 1955-1964 at least; 40' double door, steel. Rebuild of B1 eliminating the round roof.

• Atlas 0

 

The Atlas model has a 1930s/40s style rectangular panel roof.  The mid 1950s N&W rebuilds had diagonal panel roofs.

 

 

Atlas 8721/9721 two road numbers June 2010

 

B9 (numbers) 1955-1964 at least; 50' Pullman Standard double door, steel.

• Atlas 0

• Pecos River Plastic? not sure

 

The Pecos River cars are models of circa 1940 AAR style cars similar to the N&W B4 class boxcars.  I do not know if Pecos River ever offered them in N&W.  Pecos River did make them in NKP.

 

B9 N&W 52700-52799

 

 

Atlas 8407/9407 two road numbers December 2004

 

Also the B9a single door PS-1s N&W 54800-54849

 

 

Atlas 8880/9880 two road numbers November 2009

 

Atlas has also decorated their 60' Berwick boxcars for the N&W B139s.

 

Atlas 8623/9623 eight road numbers

 

Atlas 8633/9633 eight road numbers

 

 

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Of the two "518XXX" cabs Ted posted above and made by Atlas, the cabs are class C32P (555XXX) with C31 (518XXX) numbers. The C32P cabs were delivered in NW red and were never blue. Atlas gets an "F" on their homework for these! 

I personally contacted Atlas about the mistake they were about to make well before these cabs hit the shelves. Needless to say, my advice fell on deaf ears...and my money is still in my pocket!

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I thought the Williams Class A was a very nice model.  My impression was that the firebox was not wide enough down by the mud ring.  Everything else looked quite good to me.  I always thought that I could fix that fairly easily, if and when one of these things just drops into my lap.

 

I doubt the purists will agree, but I am very happy with my Williams "J" - it matches my 1949 timetable art.

CN christopher N&WOGR Forum Member
Originally Posted by Big Jim:

Of the two "518XXX" cabs Ted posted above and made by Atlas, the cabs are class C32P (555XXX) with C31 (518XXX) numbers. The C32P cabs were delivered in NW red and were never blue. Atlas gets an "F" on their homework for these! 

I personally contacted Atlas about the mistake they were about to make well before these cabs hit the shelves. Needless to say, my advice fell on deaf ears...and my money is still in my pocket!

 

Jimmy,

 

What distinguishes the two? From photos in the Brewer book it looks like a C31 with the window arrangements to me. The windows on the C32P don't seem to match the Atlas car.

N nw2124OGR Forum Member

The Atlas cabooses were C31's, though not 100% correct. The Weaver B60s were not N&W but a PRR baggage with the N&W name - as the Doors are too short and the lettering is all wrong and the door windows are wrong (close but definitely not N&W. A good kitbaqsh for N&W!

The Atlas Black NW box car never existed, a fobie. Atlas stated the the manufacture screwed up the color. Just because a model has Norfolk and Western on It does not make it a N&W car! Stephen

CN christopher N&WOGR Forum Member
Originally Posted by nw2124:

The Atlas cabooses were C31's, though not 100% correct. The Weaver B60s were not N&W but a PRR baggage with the N&W name - as the Doors are too short and the lettering is all wrong and the door windows are wrong (close but definitely not N&W. A good kitbaqsh for N&W!

The Atlas Black NW box car never existed, a fobie. Atlas stated the the manufacture screwed up the color. Just because a model has Norfolk and Western on It does not make it a N&W car! Stephen

Stephen,

I appreciate the input and was hoping you'd get on board.

 

In cases where I posted the B60 car there should be a (similar) designation next to it. I understand that just because it has a paint scheme on it does not mean it is a model of anything. If you are talking about the BEk B60b then we can discuss the minor errors in the discussion here as you've done. We could nitpick every model but I'd like to keep the actual list above somewhat clean. I'll try to keep to major or obvious errors, or very simple fixes in the notes in the list. 

 

I'll eventually be posting photos so people will be able to discern the differences for themselves, and ultimately decide if it is good enough for them. 

 

My thinking regarding the paint and lettering is it is noteable, but not a showstopper as paint can be redone and fixed on the model.

 

I'll take input from people about whether these perameters sound reasonable.

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Big JimBig JimOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
Originally Posted by christopher N&W:
Originally Posted by Big Jim:

Of the two "518XXX" cabs Ted posted above and made by Atlas, the cabs are class C32P (555XXX) with C31 (518XXX) numbers. The C32P cabs were delivered in NW red and were never blue. Atlas gets an "F" on their homework for these! 

I personally contacted Atlas about the mistake they were about to make well before these cabs hit the shelves. Needless to say, my advice fell on deaf ears...and my money is still in my pocket!

 

Jimmy,

 

What distinguishes the two? From photos in the Brewer book it looks like a C31 with the window arrangements to me. The windows on the C32P don't seem to match the Atlas car.

Going by the few photos that I have seen of the model, the centered cupola window (1 window opening with two panes that slide open) matches a C32P.

The C31/C31P cupola has two separate windows at either end of the cupola.

The two end windows and small toilet window matches one on a C31. 

Photos of C31P cabs have side tiolet window shapes all over the place. Some with round corners, some with square windows and some plated over.

All in all, the Atlas cab is not a real good representation of either class. 

For me, if they had numbered it in the 555 series I would have bought one, just because the cupola windows look right for that class and because that is first thing that I look at.

FWIW, After riding many a caboose, I consider the C32P cabs third to the C31, which is second to the Cadillac of Cabs...the C31P.

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TH Ted HikelOGR Forum Member

The Atlas Black NW box car never existed

 

Really?

 

There certainly are plenty of plenty of photos of black N&W 60' waffle side high cube boxcars.  You would have to get into which were built by Berwick and which were built by P-S to call a car number "incorrect" for the Atlas model.  You would really have to know your 1970s freight car builders and the N&W freight car roster to even be aware of a difference.  If anyone wants to represent late N&W freight cars on a layout the Atlas model will do nicely.

 

http://www.krunk.org/~joeshaw/pics/nw/60ftbox/

 

http://www.railcarphotos.com/P...ls.php?PhotoID=38512

 

TH Ted HikelOGR Forum Member

This really is an International caboose with the cupola narrowed just to make a NW caboose.

 

It just an international caboose.  Plenty of railroads purchased international cabooses or built clones with the cupola the same width as the body.  Extended vision cabooses came into wide use rather late in the game.

 

Sunset/3rd Rail has offered models of K2a...

 

 

...and K3 mountains

 

 

 There is discussion of the N&W models and other mountains on the O Scale Locomotive Guide thread.

 

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/t...ountains-and-mohawks

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Big JimBig JimOGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
quote:
Originally Posted by Ted Hikel:
 Extended vision cabooses came into wide use rather late in the game.

N&W's narrow cupola C32P cabs came about as late as late can be and long after their extended vision cousins had made the scene. At the time I wondered why the N&W didn't purchase the wide cupola model as it had certainly been available.

 

The best thing about the C32P cabs were the Leaf Springs. This led to the C31 cabs being upgraded from coil springs to leaf springs with the change to class C31P ...and hence the "Cadillac of Cabs" status.

 

On the 2 rail engine scene:

3rd Rail

M

Y3

Y6a

Y6b

 

Sunset

Class J

 

Correct me if I am wrong, didn't PSC do a S1a 0-8-0???

There were locos from Max Grey and others, but, I can't remember or don't know what others were made back at that time.

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N nw2124OGR Forum Member
Originally Posted by christopher N&W:

N&W 0 Scale Cabin Cars

 

CF (518000-518380) 1914-1979  Woodside

• Kohs

• Division Point

• Weaver

• Quality Craft Kit

 

CG (518381-518405) 1927-1978  Steel

• Kohs

• Division Point - Early and late versions

• Weaver? Not sure if Weaver steel caboose was CG or CH - Weaver was CG caboose

• Sunset? Not sure if Sunset steel caboose was CG, CH or C2 - Sunset was CH

 

CH (518406-518425) 1940-1989 Steel

• Kohs did not do CH caboose

• Division Point

• Weaver? Not sure if Weaver steel caboose was CG or CH - Weaver did not do CH caboose

• Sunset? Not sure if Sunset steel caboose was CG, CH or C2 - Sunset did CH caboose only

 

C2 (518436-518445) 1949-1989 Steel

• Kohs

• Sunset? Not sure if Sunset steel caboose was CG, CH or C2 - Sunset was CH caboose

 

C5, C5P, C6, C6P, and C7, C7P (557500-557600) Ex NKP Bay Window with and wihout antenna

Overland (Both versions came painted in NKP but can be repainted to N&W)

 

C8 (557700-557760) 1964-1990; Ex Nickel Plate

•Atlas 0

(559-559208)

 

 

C12 - (559194-559208) Ex NKP Wood caboose w/square copula marker lights

Overland

 

C13/14 - (559343-559399) Ex NKP War Emergency Caboose built from boxcars.

Overland/Nickel Plate Models by Dave Vaughn

 

C17- (562700-562769) Ex Wabash with square copula

Overland

 

C18 (562770-562859) Ex Wabash 1964-1990 at least Streamline copula

• Overland

 

C19 (500825-500839) Ex Pittsburgh & West Virginia 1964-1990 at least

• Weaver (Northeastern cabooses, I'm pretty sure)  - Minor end window differences

• Sunset (Northeastern cabooses, I'm pretty sure)  - Minor end window differences

 

C31 & C31P? (518500-518699) 1968-1994

or is it a C32P (555000-555099) 1974-1994

• Atlas 0 (See comments that follow category listings regarding paint and numbering)

 

 

 

C32P (555000-555099) 1974-1994

None


C34 (557980,557981,557984, and 557988) Ex Illinios Terminal Bay Window

Car Works (Some window need blanked out and roof walk and end ladders removed)

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N nw2124OGR Forum Member
Originally Posted by nw2124:

The Atlas cabooses were C31's, though not 100% correct. The Weaver B60s were not N&W but a PRR baggage with the N&W name - as the Doors are too short and the lettering is all wrong and the door windows are wrong (close but definitely not N&W. A good kitbaqsh for N&W!

The Atlas Black NW box car never existed, a fobie. Atlas stated the the manufacture screwed up the color. Just because a model has Norfolk and Western on It does not make it a N&W car! Stephen

Ted Hikel: You are correct the NW lettering berwick is correct. It is the Atlas "O" #9633-5 Norfolk & Western Berwick 60' Hy-Cube Box Cars that are not correct with the "NORFOLK and WESTERN" STACKED lettering on the right side of the box car that were delivered to Atlas in the wrong color. Stephen

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