O Scale Around The Walls Layout Plans

I too have about that space, but I am trying to do it without a duck-under or lift out bridge. Haven't come up with a good plan yet.

Good luck and if you post a plan, several people will give their input.

He is a harbor railroad layout that I drew a few years ago.  It is served by a derry and its customers are industries, power plants, merchants, etc.  It could handle almost any type of delivery.  Lots of street running.  It is 10' by 10' and uses Atlas track with a few Ross switches.  That is a Timesaver on the right.

Jan

Can you possibly hinge your lift out bridge as the entrance to your round the room?

It is not what you are considering but my hinged drop section has worked well on two different layouts and may give you some thoughts on placing your bridge. The Drop Section shown  was recycled for my little round the wall 9x16 attic layout built in Jan-Feb '10 to the point of running trains but now unfinished and dormant due to health issues. Jim Barrett of OGR can show you how to hinge a bridge to swing up.Shown above is my very simplistic control panel for operating 17 remotely located track switches from the homemade panel. I use DC Tortoise Motors for each switch (about $13) which enables me to control them with simple on/off toggle switches. The direction the toggle handle is leaning tells me at a glance at the schematic which way the remote track switch is oriented---to the "thru"(mainline) or "out" (to a switch or spur). The off position of the toggle represents one position of the track switch points and the other one the on position. The DC motors are just positive and negative so to change any orientation of direction merely involves exchanging the + and (--) conductors feeding the motor.

Tortoise motors

The PER is around-the-walls of a 12'6"X11'6" room. Just a simple loop and a simple lift-out section across the doorway. There are two industrial areas and an interchange track connecting with a fiddle-yard through a hole into the next room. A total of seven track switches.

Starting with the Northeast corner:

The Interchange track switch is hidden under that mountain. The lift-out section is a piece of Pine 1X6. Now turning 180 deg:

The Southeast corner, the West End. Four industries including a real live PW Lionel 282 Gantry Crane. Another view:

It can take 40 minutes to switch those industries. Now turning and looking West at the Southwest corner:

The Paint Factory and the Fuel Wholesaler. There are eight Spots (for cars) on those two sidings. Turning 90 deg and looking North:

The Northwest corner looking at the siding where the Dinner Train is spotted when not on a run.

An operating session typically lasts a little over an hour. Very simple track-plan but lots of fun to operate (mostly switching although I am also a Looper).

ON EDIT: Withe the exception of O36 inside the mountain all curves&switches are O72. Easy to do with an around-the-walls track-plan. 

Thank you @geysergazer I like the operational potential with many car spots at multiple industries. I also like the wide radius curves so I could run the largest of equipment and just railfan the layout. Do you (or the forum) have ideas on maybe how to get a little elevation to the layout? I know I'm pushing my luck with such a small room but would love to figure out how to incorporate your ideas and then be able to get up to a second level with a coal/ore mine that I could run up, pull loaded hoppers and then run back down to a dock or power plant.         

Fireball, Here is a plan a Forum member and I have been working on.  It is to fit in an 11' 4" x 11' 6" room with a door in the lower right and a sliding glass door on the right wall.  It was drawn in SCARM using GarGraves track and Ross switches.  I think it is similar to what you just mentioned in your last post.  Please open the .pdf in the attachment box at the bottom for a better cropped view.

Thank you for sharing @Mark Boyce This is very interesting and has the same door placement as my room.  What size curves and switch radius does this represent? It looks like an elongated main line that passes over itself.  I saw Bob Bartizek do this in a much bigger room but was always intrigued by the long mainline.  I already have a Lionel lift out bridge but two would be even better   Industries could be placed in the canyon for switching and then maybe only use the top passing siding in "town in the valley", remove the bottom track and run two tracks across from that switch to create a dock for the hoppers.  What do you think?  

The outer loop is 054 and the inner is 042.  I run small steam and first generation diesel, 40' boxcars, 2-bay hoppers, and 60' passenger cars so 042 works for me.  The passing sidings use Ross #4 to save room so the siding isn't too far out into the scenery area.  The other switches are Ross 042.  The passing sidings are short, only an engine and about 4 cars and a caboose will fit, but they are level.  I think your idea is very workable.  In fact, this plan is still a work in progress for my particular needs anyway.

I added a pic and anyrail 6.15 file of layout plan with O48 curves and O36 switches in Fastrack that I put together but still feeling like its so cookie cutter.  Would love ideas on how to get some height to the layout and general track arrangement.

Well instead of changing the track height with grades, consider an open grid construction or L-Girder construction.    then you can lay the track especially the main on roadbed say 4 inches wide, but have the scenery vary above and below track level quite a bit to create idea of height differences.

I like your track for its implied operation.    I have a couple of changes I might consider.    First I would move the siding for the warehouse across from the yard to be next to the wall and pull the "passing track" or runaround as near to the other through track as possible.    I think having the passing track close to the main will look more realistic.    And putting the warehouse against the wall outside the curve will allow the track to be longer and run into the corner.    Make the warehouse a low relief flat against the wall with docks and doors modeled.      since buildings are so large in O scale, this reduces the footprint and takes advantage of space that might go to waste.    also, while you reduce the scenery in the corner at the end of the warehouse track, you could greatly increase it in the other corner.     Or you could add a track off the warehouse track back to that other corner for another industry.

I would change the yard ladder a little too.    S-curves tend to cause more derailments than straights.     I would change the switch to the track next to the yard office from an RH to an LH switch and make the ladder straight.    It would give a little more length to those tracks too.   

I think I might try to move the engine house track into an area closer to they yard but that may not be very easy.

I just noticed that all of your industries have sidings facing the same ie trailing point as is the yard.    I would consider making a couple of them facing the other way, so to switch the cars you have to do a run-around move  using the passing track to run around your train to push it the other way into a siding.   

Around the walls layouts or layouts against walls are very nice because they let you simulate large structues as flats against the wall and avoid using up valuable real estate for building footprints.     The team track/scrap dealer track could also go on the outside of the loop  you like.

Another thought just came to mind.    You can also use building facades on the front of layout as against the wall.    For example if your engine house siding was an industry, a building rear could be attached the front of the layout with doors or loading bay to the track and blank front on the aisle.

Here's my around the wall layout. Actually it's around the ceiling made with12"X12' boards and wood shelf brackets. The track layout is two main lines of Gargraves track and with switches for passing sidings. I have 2 passenger and 2 freight trains and I can run a pair of each. My only regret is that I didn't use large curves than 31" & 42", as I'm limited in the size of locomotive and car lenghts. The train room is 19' 12'

The interchange track has an "S" bend coming out of the switch. If instead of a Left switch you use a Right switch in place of the last curved track piece you eliminate the S-bend and extend the Interchange track and you are gonna' want that.  

I like the plan. Lots of switching action.

"Well instead of changing the track height with grades, consider an open grid construction or L-Girder construction." - Agreed, most of table is built but I can play around with it to show valleys.  Benchwork is 48" high so I definitely have room. 

First I would move the siding for the warehouse across from the yard to be next to the wall and pull the "passing track" or runaround as near to the other through track as possible. Great idea, I will adjust this

And putting the warehouse against the wall outside the curve will allow the track to be longer and run into the corner. Love it!! Low relief, more scenery or another industry in the opposite corner is a win.    

I would change the yard ladder a little too.    S-curves tend to cause more derailments than straights.     I would change the switch to the track next to the yard office from an RH to an LH switch and make the ladder straight.    It would give a little more length to those tracks too. Excellent idea, I have not built the peninsula yet so I can make some adjustments there.   

I think I might try to move the engine house track into an area closer to they yard but that may not be very easy. Let me try that too.

I just noticed that all of your industries have sidings facing the same ie trailing point as is the yard.    I would consider making a couple of them facing the other way, so to switch the cars you have to do a run-around move  using the passing track to run around your train to push it the other way into a siding. That new industry across from warehouse I think fits this category and I can reverse the scrap dealer too to make it more challenging.   

Around the walls layouts or layouts against walls are very nice because they let you simulate large structues as flats against the wall and avoid using up valuable real estate for building footprints.     The team track/scrap dealer track could also go on the outside of the loop  you like. I tried to keep this spur inside the main so I could switch while loop running but since its such a small layout representing one town I could get out on the main to do some switching.  Will have to consider this one.

Thank you very much, this was so valuable.  I will update the file over the next 24 hours and repost.

Lew

It will fit. It will actually bring the interchange track a bit closer to the main line.

I have taken the feedback above and updated the AnyRail file and posted a pic with the changes.  Couple of observations/questions:

1. Made all outer curves O-36 from O-48 to make everything fit.  Will tinker with this because I wanted to be able to run some larger equipment if possible.

2. Left side mainline is closer to the passing siding, spur relocated to the left of the mainline with the low relief idea and opposite track and corresponding industry.

3. Changed the yard ladder and moved engine house spur to the peninsula, eliminated spur where engine house was on right side of layout.

4. Updated the interchange to eliminate S curve and expanded in both directions.

5. Eliminated scrap switch and just ran track down and around, may add back in based on how many switches I can afford.

If everyone could check it out again and provide feedback it would be greatly appreciated.  Also, with such a long interchange now do I really need a yard?  Any ideas for the peninsula?

I am also thinking of reducing width of the lower section of the layout (that houses the bridge) from 24" to 18" so there is more room to wander the inside of the layout but would like to hear opinions on giving away space in a train room versus free movement.  Thank you all for your help!!

@prrjim @geysergazer @Mark Boyce

A thought on the yard, you still have an "S" curve.     Depending on the radius, could you replace the first curved section on the penisula with a corresponding switch and start the ladder there?

I think the width of the lower section could be reduced, it is only scenery and you can do a lot in 12 inches.    On the other hand the area at the top with the scrap  yard could be widen to give  you more room for detailing.

I would not have the interchange have the facing section as on the left side.      I would make the interchange track as longer and possibly two tracks side by side.     My operation would be to have inbound cars come off the interchange and be set out at the online industries.    Then the pickups from the industries would go to the interchange.     I would like an interchange track long enough to hold all the cars needed to serve all the industries.

If the interchange was long enough and it looks like it is, I would have cars "layover" there one operating session.     In other words I would pull one track for this operating session, and fill it back.    then next session I would pull the other interchange track and fill it.     That way cars going on the interchange are not popping right back the next you switch.    And you don't have to handle them by hand if you just use alternate tracks.  

I envision two jobs.    Job 1 would be for a train to take the outbound cars from the yard to the interchange and set them out.   then bring back the cars from the interchange to the yard and perhaps sort them for easy switching at the industries.    The other job would take inbound cars from the yard and deliver them to the industries and pick up the outbounds at the industries and take them to the  yard for the next interchange job.     You would start by staging cars on the interchange and also a set of inbounds and a set of outbounds in the yard.     Then put appropriate cars at the various industries.       Maybe you run 5-8 car trains.      The train lengths will be what you like.  

Another slightly different option is to not have a yard at all.      Just have maybe one track for a caboose or some storage and the engine house and one or two more industries.     Then run only job,    A crew would get an engine at the engine house and a caboose (if you RR uses them) and go around the industries doing pickups.    Then they would go to the interchange, pull one of the interchange tracks, and set out what they just picked up.    Then they would go back around to the industries and setout the cars that were just picked up.

You will want some sort of simple car routing system.    The most simple I think is you just replace car type for car type.    For example a if you pickup up a boxcar, you put a different boxcar off the interchange in that spot and do the same for Gondolas etc.     Or  you get fancy and use car cards with waybills, or a switchlist that you may generate with computer software or write by hand.

Depending on your back-story for the Pike I'd skip the yard. A shortline picking up cars from interchange, taking them down the line and setting them out at industries wouldn't really need a yard. Or more correctly, where yard services would be needed is at Interchange.

My two-cents-worth: I don't like switchback sidings. The prototype doesn't use them because giant time suck and I have had the same experience. Drilling (ordering cars) OTOH is very prototypical and I find it [I suppose esthetically] satisfying and thus, fun. OTOH, some people find the move-the-empty-spot of switching puzzles fun so it's different-strokes-for-different-folks (wow, does that ever date me! ).