Now Comes the E6 from 3rd Rail

T4TT posted:  

Buying an A-B ATSF E6 set would be a no-brainer if I knew for sure they will be the "as delivered" version and the A unit would have the closed door pilot.  

If the choice was to buy an E6 with a lobster claw or one with a closed door pilot with no coupler at all, I would prefer no coupler at all.  If you are considering to purchase an E6 what would your choice be?   

This sums it up for me.  

I have a Santa Fe E6 by the other guys.  But I'd ditch that in favor of this O3R AB offering, IF...

1) Closed door A pilot assured.

2) As-delivered paint and appointments.

OK, Scott??  Confirm in some manner, and I'll post a reservation!

KD?

P.S......I'm never going to give up on the EA/E1, though!  Nevahhhhhhhhh!

Both the FEC and ACL could be covered with a "Champion" 7 car set.

Lets just hope the diesels get enough reservations to be offered.

Leon

The as delivered ATSF E6s would have an enclosed front coupler, roof mounted bell behind the horns, single horns one facing forward on the fireman's side & the other rearward, coupler release lever on each side of the nose, NO cab roof number board, stainless sides, half circle crosses next to the side windows and, on the boosters, the bottom stripe curves down at the rear.

The Fourth Quarter Warbonnet has an excellent timeline chart of the ATSF E6 modifications by John B. Moore.

And the cover of the Fourth Quarter 2004 Warbonnet has a great 3/4 photo of # 14 (hint, hint) as delivered with the exception that it has the west coast WW11 blackout shield.

Allan

Sure....it figures that the 4th Quarter Warbonnet isn't available through the historical society website.  1st and 3rd quarter are.  Lol.

There's 18 pages alone in this issue.... color photos, charts, info on details, and train assignments

Doug,

This issue is in addition to the one that Allan mentioned?

Yes, its a timeline of their E units from the E1 to E8, not just the E6.

Jonathan;

Double apology...I forgot to mention it is the Fourth Quarter 1999 issue that has the timeline chart.  If you can't find a copy, I'm happy to loan you one.  Second apology, I also meant to refer you to the First Quarter 2015 issue LOS references.

Old age is hell,

Allan

Allan E posted:

Jonathan;

Double apology...I forgot to mention it is the Fourth Quarter 1999 issue that has the timeline chart.  If you can't find a copy, I'm happy to loan you one.  Second apology, I also meant to refer you to the First Quarter 2015 issue LOS references.

Old age is hell,

Allan

No worries at all.  Time to go shopping again!  The 1st Quarter 2015 issue is sold out, when the time comes for graphics I'll certainly reach out to you.  My memory isn't what it used to be, hence my recent book buying spree.  5 new ones to add to the library in the last 3 weeks and 3 were ATSF books.

Edit .... just looked online and fourth quarter 1999 is sold out too. 

Allan E,

Your description....

"The as delivered ATSF E6s would have an enclosed front coupler, roof mounted bell behind the horns, single horns one facing forward on the fireman's side & the other rearward, coupler release lever on each side of the nose, NO cab roof number board, stainless sides, half circle crosses next to the side windows and, on the boosters, the bottom stripe curves down at the rear."

....is exactly the version I hope gets manufactured.  I am not going to place my reservation until I know this is the version that will be produced.  Thanks to you and Doug for your contributions and thanks to Jonathan for doing the research.  

To me the E unit on the cover of the Warbonnet magazine has, how should I put it.....has some cosmetic shortcomings.  To me the roof mounted number board, the grab irons above the windows and the exposed coupler totally detract from its appearance.  Having typed that, I found it strange that those details bother me, yet the do!

I'm gonna muddy the waters a bit.

I was searching for some data on the Atlantic Coast Line Class R-1 4-8-4s.  I found what I was looking for in the ACL/SAL Historical Society's magazine, Lines South, issue Volume 15, No.3, 3rd Qtr 1998.

But what I also found was this.  Warren Calloway had written an article on Seaboards E4s, numbers 3000-3013.  These units had the distinct tilt out nose door, they were basically an E3 with this added feature.

The article also mentions the SAL E6s, 3014, 3015, and 3016.  Warren states that SALs E4s and E6s were identical, same engine, carbody, trucks, and electrical equipment, differing in name only.  So the E6s ALSO had the tilt out nose door!!!

SAL also had E4B units, which often were used with a number of diesels besides the E4s.

I can't vouch for the accuracy of the article but Warren is a pretty good source of info and I trust what he says.

So...what will actually be offered?  3rd Rail has a golden opportunity to offer Seaboard fans a plate full of E units if the interest is there, tilting nose door and all

Jonathan, did the yellow grab scandal strike a nerve?

T4TT;

I'm with you re reservations...hope for a chance at an as delivered #14 (no booster).

Allan

Matt,

Did you reserve your CNW AA pair yet?

I'll be pretty bummed if they cancel the road name.

Wits, I have not. I have no train to pull behind them so unless Scott does a run of CNW passenger cars I'm probably going to pass in E6s same with the Santa Fe. Want em both but have not train for em

I don't have cars for the E6s either, but I am hoping either Atlas or GGD will release early Super Chief cars some day.  I am playing the long game.  If Scott does the E6 in the form I am hoping I would be happy to buy it, test run it and then store it until the cars eventually come out.  My El Cap train is finally complete and that took a few years.  Waiting is a part of the hobby.  It is not like most of us don't have several other trains to play with while we patiently wait for the next train we "have to have".

T4TT posted:

I don't have cars for the E6s either, but I am hoping either Atlas or GGD will release early Super Chief cars some day.  I am playing the long game.  If Scott does the E6 in the form I am hoping I would be happy to buy it, test run it and then store it until the cars eventually come out.  My El Cap train is finally complete and that took a few years.  Waiting is a part of the hobby.  It is not like most of us don't have several other trains to play with while we patiently wait for the next train we "have to have".

If you would be interested in a set of the GGD 37 Super Chief cars I'll make you a great deal on a 6 car set.

rdunniii posted:

T4TT posted:

I don't have cars for the E6s either, but I am hoping either Atlas or GGD will release early Super Chief cars some day.  I am playing the long game.  If Scott does the E6 in the form I am hoping I would be happy to buy it, test run it and then store it until the cars eventually come out.  My El Cap train is finally complete and that took a few years.  Waiting is a part of the hobby.  It is not like most of us don't have several other trains to play with while we patiently wait for the next train we "have to have".

If you would be interested in a set of the GGD 37 Super Chief cars I'll make you a great deal on a 6 car set.

Is it 2 rail?

SANTIAGOP23 posted:

rdunniii posted:

T4TT posted:

I don't have cars for the E6s either, but I am hoping either Atlas or GGD will release early Super Chief cars some day.  I am playing the long game.  If Scott does the E6 in the form I am hoping I would be happy to buy it, test run it and then store it until the cars eventually come out.  My El Cap train is finally complete and that took a few years.  Waiting is a part of the hobby.  It is not like most of us don't have several other trains to play with while we patiently wait for the next train we "have to have".

If you would be interested in a set of the GGD 37 Super Chief cars I'll make you a great deal on a 6 car set.

Is it 2 rail?

Doh!  Yes.

Dang!!!!!!!