Now Comes the E6 from 3rd Rail

Where? I can't see it on my mobile. Are we talking EMD E6 diesel or PRR 4-4-2 steam? 

If EMD diesel, I wish Scott M would do the E3 as well with the demo unit. I am guessing that the demo paint scheme on the E3 was the K C S passenger scheme.

EMD E6. No details yet.

EMD E6's and now I might need to order a couple of sets. Im gonna have to sleep on this one

I thought this was supposed to be a secret, but what do I know?  I sense a set of ATSF units might be in my future. They will mate well with my Warbonnet E8s.

Yeeassss, get me some!

Just reserved my C&NW AA pair with note requesting correctly numbered "5005A" & "5005B".  

The CNW did not have cab-less B units. They ordered A units in pairs and numbered them A & B.

link to Great photo evidence for C&NW E-6:

http://morphotoarchive.org/rvn...20Western%20Railroad

(link to Ron Nixon collection)

I love that rakish profile of the E6.   Really cool with that Art Deco look. 

Norm

Santa Fe is one roadname.  The rest on on the Brochure.  On the website.

Has anyone asked Scott why the B units on the E6 for 3-rail are unpowered? Seems like lately all B units have been powered (E8, F7, PA) so why go back to unpowered? Is it a cost issue or mechanical issue?

Maybe a CB&Q E5A and E5B, with the stainless steel, fluted sides???????

Thank you Scott!!! I've wanted these for the longest time. ACL and Seaboard and Florida East Coast. Hope the SAL will be offered in the as delivered scheme. 

Hope all these roadnames get enough reservations.

Leon

Hot Water posted:

Maybe a CB&Q E5A and E5B, with the stainless steel, fluted sides???????

I'd love to see this be offered in brass by 3rd rail. I don't think there are enough buyers for a correct plastic E5 to be profitable. Perhaps if they go for a brass CRISP TA and it goes well a brass E5 would be more likely to happen???

Ok silly question time but does someone have a picture of the EMD E6 demonstrator "A" unit? It's on the reserve form but I never seen a picture of the real one. Have any of you (esp Hotwater)? I am aware of the EMD demos E3, E7  (Train of Tomorrow), and the E8 a unit. ( How 'bout dat Hotwater! Finally using da caps in the designations! )

enginEErjon posted:

Has anyone asked Scott why the B units on the E6 for 3-rail are unpowered? Seems like lately all B units have been powered (E8, F7, PA) so why go back to unpowered? Is it a cost issue or mechanical issue?

 

Exactly.... especially for Santa Fe engines. An unpowered B unit is really pointless. (the 3R E8 Bs were unpowered)

Santa Fe had 7 E6's total built in 1940-41. 4 A's and 3 B's. 12LA, 13LA, 14L, and 15LA were purchased and normally  ran as an AB set, with #14 purchased as an A unit only. So one powered A unit with a dummy B unit is NOT going to pull a lot of train on a grade especially. Granted the trains they pulled were normally  not large trains, 1 powered A unit is just not enough even with traction tires. Make the B units powered. But what do I know!

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Has anyone asked Scott why the B units on the E6 for 3-rail are unpowered? Seems like lately all B units have been powered (E8, F7, PA) so why go back to unpowered? Is it a cost issue or mechanical issue?

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Exactly.... especially for Santa Fe engines. An unpowered B unit is really pointless. (the 3R E8 Bs were unpowered)

Santa Fe had 7 E6's total. 4 A's and 3 B's. 12LA, 13LA, 14L, and 15LA were purchased and normally  ran as an AB set, with #14 bought as an A only. So one powered A unit with a dummy B unit is NOT going to pull a lot of train. Granted the trains they pulled werenormally  not large trains, 1 powered A unit is just not enough even with traction tires. Make the B units powered. But what do I know!

As I look at the price list, it seems to me that the B units are available both powered ($699.95 in the right column) and unpowered (in parentheses at $479.95 that are only available in 3R) so everybody that's a 3-railer should be happy.  In other words, 3-railers and only 3-railers have the option of choosing powered or dummy B units - dummy units are not being offered to 2-railers.   Am I missing something or am I misreading the order form?

MAN !!!! First E-8s, then Alco PAs, THENNN T&P 610, NOW E-6s ?!#!! Thanks Scott (no really THANKS!). 

Count me in as one person that would like to purchase more then one road name (ATSF, IC and C&NW) but I have to ask, what do any of you plan to pull with these new engines (excluding the Santa Fe modelers).

It would be much easier to get behind a passenger centric engine project if there were some indication that a matching set of passenger cars was to follow, not necessarily at the same time, just sometime down the road.

I did speak with Scott at length about this BTW and he said it is very difficult for the smaller, less popular road names, and that I do understand.

However, I am in no position to keep these as shelf queens, so I need a passenger set to move forward with a commitment.

Charlie

I was in for some Santa Fe's but the dummy b unit kills it and takes me out. I was also contemplating the CNW units but have nothing to pull with them so I'm out on those too. I'm done buying trains all Willy nilly, I need focus and a goal these days to pull the trigger and no train fir the C&NW set is a deal breaker and dummy B-units is also a deal breaker. 

Matt Makens posted:

.....I was also contemplating the CNW units but have nothing to pull with them so I'm out on those too. I'm done buying trains all Willy nilly, I need focus and a goal these days to pull the trigger and no train fir the C&NW set is a deal breaker.....

 I think that's half the reason CNW passenger engine offerings get cancelled so frequently......Unless Scott surprises again with an accurate passenger set I hope these get made otherwise I'll have a K-Line passenger set with no locomotive!

Hmmmm...

... ?

Witz, I'll buy your cnw cars if you feel like they need a new home 

The E6 demo unit, IIRC, was displayed at the NY world's fair and later sold to Seaboard Air Line and was numbered 3014 and repainted. The unit, while on display, had clear panels on parts of the side to display the interior. I don't have a photo but hope this post will help find one.

Since I have just announced these, I can make changes. I thought 3 Railers like Dummy Bs, because the A units have enough pulling power with traction rubber tires etc. And the Bs don't have exterior lights to control, so the electronics are only for running the motor. I have no problem offering the Bs as powered. I would have thought it would make AB sets more afforable in 3 Rail.  Now in 2 Rail, they need the traction of a B unit.

To be Clear:

E7s, B Units were powered, but tethered to A Units. Some customers were not happy with the tether. Not all As got the plug installed. A little messy production. No electronics in the 3 Rail E7 Bs.

FT, F7, FP7, SD79 all units were powered, as these smaller 3 Rail engines had less weight and less traction.

FL9: Dummies were not popular, got many left in 2 Rail. Arggg.

E8s, Bs are dummy in 3 Rail. Heavy As can pull so no need to power the Bs in 3 Rail.

ALCO PA, a bit smaller engine, so our thinking was make them powered in this run.

E6s, big, heavy A-Units, no need for powered Bs?

Your thoughts, oh mighty customers.....

Scott

Scott,

If it's an engine, give it to me powered. I personally don't like un-powered units. 

I amend my first response to be in for some Santa Fe units but im getting a set in 2 rail as that's my eventual ending point any how. I would like a set of C&NW units but alas no train to pull behind them puts me in a spot

Matt Makens posted:

 I would like a set of C&NW units but alas no train to pull behind them puts me in a spot

Unfortunately, in this BTO world, when and if a proper C&NW train comes along, will it be too late to obtain the proper motive power?

Purplepa,

was that the white unit that stuck out of the GM building at the world's Fair with chrome GM on the nose? If so WOW! I'm in!

Right now I am looking at a color pic of GM#1939 Wich was an E4 A-B set. From the book, "Diesel Demonstrators" however in the caption below the pic on PG#223 it says, "After the first year of the Fair ended(1939) the E4 was removed, sent back to EMC and rebuilt to E6 specifications, returning the following year renumbered 1940 and bearing a markedly different paint scheme." Hence my question as to what the paint scheme is on an E6! 

sdmann posted:

Since I have just announced these, I can make changes.....

...Your thoughts, oh mighty customers.....

Scott

I've ordered the 3R PA/PB and like the fact that the B is powered.

But I'm ordering the E6 as AA pair. Will there be any issues running an AA pair?

Big wish:

Perhaps the possibility of an optional closed door pilot.

I too am in for a pair of Amtrak SDP40F'S! And possibly an FP45 test unit too!

Scott,

My new engine buying will be limited in the future now that I did an early retirement (best decision EVER!!).  However, I'm going to give you my 2-cents anyway.

All my diesels are powered, including all the B units.  Most of my MU cab units are AB, with two ABA consists.  After running my ABAs, I agree with you that two powered units is enough to pull most trains, although I'm not sure about my passenger train with 12 of your cars and several head in cars up a 2.5% grade.  That train will stay three powered units.

The issue I have is the lack of sound in the powered (or non-powered) B units.  This is also why I don't buy MTH ABA sets that have two units without sound.  In some of my B units I have added a sound card, in others I ran wires for a speaker in it from the A.

I personally can live without power in the B unit as long as the B unit is powered in an AB consist.  For ABA consists I want sound in the B unit.  The issue is having this sound coordinated with the As.  Not sure how you would do that without the command board and motor driver, and if you do that you might as well add the motors.

So, reviewing what I just typed my recommendation is to just build powered B units.  I had no interest in your E7s but may get your PAs if the B unit has sound.

 Awesome announcement... but yes please give us powered B u it's in 3R. If it's an engine... it should have a motor in it.

How bout these?

Scott,
To clarify, if the E6 3R B unit were powered would it have a tether to the A unit?

How many GGD passenger cars could a single powered A pull up a 3% Grade?

Will the lead A unit have a closed coupler door (no exposed coupler?)

Will it have grab rails on the front end...just kidding...what....too soon?

Thanks for using this forum to communicate with your customers.  

Harimann cars like a dozen, El Capitan cars like 3

Powered B units for 3 Rail. Just like the F7s...powered Bs with sound and no tether. 

Thats has been the biggest complaint for Lionel E unit sets, 1 pwrd, 1 dmmy. Especially with heavy 21" cars, 2 powered units are better than one, and will make those traction tires last longer.

Also for the benefit of the group:

What are the minimums? O54? 

645 posted:

If 3rd Rail's goal is to do all the E-units .....

Ah, but if only that were true!.....

Unfortunately I've not been given any hope for the E-1's (ATSF) and EA's (B&O/Alton), the iconic forerunners of the E-family, due to their singular road-specific heritage and very limited prototype numbers, coupled with (as I understand it) a minimal, aging demand for these roads/engines.

The E-6 and E-1/EA bodies were, sorry to say, different enough to separate new tooling for an accurate model, I should think.  Nose contours, windows, roof features, etc., etc., blah, blah......it would, probably, be hard to recoup the investment.  

And, I doubt there are enough fanciers of fantasy paint schemes on an E-1/EA body to help that matter.

OTOH!......, it is well-known that EMC (EMD) designers (e.g., Leland Knickerbocker...father of the infamous Warbonnet) executed/submitted more than a single paint scheme for new customers of E-family engines.  Wouldn't it be fun to dig through various historical archives to find these renderings and have Scott do several 'What-If' models....with the archival and advertising help/encouragement of willing historical/modeling groups?  Well, I think so anyway. 

(sigh)......so close.  

And, yet.......

KD

Nice .. 

now what to order?

Yup, that's why I didn't bite on the Lionel E units. There is no opportunity for more power. You pretty much get one loco for $900. The three Rail guys that buy these I'm sure want powered everything. I'd rather have too many motors than not enough and if I use em on my El cap, which I prolly would more power is a necessity 

Yes we need powered B units.  Otherwise no need to buy since I have the Lionel E units which has on dummy A unit.  And also need the closed smooth pilot for at least the lead A unit.

I'm in for a AS&SF powered B unit w/Sound (3R) 

That L&N looks terrific. Too many good looking schemes.

Your flyer shows two Southern units - No 2800 Tuxedo and the more 'common' Green Tennessean. I have a No 2800 that I had painted some years ago. Was a Lionel CB&Q

I might spring for a powered Black & white one as mine is a dummy at present.

The Green SR emblem isn't prototypical but I liked the added color...  :-)

Scott - Will your PAs have 'stainless' side panels on some roads (AT&SF/D&H) like the F units that are so nice?

Laidoffsick posted:

Powered B units for 3 Rail. Just like the F7s...powered Bs with sound and no tether. 

Thats has been the biggest complaint for Lionel E unit sets, 1 pwrd, 1 dmmy. Especially with heavy 21" cars, 2 powered units are better than one, and will make those traction tires last longer.

 

I agree. At the last Lionel half price sale, I bought the motors and trucks to power two dummy E6 units. Now I have three sets of Lionel E-6 units, so which one gets left out?

Was the "City of New Orleans" ever pulled by E-6's? I have so many Santa Fe locos ordered from Scott, perhaps it is time to order the Illinois Central E-6's and build the train I have never owned, but would like to. Those passenger cars could be a problem, though.

Eliot, IC had to have used their E6's on the City of New Orleans at some time.  However, I am not aware of their being regularly assigned to that train.  They only had 5 E6A units, and one of those did not last long.  It was wrecked in the 1940's and sent to EMD for repair, returning as an E7.

After the IC had purchased its fleet of E8's and E9's (by the mid-1950's) The E6's and E7's were more commonly seen on the Iowa trains, the Green Diamond, and the Shreveport trains.  However, the IC E6's were well-maintained right to their last day, and made occasional appearances on the New Orleans trains.  

OK, will change the ordering to Powered E6 Bs in 3R. Attending the O Scale West Show. Lightly attended, but the core crew are there. Nice to see the familiar faces. Lots of collection pieces on sale. I brought a few gems as well. Come if you are near Santa Clara.

Scott

RoyBoy posted:

Laidoffsick posted:

Powered B units for 3 Rail. Just like the F7s...powered Bs with sound and no tether. 

Thats has been the biggest complaint for Lionel E unit sets, 1 pwrd, 1 dmmy. Especially with heavy 21" cars, 2 powered units are better than one, and will make those traction tires last longer.

 

I agree. At the last Lionel half price sale, I bought the motors and trucks to power two dummy E6 units. Now I have three sets of Lionel E-6 units, so which one gets left out?

RoyBoy,

Good idea to buy motors and trucks for the dummy units.  Probably a lot cheaper than buying two complete Lionel AA sets (powered + dummy) to get two powered As like I've done.  Still trying to figure out what to do with the dummy AA sets.

Do you run command control?  If so, how did you set up your "new" powered units to run with the factory built powered units?  Probably doable with DCS but I don't see how with Lionel unless you gut all the engines and rebuild with ERR products.

ADDED:  Scott, maybe producing a limited number of power/command upgrade kits for those that want powered B units instead of making all B units powered.  That way those who don't want power (either cost or operation) can get what they want, and those wanting powered units can buy the upgrade kit. 

ecd15 posted:

Matt Makens posted:

 I would like a set of C&NW units but alas no train to pull behind them puts me in a spot

Unfortunately, in this BTO world, when and if a proper C&NW train comes along, will it be too late to obtain the proper motive power?

what cars would be right for this engine?

did it pull the hi level commuter cars?

Below is a close up but partial picture of the E6 demonstrator with some information.  Scroll down a few pictures to get to it.

http://www.shorpy.com/node/19490

Actually the first picture in the link above is the best picture.  When I took a quick glance at it, I thought it was just one of the buildings.  Not sure how 3rd Rail would do the very visible interior...

Thank you John for the link to the demo color photo. Now I can stop searching.

If Scott makes that paint scheme, I will purchase one.

Also hoping the MP version will have the porthole windows on the side and the Milw version will be in the 'as delivered' scheme. This is going to make the choices more complicated, except for my must haves of ACL, FEC, and SAL to pull my passenger trains.

Looks like a real BEAST.    

I hope somebody in our Club gets an A-B set.  I would enjoy watching that combo on the point.    

I am too tapped-out to even consider such a purchase.   

I want a Santa Fe AB, but its too early to commit. I wanna see if the Alco's get a second run. If the timing is right I'll get them hoping for a re run of the 50's Super Chief. There are not that many road names, and I think that's good. More room for accuracy!

Thanks for offering these, Scott! They are definitely on my radar.

If you are offering this as-delivered paint shecme for the MILW, I'd be happy to match the colors from my Key E6 with the Pantone system, the colors on this one are trrrrricky!

Thank you John H. for that link! I'm in it for sure! I placed my reservation!

This one is the 1939 world fair:

I thought I was pretty much finished buying equipment, but Scott keeps tempting me to add more.

Adding powered trucks to dummy units is a great way to go, and have what you wish.  I have done so with PW F3 units that have been repainted for certain roads.  It would be easier to do so with modern can motors and putting in ERR electronics is never a problem.  Having done so, to have two powered A units, and no tether necessary, is very simple and quite effective.  With the "nudge" feature of ERR TMCC units, getting the two A units to run in synch is very easy to perform.

Jesse    TCA   12-68275

Going to order AB set of Missouri Pacific with the correct port hole windows. Time to sell the MTH set with square windows. I like the Rock Island E6 and TA sets but I already have too much on order now. Those will go down to the wire on ordering.

Joe

The picture of the E6 on Third Rail's web site is not very good.  I wonder what engine number choices will be on the Rock Island A units?  I think it would be good if they used #628 and #630 then they could be used to pull K-Line's Golden State set; even better if GGD produced accurate scale length GS cars for the engines

CAPPilot posted:

The picture of the E6 on Third Rail's web site is not very good.  I wonder what engine number choices will be on the Rock Island A units?  I think it would be good if they used #628 and #630 then they could be used to pull K-Line's Golden State set; even better if GGD produced accurate scale length GS cars for the engines

Ron,

If you wouldn't mind, could you send your preferred engine numbers to my email.  It is in my profile.  Then I can catalog it when it comes time for this project to go into design.

Thanks!

Jonathan

I think we need some clarification as to which paint schemes are likely to be produced. The brochure and web site show 2 different Southern schemes, neither of which I would prefer. Also it would be nice to be able to choose between schemes on the reservation page. The ACL had 3 schemes purple / silver with either small or large lettering and black with yellow stripes. I like them all and would likely order all 3 if produced.

My thanks to Scott and Jonathan for taking on this icon of passenger diesels.

Leon

Im going in for a seaboard air line. But I agree, clarification on certain schemes would be great. Also L&N had these in a beautiful royal blue scheme. Can we get L&N added? I would reserve an A unit in L&N

Clarification of which model/version of the engines being produced would be great.  I have been doing some web browsing and there are significant differences between versions of the ATSF E6.

AT&SF E6AB Set Warbonnet Scheme
          Nos. 12L/12A, 13L/13A, 15L/15A as delivered
          April/May 1940 and May 1941.......

AT&SF E6AB Set Warbonnet Scheme Nos. 12L/12A, 13L/13A, 15L/15A
  As modified mid-1950s

I personally prefer the looks of the "as delivered" model and I hope Scott makes that version.  I am no expert but there are many obvious differences in the two versions that I can even see. I am a sucker for the sleek streamlined front end! The additional headlight and the exposed front coupler detracts from the front end in my opinion.  Speaking of....was the rake on the E6 front end the same as the E3?  Just curious.

The general thinking at this time is that the ATSF E6 will be the as delivered version as it pulled the Chief up to 1946.  There are plenty of passenger car sets for that time period.  They were assigned to Midwest service trains such as the Texas Chief and lessor trains in 1947 through the end of their careers in the 60's after F3's took over Chicago to LA trains. 

As for other paint schemes, this project is still a ways out.  If there are strong feelings one way or the other and there is consensus on what those schemes should be, please make your feelings known.  As always, it takes 20 units to make any paint scheme move forward.  Pictures always help!

E3's, E4's (SAL only), E5's (CB&Q only), and E6's all shared the same nose profile and the EA and E1 are very similar. 

Blue Streak posted:

Going to order AB set of Missouri Pacific with the correct port hole windows. Time to sell the MTH set with square windows. I like the Rock Island E6 and TA sets but I already have too much on order now. Those will go down to the wire on ordering.

Joe

Did Scott say they would do the MP with the portholes?  Best to verify and not assume.

Yes, I am also a sucker for the sleek front end (with no coupler) of the as delivered ATSF E6.  If that is the version (with the number 13 as shown in the photo above) I am all in!!

Sunset does show the MP units in their reservation ad as having portholes,however changing the tooling for these units only may not be a viable option, only Scott can answer that.

I emailed Scott to ask about the how the front coupler would be treated on the ATSF E6.  Here is his reply..

We can have this discussion after we have been through the design
phase of the E6s. Since the nose of the E6s stick out farther I am
inclined to have a 2 Rail pilot with a rotating door. But that 2
Rail pilot would be an extra cost for 3 Railers wanting this
feature.

Scott Mann

I think having the option of a closed door front pilot is great.  If you agree email him to let him know it is worth the effort to provide it.

thanks

kevin

T4TT posted:

I emailed Scott to ask about the how the front coupler would be treated on the ATSF E6.  Here is his reply..

We can have this discussion after we have been through the design
phase of the E6s. Since the nose of the E6s stick out farther I am
inclined to have a 2 Rail pilot with a rotating door. But that 2
Rail pilot would be an extra cost for 3 Railers wanting this
feature.

Scott Mann

I think having the option of a closed door front pilot is great.  If you agree email him to let him know it is worth the effort to provide it.

thanks

kevin

1. Agreed. Option of closed pilot is definitely wanted. I wish it was also possible on the yet to be produced Alco PA as well.

2. Throughout the 40's the closed pilot was fundamental to the sleek shovel nosed features distinctive to the E6 for so many 'glamorous' named passenger trains they headed.

3. I don't object to a reasonable extra cost for an optional closed door pilot for the lead unit of an A A pair in 3R. Obviously, an open door pilot with functional 3R coupler on the second A unit would be necessary in such a configuration.

4. I reserved 2 A units as soon as they were announced. Your 'email Scott' recommendation is a good one for anyone serious about purchasing these. He's always given me upfront responses. I am sending one today.

http://morphotoarchive.org/rvn...20Western%20Railroad

CNW E6 AA pair no. 5005A & 5005B in 1947:

(Photo:  Ron V. Nixon Collection Image Record -RVN12753. Museum of the Rockies, Montana State University-Bozeman).

Edit 6/6/17: Per his response to my email, I sent Scott photos and link for closed pilot references.  CNW pilot doors different in style than ATSF and others.  Also photo evidence shows 1940-50s E6 pilot had the side step, not to be confused with the many photos of E3s cleaner pilot without step.   Lastly of note:  the lights in center lens are aligned vertically on this prototype. Hopefully more than 3 of us order sets so it doesn't get cancelled!

E6 (5005A,5005B,5006A,5006B): photo from mid to late 40's. This phase shows pilot with side step, single upper light & vertically aligned twin center lights

E3 (5001A,5001B,5002A,5002B): this photo '39 to early 40's shows narrower no step pilot, single upper and center light

Another vote for the ATSF E6 as delivered with the hope that "Fast 14" is offered as a single unit.

Allan

Scott says Mopac will have port hole windows as shown in there illustration. So I ordered an A & B unit set yesterday. Bye Bye MTH set with square windows.

Be fore we get to far along on the HO Ra for this models I would like to make a comment.

This is a great thing Scott is doing offering this model in Missouri Pacific livery. The MP only had 2 sets of the E6 delivered. #7002 and 7003 in AB. so those are your numbers. the Portholes are the key to this. The detail variations are they could do are abundant  in Pilots roof details and colors. Some models had  painted blue pilots during there life. But he has to have the numbers to make it work, the E8 that are now shipping there are only 20 done in MP. that was the cut off.

The E6 opens up many possibilities for future MP models in the E car body. He could do MP E3 these came in AA sets as MP 7000 and 7001 has portholes and chrome side moldings in lue of painted stripping. The roof details are different from the E6

Another neat offering could be the MP AA class E6 #7100 with Baggage door and only one prime mover.  This pulled the Delta Eagle 2 car passenger train.

I present this to spark interest in the Road of Blue and Gray lowey style painting. But like I said the numbers must make it work and I think it is 20 of each.

Bob Harris

Hot Water posted:

Maybe a CB&Q E5A and E5B, with the stainless steel, fluted sides???????

How about the brass one at Stout?

WITZ 41 posted:

Hot Water posted:

Maybe a CB&Q E5A and E5B, with the stainless steel, fluted sides???????

How about the brass one at Stout?

Yea, right!

First, it is 2-Rail, and second it will probably sell for $3000 or more. Third, it has the red strip scheme on the nose, which is for post 1960, and NOT my modeling era.

I am in with Hot!!!! CB&Q   E5a-b stainless!!! my plated overland set is pitting out

There were probably a half dozen Key E5s at OSW unsold.  How/where they will show up?

rdunniii posted:

There were probably a half dozen Key E5s at OSW unsold.  How/where they will show up?

That kills me, I want one so bad! But I'm already spending 6k plus in brass this summer... No way I can spend another 3200 on a Key early E this year. 

If 3rd rail offers the E5 in brass, offering several versions including the red nose may make the project more plausible. I'd take an AB and an AA set for sure. Scott is already giving us the great gift of the Rocket TA, it would be a dream to have the E5, but I understand if it doesn't happen. 

SANTIAGOP23 posted:

If 3rd rail offers the E5 in brass, offering several versions including the red nose may make the project more plausible. I'd take an AB and an AA set for sure. Scott is already giving us the great gift of the Rocket TA, it would be a dream to have the E5, but I understand if it doesn't happen. 

An E5 in brass would be amazing. The key model is stunning. 

Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

SANTIAGOP23 posted:

If 3rd rail offers the E5 in brass, offering several versions including the red nose may make the project more plausible. I'd take an AB and an AA set for sure. Scott is already giving us the great gift of the Rocket TA, it would be a dream to have the E5, but I understand if it doesn't happen. 

An E5 in brass would be amazing. The key model is stunning. 

Even a plated one in plastic would be pretty cool and the price would be more friendly for many people.  I'm not normally a Burlington modeler or operator, but this would make a stunning locomotive for any layout.

Would it have been far fetched for a Demo to pull a string of Pennsy  varnish?

I love that rakish look!

Norm

GG1 4877 posted:

Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

SANTIAGOP23 posted:

If 3rd rail offers the E5 in brass, offering several versions including the red nose may make the project more plausible. I'd take an AB and an AA set for sure. Scott is already giving us the great gift of the Rocket TA, it would be a dream to have the E5, but I understand if it doesn't happen. 

An E5 in brass would be amazing. The key model is stunning. 

Even a plated one in plastic would be pretty cool and the price would be more friendly for many people.  I'm not normally a Burlington modeler or operator, but this would make a stunning locomotive for any layout.

that does sound cool. Plating plastic models seems to work very well. Mth has been successfully doing it for years. I think a plated E5 has the potential to do well.

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SANTIAGOP23 posted:

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You think this guy wants an E5......... :')

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Santiago,

Your message is kinda vague.  Are you looking for a specific locomotive?  

Don't blame me! A certain someone has made me Expo Flyer crazyyyy

Hot Water posted:

WITZ 41 posted:

Hot Water posted:

Maybe a CB&Q E5A and E5B, with the stainless steel, fluted sides???????

How about the brass one at Stout?

Yea, right!

First, it is 2-Rail, and second it will probably sell for $3000 or more. Third, it has the red strip scheme on the nose, which is for post 1960, and NOT my modeling era.

Wellll..you could get around the 2-rail thing on your railroad.
OTOH, think of all the money you've saved

Erik;

Keys....?  1943 would be right as the cab roof mounted number boards were added in 1942.

Allan

Here's Seaboards E6 3016 in Citrus paint:

I "may" consider one IF it's offered in the Citrus scheme and with that medieval-looking pilot

Here's an HO model in color:

At some point Seaboard changed the yellow roof to green, then to the mint green with dark green roof later.  They only had 3, 3014 (original EMD demo), 3015, and 3016.  I'm not positive but I think they started out with the Hancock air horn, switching over to the 5-chime horn at some point.

I also spotted a photo of SAL 3015 with the medieval pilot and a single headlight!  I'll try to post that photo tomorrow.

I also cast my vote for the citrus scheme Seaboard Air Line. That is one classic scheme.

Also must mention the ACL purple scheme which was used by the competition. I hope they both get enough reservations.

Leon

Here's SAL 3015:

Notice the single headlight, single horns, yellow roof, and "medieval" pilot.  3rd Rail has their work cut out for them trying to decide on the timeframe to produce.  this photo was taken in February 1942.

Also, the nose emblem says RAILWAY vice RAILROAD.

Looking at the pics above confirms to me how much better the E6 looks with the closed coupler door.  Did most the lead E6s run with a closed coupler door?  

Buying an A-B ATSF E6 set would be a no-brainer if I knew for sure they will be the "as delivered" version and the A unit would have the closed door pilot.  I read Scott's post in this thread  about the additional cost associaed with supplying a second pilot in the box like Atlas does.  I get it.

If the choice was to buy an E6 with a lobster claw or one with a closed door pilot with no coupler at all, I would prefer no coupler at all.  If you are considering to purchase an E6 what would your choice be?  

Closed door for sure on the front of the "A" unit. The large gap and coupler absolutely ruin the nose. 

If he can make small hinged doors for the top of steam boilers, the same could be done with the E6 pilot. If you want a coupler, open the doors, and attach the coupler behind the open doors.

Hey Scott - since you are making the Southern E6 how about the Tennessean and Southerner consist to go with them???

Both trains had the same consist built by Pullman Standard except for the Observation car. 

Thanks for those photos Erik!!!

Didn't you have a video of your E4 a few years back?  Seems like I recall seeing a video of it from someone on the forum.

T4TT posted and Laidoffsick echoed:

"If the choice was to buy an E6 with a lobster claw or one with a closed door pilot with no coupler at all, I would prefer no coupler at all.  If you are considering to purchase an E6 what would your choice be?"

There has to be a way/option/modification to make the lead unit with the coupler door closed.

There are a couple of different ways to do this, Scott and Co. will need to decide which is best.

Option #1: Tool-up and offer a "closed door" version of the pilot

Option #2: Install dummy coupler, but leave the option of removing the coupler and have the user install a "plug" to fit the coupler space. Lionel did with the Dreyfus Hudson. The back side of the plug had a mounting bracket that would then be screwed to one of the coupler holes. "Makes more sense with a picture".

Option #3: Model the doors so they operate (obviously will not cover conventional or Kadee coupler) but might cover a scale coupler.

In my opinion, the "plug" might be the least expensive option, but a whole new closed pilot would look the best. 

I have not pre-ordered any of the E6 units due to lack of passenger cars to pull (in my road name). But I have been thinking about the future (a gamble) that maybe the proper cars MIGHT become available in the future.  

Charlie

M J Breen posted:

Hey Scott - since you are making the Southern E6 how about the Tennessean and Southerner consist to go with them???

Both trains had the same consist built by Pullman Standard except for the Observation car. 

If I'm not mistaken, the Tennesean was hauled over N&W by class J's, so this consist would work for two railroads.

If you want this consist, you need to get a bunch of folks to write and commit to a set.

I am thinking... Both the Tuxedo and the Green Southern schemes.

What about the poor Santa Fe guys with E6s, and PAs? 

What train are they gonna pull?