O Scale Freight Car Guide: Intermodal Cars

Originally Posted by Ron Balderrama:
Originally Posted by Hot Water:
Originally Posted by Ron Balderrama:

Probably some sort of weight limitation, I'll bet.  And I'm guessing that notice not being on previous Gundersons was an oversight; the Pecos River Brass bulkhead cars carried that warning years ago. 

More likely that a 20 foot container should NOT be loaded in the space for a 45 foot container.

Sorry, but on these bulkhead cars, the bottom well will only accommodate a 40' container!   

The bulkheads may make it difficult to unload 20's, i.e. only certain types of loaders may be able to grab them and not all facilities are so equipped. Since there are so many non-bulkhead options available now, just don't load them in that type of car.

 

This would beg the question, why would MTH sell their sets with two 20's on the bottom and a 40' on top? Maybe they didn't get the memo.

Got some of the Atlas-O 20’ intermodal containers when I stopped by Mr. Muffin’s Trains last weekend. These were supposed to be associated with the tooling Atlas acquired from Weaver. The containers are now part of Atlas-O Trainman line, unlike the earlier 40’ & 45’ containers that were part of the Master Line. There are 2 containers in 1 box, the box being the same size as the boxes for the earlier 40’ & 45’ containers.

I have never owned the old Weaver containers but the doors on these Atlas containers don’t open as hobbyists have preferred on these forums.

The containers have Atlas markings on the underside.

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The tops of the containers have oblong slots unlike the holes on prior Atlas containers. They don’t come with the pins that came loose in the box with the Atlas 40’ & 45’ containers.

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The underside has 4 pins molded into the plastic, around 2mm diameter like the metal pins on the underside of the containers in Lionel’s ~48’ Husky stack cars. This makes the container stick up when placed on a flat surface & the Atlas-O containers being scale-size, all 4 these pins do not fit well in the slots on the Lionel Husky cars.

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Steve (Mr. Muffin) mentioned that these should fit in the Atlas Gunderson cars but all my Gunderson cars are currently in their boxes & I wasn’t too motivated to unpack & assemble them to test these 20’ containers.

 Here are these containers in Lionel ~48’ Husky stack cars along with the earlier 40’ & 45’ containers.

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These are just my opinion,

Thanks,

Naveen Rajan

 

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The reason the Lionel husky stack containers do not work is because they are not scale length (see the top container).  If you add a bit in the middle to bring them to 40' between the pin mounts they work perfectly.

Lionel and Atlas containers

And the elongated holes in the top are to match the pins on the original Weaver containers. 

Such a small difference that I wonder if the Lionel's were a simple mistake? Their containers do match their cars? So with guys bugging them to make a new container crane, it would only work with their containers anyways. I guess we need to make our own!

 The detailing on the Weaver containers look good. Did they upgrade them or were they that way before?

" on Sour mash and cheap wine " ??

Why go back to DCC when I have DCS!

Does anyone make the original paint scheme Sea Land containers.  So you could buy them without the cars.  Lionel cars?  To add to the original posters labor comments, back in the day, mid 70s,  I hired out as an extra for a month or so on the Sacramento Docks. It was hit and miss depending on how may longshoremen showed that day.   I had a two day selection once.  It was a pretty big ship to load, and looking down into the hold from the deck was somewhat breathtaking for a farm kid from Nebraska.   Anyway, I worked two day shifts and even with multiple shifts, it took more than two days to finish loading.  The cranes swung in large pallets of rice bags, about 60 pounds or so each.  One by one the bags were taken off the pallets and re-stacked neatly in the hold. The ship was  bound for India where hand work was again necessary, I assume,  to unload. 

rdunniii posted:

I just saw this over on Railpictures

53' containers on spline cars

and thought if Atlas has the K-line spline car tooling and with the upcoming 53' containers all they need to add is the wheel frames and Viola!

I think there is a chassis trailer like the following model between the CSX container & the spine cars.

http://www.cheetahchassis.com/...k-container-chassis/

Swafford had been requesting these intermodal trailers when Ted started this intermodal freight car guide & I would also be interested in a lot if they aren’t too expensive. It would be neat to stack them vertically on racks as in the following photo I found on Flickr, of an intermodal yard near Chicago.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/...8NU4Zb-8NQZBH-8NQZfc

These are just my opinion,

Thanks,

Naveen Rajan

naveenrajan posted:

Got some of the Atlas-O 20’ intermodal containers when I stopped by Mr. Muffin’s Trains last weekend. These were supposed to be associated with the tooling Atlas acquired from Weaver. The containers are now part of Atlas-O Trainman line, unlike the earlier 40’ & 45’ containers that were part of the Master Line. There are 2 containers in 1 box, the box being the same size as the boxes for the earlier 40’ & 45’ containers.

I have never owned the old Weaver containers but the doors on these Atlas containers don’t open as hobbyists have preferred on these forums.

The containers have Atlas markings on the underside.

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The tops of the containers have oblong slots unlike the holes on prior Atlas containers. They don’t come with the pins that came loose in the box with the Atlas 40’ & 45’ containers.

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The underside has 4 pins molded into the plastic, around 2mm diameter like the metal pins on the underside of the containers in Lionel’s ~48’ Husky stack cars. This makes the container stick up when placed on a flat surface & the Atlas-O containers being scale-size, all 4 these pins do not fit well in the slots on the Lionel Husky cars.

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Steve (Mr. Muffin) mentioned that these should fit in the Atlas Gunderson cars but all my Gunderson cars are currently in their boxes & I wasn’t too motivated to unpack & assemble them to test these 20’ containers.

 Here are these containers in Lionel ~48’ Husky stack cars along with the earlier 40’ & 45’ containers.

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These are just my opinion,

Thanks,

Naveen Rajan

 

The Lionel Husky-Stacks were configured on the inside floor to accommodate their under length 48' containers, they scale out to 46' ,1/2 inch short. This was done to move end bulkheads in 1/4" to allow 3 rail large flange trucks to negotiate their sharp curves 0-36+, if you measure the outside markings for container length on these cars you will see they all come up short 40/20, 45 ,48. just saying!

naveenrajan posted:
rdunniii posted:

I just saw this over on Railpictures

53' containers on spline cars

and thought if Atlas has the K-line spline car tooling and with the upcoming 53' containers all they need to add is the wheel frames and Viola!

I think there is a chassis trailer like the following model between the CSX container & the spine cars.

http://www.cheetahchassis.com/...k-container-chassis/

Swafford had been requesting these intermodal trailers when Ted started this intermodal freight car guide & I would also be interested in a lot if they aren’t too expensive. It would be neat to stack them vertically on racks as in the following photo I found on Flickr, of an intermodal yard near Chicago.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/...8NU4Zb-8NQZBH-8NQZfc

These are just my opinion,

Thanks,

Naveen Rajan

Yup,  that's the part I called a wheel frame.  Had no clue what they were actually called.  And I also agree those would be nice standalone general modeling stuff.   Most 40' plus model containers already have the section in the floor to accept them.  20' chassis would also be nice to put them on spline or flat cars.  A good candidate for 3D printing but probably expensive going that route.

I have put together a tutorial on making O scale cardboard containers. Printing on card stock, reinforcing, adding weight, magnets, metallic trim, door locking rods, and more. I posted it on the Hi Rail, Traditional O gauge forum, should have put it on this forum.  I just added 30 printable files for O scale 20 foot containers. These are great for filling the bottom well in both the Atlas and MTH twin stacks. Much easier to change out and frees up some of your 40 footers for other duty or stacking around the layout.

EASY, How to make your own O Scale RR intermodal/shipping containers (20 to 53 foot)

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/t...ainers-20-to-53-foot

My 45, 48, and 53 foot containers on MTH premier and Lionel Husky stack cars

Atlas Twin Stack cars with my containers in various sizes.

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This is a great thread.   This ismamkline flat car that accepts stakes and 40' older Kline containers.   They obviously aren't maxi but was wondering how these Kline containers (which open) compare to the atlas and Lionel containers.  Does anyone have photos to share ? I presume they are inter operable but wouod like to see a size comparison if Indecide to rig something.  Thanks!image

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Tom E posted:

This is a great thread.   This ismamkline flat car that accepts stakes and 40' older Kline containers.   They obviously aren't maxi but was wondering how these Kline containers (which open) compare to the atlas and Lionel containers.  Does anyone have photos to share ? I presume they are inter operable but wouod like to see a size comparison if Indecide to rig something.  Thanks!image

Pictures are below. Atlas containers are more finely rendered, but both would be scale sized. The K Line container may be slightly wider. The pins are radically different in size. The K Line pins won't fit the Atlas container. Probably to stack them just use a loop of reversed tape between them.

The K-Line container fits in MTH Premier Husky Stack cars and also the old Right of Way Industries cars (which I think are the cars now offered by Menards). I don't think they fit the Atlas Twin Stack cars at least in the well. The Atlas 40 footer doesn't fit the ROW car well  because of the door hardware. A pair of Atlas (formerly Weaver) 20 footers will fit in the ROW car and an an Atlas 40 or 53 footer fits nicely on top (with the pins). 

IMG_7764MTH car, K Line on the bottom, Atlas on top  

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IMG_7760K Line on top, Atlas bottom

IMG_7763Atlas left, K Line right

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IMG_675053 and 20 footers on ROW car (very prototypical)   

Hope this helps. 

RM

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I've got some close-up photos of a Norfolk Southern-painted Chetah chassis and container that I took on my ancient clam shell phone.  The chassis, with it's RR-related detailing, struck me as a nice modeling feature -- albeit a tiny deatil. If I can find them, I'll post them. The photo link that Naveen posted showing stacked groups of them was really amazing.

While commuting, I keep my eyes open for NFS and CSX painted chassises; JB Hunt seems to own a lot of them as well.  

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A forgotten 1980's interim  intermodal car, the NTTX Spine car single level 20 , 40', & 48' containers. Two 20' containers or a 40' or a 48' on the "A", "B" and "D" units. 40' & 48' containers only on the "C" &" E" units. I have not seen these cars since the "turn of the Century" Mabe they were converted to TTAX sets?

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Thanks for reactivating this topic. While we are pleased that Atlas-O’s introduced models of modern intermodal equipment, with their 53’ containers, Canadian Tire, a Canada-only, store-chain, has started testing 60’ long intermodal containers, earlier this year.

CP Press Release

I can’t verify it but online articles claim that in 1994, Canadian Tire pioneered the introduction, testing & proved the viability of the 53’ intermodal containers and now many railroads & shipping companies in North America, use these 53’ containers. If Canadian Tire is successful with their tests with these 60’ containers, we might see more of them on trains in the future.

Before someone on this forum objects the legality of transporting these containers on trucks, here in the US, based on some local, state or federal law, I want to reiterate that Canadian Tire appears to only have stores in Canada, none in the US & we might not be seeing these containers on trains or on trucks, here in the US. The articles from the time of the press-release in May 2017, stated that these 60’ containers were only approved for road transport in the Canadian provinces of Alberta & Ontario, & only with trucks that had a day-cab, which leads me to wonder if Canadian Pacific might have had some influence in not getting the trucks with these 60’ containers to be allowed in the 2 provinces between them, Saskatchewan & Manitoba, requiring these containers to be transported by rail.

In the following photo, look how long the 60’ container looks, with the regular 53’ container in the lower position on the well car.

The custom 60’ containers were fabricated at a Mississippi company, American Intermodal Container Manufacturing Company (AICM).

The custom trailers that would be compatible with the current 53’ containers & these experimental 60’ containers were made by a Quebec company, Max-Atlas.

These are just my opinion,

Naveen

Atlas-O 53’ containers are available in more than 6 road numbers

Just found out that even though Atlas-O’s website for the 53’ intermodal containers mentions “Six road numbers are available per road name.”, there are 8 road numbers to choose from. Last month, when I visited Mr. Muffin’s Trains to purchase the white CSX containers from an earlier run, I noticed that in addition to the 3006301-1,-2,-3,-4,-5 & -6 Item #s, there was a -7, which I was not expecting. The salesperson looked up the Atlas-O website & assumed that it might have been a printing mistake.

But last week I saw -7 & -8, again, this time, at Des Plaines Hobbies.

This week, while on the phone with Atlas-O to get an updated delivery date on the Maxi-IV well cars & the 53’ containers from the most recent announcement, I learnt that while the 6-pack packs of these 53’ containers only contain 6 unique road numbers, the container assortment packs contain 2 more road numbers for each road name.

Thanks,

Naveen

I know these well cars aren't in the same class as most of those shown in this post but a picture of the early Right of Way Industries well cars reminded me of some cars that were recently brought to market by Menards (lower picture):

I think the ROW cars were from the early 90's and got a more or less lukewarm reception.

Here's another shot of some ROW well cars...

Right Of Way Industries Set of Three Deep Well Cars with Containers

With the chrome effect walk areas they appear to be dead ringers for the Menards car.

Wonder if that's where they got the idea and or molds to have them made?

Mark

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clem k posted:

Thanks Naveen... i guess i have to get to Stockyard Express.

Clem  

Clem,

I don’t know which road names you are looking for but Empire Hobbies in Troy, MI (formerly known as Merri-Seven, in Livonia) had some of these 53’ Atlas-O containers when I visited them, 2 months ago.

These are just my opinion,

Thanks,

Naveen

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