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That's a great scene - always is to see a train I might have been traveling on. I started going to Yankee Stadium in1947 and rode that piece of railroad many times in the 60's
To make it more realistic, get rid of that water tank and put in a warehouse or street scene.
@mlaughlinnyc posted:That's a great scene - always is to see a train I might have been traveling on. I started going to Yankee Stadium in1947 and rode that piece of railroad many times in the 60's
To make it more realistic, get rid of that water tank and put in a warehouse or street scene.
You're right about the water tank. On my layout to the right is my roundhouse and turntable. I'll see what I can do.
I went to my first game at Yankee Stadium at Yankee Stadium in 1958. The only thing I remember was Bob Shephard announcing "Jerry Lumpe." I was only 4 yrs old and thought that was hysterical. The first game I really remember was 1960 against Cleveland.
Thanks for the input.
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Great scene Skip.
Yes NYC Fan, Skip, you have a neat scene, beautiful train, you might add pictures of your roundhouse scenes to. Thanks for sharing. Happy Railroading Everyone
Skip,...beautiful scene!...can we use this thread for some other NYC layouts ?...be kinda cool to see other Central motivated layouts,....no??...
Pat
Nice looking scene Skip and nicely framed image.
My first baseball memory was at the old Forbes Field of the Pittsburgh Pirates. My cousin took me to the game in her Buick Wildcat convertible in 1967. A foul ball flew up into my section, almost in slow motion...sadly, I did not get it.
Hope you and your family are well.
Tom
@harmonyards posted:Skip,...beautiful scene!...can we use this thread for some other NYC layouts ?...be kinda cool to see other Central motivated layouts,....no??...
Pat
Absolutely!!!
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@NYC Fan posted:
Did you have any problems with the D1a? Mine has been at Lionel Concord for over 5-weeks now!
Also the A2a was actually a P&LE engine. In fact maybe an engine that should have never been built.
Ron
Beautiful line up Skip.
@PRRronbh posted:Did you have any problems with the D1a? Mine has been at Lionel Concord for over 5-weeks now!
Also the A2a was actually a P&LE engine. In fact maybe an engine that should have never been built.
Ron
No problems with the D1a.
Yes the A2a was the last steam locomotive built for the New York Central and used on the P&LE. When ALCO got the order they had already closed their tender production plant and refitted it for diesel production. The engine was made by ALCO and the tender was made by Lima. This Berkshire was a great engine that fell victim to dieselization just as the Niagara did.
@NYC Fan posted:No problems with the D1a.
Yes the A2a was the last steam locomotive built for the New York Central and used on the P&LE. When ALCO got the order they had already closed their tender production plant and refitted it for diesel production. The engine was made by ALCO and the tender was made by Lima. This Berkshire was a great engine that fell victim to dieselization just as the Niagara did.
Skip, there is a great 121 page book "P&LE's Berkshires"/ by Jack Polaritz. P&LE's management were ready to go with diesels in fact were going to sign the contracts when NYC stepped in and forced the P&LE to purchase 10 of these Berks from Alco. Now the seven P&LE Berks that got built before the P&LE canceled the other three eventually got LOANed to the NYC down Cincinnati way AFTER the P&LE side line them. The tenders were farmed out to Lima because these were the last steam engines built by Alco (and also why they were green) and by that time the Alco tender shop was converted over to diesels.
By home town was the western terminus point of the P&LE. Up till I was a lad of five our house was about 2 1/2-miles from were the Gateway yard was built years later. Now I see to recall seeing these P&LE A2a's running on the east side of town.
My local toy train shop owner ordered and sold me my P&LE A2a for cost since the O-gauge specialist and I rebuilt the store layout about that time. I use to get a kick out of running the P&LE A2a on the layout when a NYC fan came in wondering were this NYC Berk came from. After having my chuckle would point out to them it says " New York Central SYSTEM" not "New York Central" on the side of the tender also long the top of the coal bin it says "P&LE."
Ron
Super nice stuff Skip!!, ....I’m frothing at the mouth during my lunch break ( all of 10 minutes ) when I get done work, I’ll post up some pics too,...😁...
Pat
@NYC Fan posted:Ron,
It is a beautiful locomotive. I love the all-weather cab, as did the crew I bet!!! Explain to me your reference as to why they were green???
Thought you might get a kick out of this picture!
well the best guess is that the one order the Alco had when these A2a's were pushed on to them was for 50 Mountain-type 4-8-2's for the Argentina State Railway which apparently were painted in this "Huntingford Green." The engines also had some "gold" stripping which was quickly changed. You probably noticed that this 9401 had a passenger red and white smoke box number board. September 1948 this engine pulled a special Tain of NYC executives after this trip the logo and number board was restored to the same black and white as the other side Berks.
Ron
Here’s some shots from Harmon .......I’ll try to keep them in order,...I hope,..
1 Mohawk class L2a # 2795 rides the turntable at Harmon....
2 the roundhouse at Harmon engine facilities....
3 Niagara class S1 # 6025 & Hudson class J1e fitted with PT tender # 5274 are spotted on the inbound servicing tracks having their tenders topped off,....
4 freshly shopped Hudson class J3a # 5410 sits along side Mohawks classes L3a and L2d as the Hudson awaits orders to back down the reversing loop at Harmon,...
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@harmonyards posted:Here’s some shots from Harmon .......I’ll try to keep them in order,...I hope,..
1 Mohawk class L2a # 2795 rides the turntable at Harmon....
2 the roundhouse at Harmon engine facilities....
3 Niagara class S1 # 6025 & Hudson class J1e fitted with PT tender # 5274 are spotted on the inbound servicing tracks having their tenders topped off,....
4 freshly shopped Hudson class J3a # 5410 sits along side Mohawks classes L3a and L2d as the Hudson awaits orders to back down the reversing loop at Harmon,...
Beautiful!!!! I might have mentioned before, I spent about 8 years working in Ossining 1983-1991. I spent quite a few lunch hours hanging out by the yards near the shops where the turntable and roundhouse once were. That was obviously prior to 9/11. Can't do that anymore.
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Small world Skip, grandad worked at Harmon, during the steam era. When he retired, he’d still take us down to the ( existing) facilities and we’d wonder around ....right around 79-81......we all lived in Poughkeepsie at the time,....I couldn’t get enough of it,....
Pat
J1 class Hudson 5221, now outfitted with PT tender, awaits her turn to back down the reversing loop to couple onto a passenger train just brought in by an electric,....
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Skip, do you have any wide shots of your layout? I would really like to see the whole thing. Maybe they are on another thread?
Ah, the sweet smell of New York Central steam. Well, I can imagine can't I? Great topic, great pics to see before this steam crazy fool hits the sack. 😃
Always great to see Skip's layout. Skip, are you running any passenger cars? There's a particular set I'd like to see.
Gerry
A few pictures of my NYC roster. Starting off with my 783 Hudson pulling into the station with some heavyweight Madison cars on my vintage Prewar table. Along with my F3 ABA NYC 20th Central Limited passenger set.
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I tried to do a motion shot, kinda hard to do with an iPad,...😉.....so let’s call this one photographer unknown please,...
never made in 3 rail O,...on the move is Mohawk class L2d # 2967, northbound, out of Croton,....
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@gmorlitz posted:Always great to see Skip's layout. Skip, are you running any passenger cars? There's a particular set I'd like to see.
Gerry
@harmonyards posted:
Pat,
Got any more photos of this L2d Mohawk?? There were about 75 of these made between 1929 and 1930. Some of these were the first Mohawks that were converted for high speed passenger service. Yours looks like a beauty.
@NYC Fan posted:Pat,
Got any more photos of this L2d Mohawk?? There were about 75 of these made between 1929 and 1930. Some of these were the first Mohawks that were converted for high speed passenger service. Yous looks like a beauty.
Sure Skip, ...I thought I did a build thread on this one, maybe I didn’t,....don’t get old, ...it sucks,...I built this L2d from a L2a chassis combined with a modified L3a boiler,...I removed the Worthington feed water, and added in the Elesco ( courtesy of PSC) also added in the correct external plumbing for the Elesco, ....I’m sure a couple of guys will catch the one part that doesn’t belong, but I’m waiting for PSC to cast it,...I’m sure Jack ( HW) would catch it,...( it’s getting fixed Jack 😁) ...anyways, here’s some quick highlight pics,...I built this one during my Christmas break, which lasts all December,...😁😁😁
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The middle pic above this reply, is of the rod bolt detail I had been working on with my good pal Pete ( Norton ) that pic is one of the first prototype rod bolts I made with the stud detail....after discussing back and forth with Pete, I finally nailed it down to look like this: ....this is much more “correct looking” ...it shows the stud with a tiny bit of thread and the centering mark on the stud,......I never could find a O scale cotter key,....😁
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@Will posted:Skip, do you have any wide shots of your layout? I would really like to see the whole thing. Maybe they are on another thread?
Hi Will,
My layout was in OGR Magazine in Dec 2016 and Dec 2019. Lots of photos especially the digital version. I plan to do an update article soon.
@harmonyards posted:Sure Skip, ...I thought I did a build thread on this one, maybe I didn’t,....don’t get old, ...it sucks,...I built this L2d from a L2a chassis combined with a modified L3a boiler,...I removed the Worthington feed water, and added in the Elesco ( courtesy of PSC) also added in the correct external plumbing for the Elesco, ....I’m sure a couple of guys will catch the one part that doesn’t belong, but I’m waiting for PSC to cast it,...I’m sure Jack ( HW) would catch it,...( it’s getting fixed Jack 😁) ...anyways, here’s some quick highlight pics,...I built this one during my Christmas break, which lasts all December,...😁😁😁
That's awesome Pat!!! I admire the attention to detail. You and Pete do some really cool things.
@NYC Fan posted:That's awesome Pat!!! I admire the attention to detail. You and Pete do some really cool things.
Hmm,....Pete’s got me covered by a country mile,....I look like amateur hour when he builds something,...😁
Pat
@harmonyards posted:
Pat, this is a great motion shot. Trust me, I know what bad ones are since most of mine you can't make out s##t. Looking at the driver rods, that is perfect. You can see part of them look still, but further down towards the cab, you can see a bit of a blur. The background is blurred too. This is a great shot. Be sure to tell the photographer he did a great job. 👍
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:Pat, this is a great motion shot. Trust me, I know what bad ones are since most of mine you can't make out s##t. Looking at the driver rods, that is perfect. You can see part of them look still, but further down towards the cab, you can see a bit of a blur. The background is blurred too. This is a great shot. Be sure to tell the photographer he did a great job. 👍
Thanks Dave,...mechanical engineer, yes, .....painter ...yes,...photography....that would be a negative ghost rider,...I’d better leave motion picture taking to the motion picture takers,...😉
Pat
@harmonyards posted:Sure Skip, ...I thought I did a build thread on this one, maybe I didn’t,....don’t get old, ...it sucks,...
Sorry buddy, but getting old is a whole lot better than the alternative. I have some aches, I have some pains, I have trouble bending my body, but I can still bend my elbow with a glass in my hand and enjoy family, friends and life.
Gerry
@gmorlitz posted:Sorry buddy, but getting old is a whole lot better than the alternative. I have some aches, I have some pains, I have trouble bending my body, but I can still bend my elbow with a glass in my hand and enjoy family, friends and life.
Gerry
Yes sir,...I’ll drink to that,....sure beats waking up under the dirt,....😉
Pat
With all the locomotives we build it only makes sense to have a dynamometer car!..here’s X8007 awaiting pickup to test a freshly delivered locomotive,....
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@harmonyards posted:
WOW!!! Now that's really interesting. Great job!
Looks like the Mohawks and Hudsons have been covered.
I have a limited amount of motive power, so all I can add is a heavy "Mike" .
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Very Nice Rick!
@RickO Looks like the Mohawks and Hudsons have been covered.
there’s plenty of room for more Hudsons & Mohawks,....😉.......always,...
Pat
#4399, ....a member of the K class Pacifics, waits to pick up a commuter, she once proudly pulled the named trains, until bumped by the Hudsons ........and as fate would have it, some members of the K class would survive till the near end of steam, proving their relatability in commuter duty, & lessor trains.......
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Great thread Skip and everyone’s contributions are great as well. Pat, the K class Pacific looks terrific. Here is 3rd Rail’s Mercury, also a K-5 Pacific. Happy railroading everyone!
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This thread is awesome Skip!!!......I hope it keeps up the traction,....neat stuff!..
sticking with small steam, & vintage scenes, NYC employed several Shays, ..Shay#10 works milk cars near a crossing, ....location & photographer unknown,...
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Here is my NYC ‘switcher’: a USRA 0-6-0 by MTH RailKing. As I understand it, these were only used by NYC on one of their subsidiaries, Chicago Junction, and classed as B-62’s. This is a great running engine and works great for yard duties.
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@Norton posted:
I'm a big fan of scale small steam locomotives. I love the Ten Wheelers, Consolidations, Moguls, Suburbans, Switchers, etc. They really look great and work well on our smaller layouts!
I would love to see Lionel make a smaller D-2a 2-4-4T Forney type commuter locomotive used on the Getty Square Branch Line on the Putnam Division.
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@rjsmithindy posted:
There's a NYC 0-6-0 at the train station in Utica, NY.
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@harmonyards posted:Small world Skip, grandad worked at Harmon, during the steam era. When he retired, he’d still take us down to the ( existing) facilities and we’d wonder around ....right around 79-81......we all lived in Poughkeepsie at the time,....I couldn’t get enough of it,....
Pat
Here's a great photo of the Harmon Shops! 266 and 278 are T Motors. 240 ia a P Motor.
Hal Smith photo.
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@NYC Fan posted:
That’s really cool Skip, ....that’s where grandad worked, he was a mechanic on the electrics, mostly S motors ......during the war, he got OT working in the roundhouse as a mechanic and hostler,......he loved backing down the Hudsons to couple on the north & west bounds out of Harmon,....thanks for the photo!..
Pat
Great thread. Did I miss it, or are there no Vanderbilts? Truth is, I don't much like that design. I had 2, an 18045 and 18063, but got rid of both of them. I like the Dreyfus as much as I disliked the Vandy.
Gerry
Gerry, beauty is in the eye of the beholder right? Here is my Commodore.
Here is a Big Four Hudson with a Worthington feed water heater added, which was characteristic of these Hudsons, along with not having a water scoop on the tender.
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Some diesel Freight action........Lionel ABA FTs which are TMCC engines with decent sounds and pulling power.......and two MTH diesels: a GP 30 and E8 ABA.
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@gmorlitz posted:Great thread. Did I miss it, or are there no Vanderbilts? Truth is, I don't much like that design. I had 2, an 18045 and 18063, but got rid of both of them. I like the Dreyfus as much as I disliked the Vandy.
Gerry
Just before the original 18045 was released, Neil Young brought the layout that he had on his HORDE tour to York. Lionel had it in a huge tent with a Jumbotron outside. Neil was in the tent running trains with Jim Bunte. The Commodore Vanderbilt comes by and I said something like, look at the unpainted Commodore Vanderbilt!!! To which Jim Bunte replied, "Those are the correct colors. We got the actual paint chips from Alco." Well, the thing came out and it was obviously wrong. A while later they came out with a corrected version in a darker gray.
I never liked the look of it much to start, mine coming in that silver gray color didn't help. I don't think I've ever taken it out of the box.
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@Putnam Division posted:Keep the great pics coming.........great idea for a topic, Skip!
Peter
Thanks Peter!!! Yes, keep the pics coming!
For those who fly economy class, here's my Commodore Vanderbilt. It's my first restoration so showing before and after.
Malcolm Laughlin
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@mlaughlinnyc posted:
Hmm, this engine looks really familiar to me. I'll have to post when I get home.
@rjsmithindy posted:
Just curious, I thought Lionel put out a correct gunmetal version. Is this that one? Looks a bit dark but it may just be the lighting.
Here is mine with a bit more light. Pittman motor and Legacy electronics.
https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...udson-stage-1?page=2
Pete
@NYC Fan posted:Just curious, I thought Lionel put out a correct gunmetal version. Is this that one? Looks a bit dark but it may just be the lighting.
The Lionel Commodore was a 2-4-2, coming in several versions. It was black in the first year Later there were many variations in both gunmetal and black. It was also done in red for a passenger set called the Red Comet.
@mlaughlinnyc posted:The Lionel Commodore was a 2-4-2, coming in several versions. It was black in the first year Later there were many variations in both gunmetal and black. It was also done in red for a passenger set called the Red Comet.
And blue as well, for the Blue Streak
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@BlueComet400 posted:
My Dad's boyhood train was the red comet. Here he is in 1954 after he set it up for Christmas when I was one year old. I still have it.
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Skip, thanks,
I super detailed it using NYC historical books on the Hudsons.
For example: All correct piping, wheel sanders, pony truck wheels, trailing truck wheels and brake detail etc..
Ron
Skip, that's a good-looking Red Comet; that set came with either the 261T or 265W tender; I can't tell from the photo which one you have. I have the same set, which was my Dad's, with the 261T; it's all original except for the loco, which he restored.
Some NYC / PC pics taken in the late 60's by a young teenager with a 124 roll film Argus along the Harlem and Hudson rivers. 😊
Between the Marble Hill and Spuyten Duyvil stations:
At the start of the Putnam Division:
Just south of the old Marble Hill station heading to Grand Central Station (I had to duck right after I took the pic because I had almost no room between the track and the river):
A train waiting just north of the Spuyten Duvil station for clearance to proceed down the west side freight line along the Hudson River.
An outside braced wooden box car still in main line use in the late 1960's:
Scene outside Penn Station at the beginning of the old High Line down the west side of Manhattan:
Tutbo Train in Grand Central Station:
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The late Joe Grzyboski always accused me of being a New York Central guy... I think he may have been right!!! Great thread, Skip.
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@RickO posted:
Ain’t a thread drift Rick,...the Central proper controlled them too!...moooowahhhh!!....Cornelius Vanderbilt,....in CONTROL!...exxxxxxxcellent,...
Pat
Since the Commodore Vanderbilts showed up, ...here’s the girl under the dress, post Vanderbilt, & post Mercury service,....#5344, Scullin disks, roller rods, PT tender,....in her final role before being white lined into obscurity,...
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@Ron H posted:Skip, thanks,
I super detailed it using NYC historical books on the Hudsons.
For example: All correct piping, wheel sanders, pony truck wheels, trailing truck wheels and brake detail etc..
Ron
First thing I notices were the pony truck wheels. They really make a huge difference in realistic appearance. Excellent job.
Back in 1990, Lionel offered scale pony trucks to go with the 1-700E Hudson. I bought several at the time. They look great on any Hudson.
Well, NYC Fan, this thread is growing into a beautiful bunch of NYC Diesel and Steam Locomotives, all unique and massive in their own rights. My favorite steamer, a K-Line NYC Hudson, which has been recently re-built in the Harmon Shops, at Harmonyards by The CEO Pat, is a stump puller. I’ll soon post the steamer with its new set of passenger cars. (I’ve had a small health set back, but working on a cure, not Covid, an ear situation) He took this K-Line steamer and made it one of the smoothest running, huffing, puffing, chuffing, smoking, command locomotives I’ve ever owned. Happy Railroading Everyone
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Ah, I had to pop this old one out. Way back when I think I was 6 or 7, my Uncle Dick(Richard), the biggest train guy I knew gave me this engine with track, transformer, and plastic cars. Sadly, the engine was the only thing that got saved. The track rusted(evil basement), transformer not sure exactly where it went, probably with the cars in the heap, and the engine managed to get out of the basement. I don't remember what teen years I was in, maybe before my father got sick, but I took the engine apart, that is the shell I mean. Mistakenly sanded down stuff that shouldn't have been, side plate on one side. Gave it a primer coat(advised by my future brother in law, and painted it black after. Reassembled it, and it still looks like it did all those years ago, minus the rust. I haven't had it run in years, but those old motors don't seem to die as they say.
It sits on a shelf in my room, a harsh reminder of youth to take care of your trains, something that didn't ring to anyone in the family when I was young. Basement storage was a thing with little space. Wish I had kept things like that in my bedroom, but sharing with my brother, just wasn't possible especially when there was three other siblings in the house as well. Despite all that, I can recall when that headlight shown bright on the old track, going around and around with plastic molded cars with just the two axles for each car. The entire bodies of the cars molded including the trucks. I don't believe that the two cabooses, one red, one green were NYC though. Fail to remember what was printed on them.
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@Putnam Division posted:
The Niagara is a classic. Opinion question: Wonder how many like the way Lionel painted the Vision Line Niagara?
Personally I like the looks of the Century Club Niagara, which is how they advertised the Vision Niagara in the catalog.
Century Club II Niagara
Vision Line Niagara as cataloged
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@NYC Fan posted:
Yeah, the CCII Niagara was a beauty, just the gears and the apron were bad things. I got mine fixed up by Alex M., but the apron was not going to last as it was when it came out of the factory. Somewhere I posted the improved mega smoking version in weekend photo fun after it came back from Alex before/after Christmas that year. It smoked so much, reminded me of when I ran the Sharknose Century Club versions around for a few minutes(in a circle). Niagara was just back and forth in a straight line.
@NYC Fan posted:Just curious, I thought Lionel put out a correct gunmetal version. Is this that one? Looks a bit dark but it may just be the lighting.
Skip, mine was silver like yours and I was ecstatic to find the dark gray boiler and tender shells for sale at York a few years ago. I bought them immediately.
The lighting isn’t ideal but it is a very dark gray, almost black. Here is a short video of the updated Commodore.
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@BlueComet400 posted:Skip, that's a good-looking Red Comet; that set came with either the 261T or 265W tender; I can't tell from the photo which one you have. I have the same set, which was my Dad's, with the 261T; it's all original except for the loco, which he restored.
It's a 261T. I can tell by the rounded corners at the front. the 265 was like a box at the front.
Music to my ears Pete. What cars are those behind? MTH?
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:Ah, I had to pop this old one out. Way back when I think I was 6 or 7, my Uncle Dick(Richard), the biggest train guy I knew gave me this engine with track, transformer, and plastic cars. Sadly, the engine was the only thing that got saved. The track rusted(evil basement), transformer not sure exactly where it went, probably with the cars in the heap, and the engine managed to get out of the basement. I don't remember what teen years I was in, maybe before my father got sick, but I took the engine apart, that is the shell I mean. Mistakenly sanded down stuff that shouldn't have been, side plate on one side. Gave it a primer coat(advised by my future brother in law, and painted it black after. Reassembled it, and it still looks like it did all those years ago, minus the rust. I haven't had it run in years, but those old motors don't seem to die as they say.
It sits on a shelf in my room, a harsh reminder of youth to take care of your trains, something that didn't ring to anyone in the family when I was young. Basement storage was a thing with little space. Wish I had kept things like that in my bedroom, but sharing with my brother, just wasn't possible especially when there was three other siblings in the house as well. Despite all that, I can recall when that headlight shown bright on the old track, going around and around with plastic molded cars with just the two axles for each car. The entire bodies of the cars molded including the trucks. I don't believe that the two cabooses, one red, one green were NYC though. Fail to remember what was printed on them.
If you would like to upgrade that engine, you can get the name plates, NYC oval, smokestack and chrome domes for about $30 from trainpartsformarx.com
Yes, the cars are MTH. Special order unlettered that Beth had done. I have since added a combine, looking for a baggage car to complete the set.
Pete
@mlaughlinnyc posted:If you would like to upgrade that engine, you can get the name plates, NYC oval, smokestack and chrome domes for about $30 from trainpartsformarx.com
I think someone had told me that before, maybe Peter(Putnam Division) at one of the York meets we were at together. I'll have to take a look.
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:I think someone had told me that before, maybe Peter(Putnam Division) at one of the York meets we were at together. I'll have to take a look.
Hmmm,....can motor swap, fan smoke, ERR, .....fat boy speaker in the tin tender,....could happen,...😁.....I see “ upgrades “ in a reply and my ears perk up!..
Pat
@harmonyards posted:
I'm thinking did the NYC actually convert a gas electric to a dynamometer car ? In the the 50's, they converted two Brill gas-electrics to a rail detector car (8015) and the clearance car (8016). They were re-equipped with Caterpillar diesel engines. I learned about those conversions when I spent the summer of 1960 on the 8016 measuring clearances. I think that I would have heard about it if they had also converted one to a dynamometer car.
@harmonyards posted:Hmmm,....can motor swap, fan smoke, ERR, .....fat boy speaker in the tin tender,....could happen,...😁.....I see “ upgrades “ in a reply and my ears perk up!..
Pat
Unfortunately no tin tender in mine. All were plastic cars that went the way of the dodo bird. Every York, I always have at the old tinplates for some reason. Who knows though Pat, I have a bunch of TMCC NYC engines that haven't had a chuff in a long while.