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@HSD68 posted:

Here are some Walthers decals I bought to do another B&O.  The $3.00 price gives away their age.  I understand that you can spray them with gloss coat and still use them.  I read that Walthers decals are thin and tear easily when old.



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I have a set just like them and I would spray them before I used them I have several Walthers decals but never used them yet

@RSJB18 posted:

Nice work Lee. I've posted this car before but this looks like a good thread to drop it again.

I took the trailer off of this flat and put two Lionel chassis on. The trailer was too tall to clear my upper level so I made it work.

Bob

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Bob thanks for stopping by and sharing your pics I remember when you built that glad to see it again if you have anymore Lionel O27 Flatcars post them like Mark said this is a good place to post them.

@mike g. posted:

Lee great projects! You always do amazing work!

Bob, thats a sharp looking flat car!

Artie, nice shot of your flat cars and of your layout!

I have a silly question as I have no idea how to tell the difference. How do you tell a 027 flatcar?

Mike there more smaller and narrower than Standard O and there near S Scale with O gauge trucks I’m sure some can explain it better

7AC2096F-F316-4C2C-8C4E-F7AA44784C3D6C65C76D-2F11-4325-B872-33EDFC49484C8FADD9A6-AB4D-45BA-B187-7DE2DA9E1A12This is what I’m working on tonight M&M Transport of Somerville Massachusetts. It’s  very cold out so this will be my stopping point till I can get the roof and wheels paint. I’m not quite sure if they had maroon trailers for this particular logo they had but the wife came home with some Dollar General dark red that looked pretty good so I painted it they also had a red and cream logo too that I know went on to a silver trailer I’ll be picking out a good East Coast Lionel flat car for this.

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Mike, the photo I took of my piggyback cars are Lionel scale PS-4 cars. They have excellent detail, and the good trucks with hidden uncoupler plates. The trailers are scale (1:48), as well. They date back to the early 2000’s.

Lee, that trailer and the flat look great. I like the idea of real wood for the flatcar deck.

While they're not TOFCs they are flats with loads that run on 027 track.  First are two are Menard's USAF 14-1/2" flat cars that each had an ISO tank.  I combined the two tanks onto one car and put a K-Line missle launcher on the other.

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Next is a MTH RK depressed center flat that had a 1/64 tractor on it that I replaced with a LEGO submarines.  I'm pretty sure it'll clear 027 switches.

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I'll have to dig out some TOFCs or some of my intermodal spines and get some photos.

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Lee, your M&M trailer is looking outstanding! and your custom-made flatcar is just great! But I do have a question, how did you reattach the trucks?

Artie, thanks for the information! They sure are a great set of cars!

Coach, your imagination for loads to put on your cars are great! I don't know if I am ready to think that far out of the box yet! LOL

@coach joe posted:

While they're not TOFCs they are flats with loads that run on 027 track.  First are two are Menard's USAF 14-1/2" flat cars that each had an ISO tank.  I combined the two tanks onto one car and put a K-Line missle launcher on the other.

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Next is a MTH RK depressed center flat that had a 1/64 tractor on it that I replaced with a LEGO submarines.  I'm pretty sure it'll clear 027 switches.

LEGO SUBMARINEON DEPRESSED FLAT

I'll have to dig out some TOFCs or some of my intermodal spines and get some photos.

Looks good coach I’m just glad you posted them

@Artie-DL&W posted:

Mike, the photo I took of my piggyback cars are Lionel scale PS-4 cars. They have excellent detail, and the good trucks with hidden uncoupler plates. The trailers are scale (1:48), as well. They date back to the early 2000’s.

Lee, that trailer and the flat look great. I like the idea of real wood for the flatcar deck.

Thanks Artie this is a really fun project

@mike g. posted:

Lee, your M&M trailer is looking outstanding! and your custom-made flatcar is just great! But I do have a question, how did you reattach the trucks?

Artie, thanks for the information! They sure are a great set of cars!

Coach, your imagination for loads to put on your cars are great! I don't know if I am ready to think that far out of the box yet! LOL

Mike I think I used some screws I got at my local Feed Store but I will have to double check

Lee, yes those are Farmall’s  I was at a show a few years ago and there were a bunch on a table for sale. I had seen flatcars with tractors in some pictures and decided to buy them. Really just bought the Farmall’s because there were plenty of them versus the others and I wanted it to look like a factory shipment. They are cool looking. Just not sure of when they were built or where.

Sorry I misread the title of 027 flatcars and posted. Glad you enjoyed them though.

@Dave_C posted:

Lee, yes those are Farmall’s  I was at a show a few years ago and there were a bunch on a table for sale. I had seen flatcars with tractors in some pictures and decided to buy them. Really just bought the Farmall’s because there were plenty of them versus the others and I wanted it to look like a factory shipment. They are cool looking. Just not sure of when they were built or where.

Sorry I misread the title of 027 flatcars and posted. Glad you enjoyed them though.

Thanks I don’t care if there not o27 I was glad you shared them

Nice work on your "027" trailers Lee. You wrote previously on my photo thread, that my work had inspired you. And now, your alterations shown here have inspired me.

Some photos below that may have been on my other thread...

Shortened Lionel Trailer Train flat car

Above, a traditional Lionel flat car that I cut a piece out of, to shorten and get it more to proper "027 scale." Since taking this photo I have painted the treadplate ends of the flatcar a blackened silver. May not be accurate, but I like it better. The trailer is one I found many years ago at a dollar store, that is perfect "027 scale." Slightly smaller than the traditional type Lionel containers. I wish I had gotten more of them at that time, as I have never seen them again since.

Shortened Trailer Train flat car

Above, an originally much longer flat car, that I chopped down to more "027 scale" proportions. The trailer is one of the traditional type containers made by Lionel for many years. I also cut the length of that down, managing to keep the original factory lettering, but painted the roof of the trailer silver to help hide the cut line which was more visible on the roof.

027 Deep Well Container Car

Above is fun project that had been on my mind for years... an 027-friendly deep well car, albeit a representation versus an accurate scale replica. The flat car is an MPC era 8-inch one. I used styrene on the sides for the alterations, and other scrap parts, like some cut down K-Line metal ladders from their boxcars. The bottom container trailer is one of the Lionel 027 ones, that I cut the bottom off of. It fits snuggly over a piece of foam board that is glued to the flatcar surface. This is so I can change the bottom CSX container if I wish. The top container has the wheels and everything else on the bottom, cut off. It stays put on the lower container via some pieces of hobby foam glued to the bottom of the upper container. Since this photo was taken, I have added JB Hunt decals to this trailer.

Trailer Train flat converted from dump car

I have several of this type of car, which started off as the frames from the Lionel spring activated dump cars, BUT which had the dump tabs broken off of when I bought them. I make various alterations to the flat car, so that I can use a variety of containers or trailers on them. The container shown above is one of the traditionally sized Lionel type.

Now when I get the Lionel dump cars of this type, I make supports to reinforce the tabs for the dump frame on the car itself. It's much easier to replace the dump frame if the tabs break on those (or even fix them, though kind of a pain), than it is to repair the ones on the car itself... and get the repaired tabs to match the existing color of the car. Much easier to take preventative steps.

CNJ 027 Flat Car with NH Trailer

I believe this was the photo Lee that you commented on previously. I like what you did with the wheels on your trailers, and my have to make some alterations to mine. I have these Lionel pup 027  trailers repainted in Reading, Norfolk Southern, CSX, Conrail, Chessie System, Jersey Central, Burlington Northern, JB Hunt and many others now.

Given that Lionel's tooling dollars are completely lopsided to the high-end side, we 027 and traditionally sized operators really have to take matters into our own hands. I have always found it somewhat ironic that I get so many positive comments about my alterations from HO scale guys. The very first time I did a show with a traveling layout I had, the HO guys were just raving about it. "Hey, take a look at what this Lionel guy is doing... you've never seen anything like this."

I've asked a few of them as to why.  They have told me that even though what I am doing isn't to precision scale, I am doing what they have done for years: Being a model railroader.

Thanks Lee for showing us your projects. Call me inspired. May be others will be too.

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Nice work on your "027" trailers Lee. You wrote previously on my photo thread, that my work had inspired you. And now, your alterations shown here have inspired me.

Some photos below that may have been on my other thread...

Shortened Lionel Trailer Train flat car

Above, a traditional Lionel flat car that I cut a piece out of, to shorten and get it more to proper "027 scale." Since taking this photo I have painted the treadplate ends of the flatcar a blackened silver. May not be accurate, but I like it better. The trailer is one I found many years ago at a dollar store, that is perfect "027 scale." Slightly smaller than the traditional type Lionel containers. I wish I had gotten more of them at that time, as I have never seen them again since.

Shortened Trailer Train flat car

Above, an originally much longer flat car, that I chopped down to more "027 scale" proportions. The trailer is one of the traditional type containers made by Lionel for many years. I also cut the length of that down, managing to keep the original factory lettering, but painted the roof of the trailer silver to help hide the cut line which was more visible on the roof.

027 Deep Well Container Car

Above is fun project that had been on my mind for years... an 027-friendly deep well car, albeit a representation versus an accurate scale replica. The flat car is an MPC era 8-inch one. I used styrene on the sides for the alterations, and other scrap parts, like some cut down K-Line metal ladders from their boxcars. The bottom container trailer is one of the Lionel 027 ones, that I cut the bottom off of. It fits snuggly over a piece of foam board that is glued to the flatcar surface. This is so I can change the bottom CSX container if I wish. The top container has the wheels and everything else on the bottom, cut off. It stays put on the lower container via some pieces of hobby foam glued to the bottom of the upper container. Since this photo was taken, I have added JB Hunt decals to this trailer.

Trailer Train flat converted from dump car

I have several of this type of car, which started off as the frames from the Lionel spring activated dump cars, BUT which had the dump tabs broken off of when I bought them. I make various alterations to the flat car, so that I can use a variety of containers or trailers on them. The container shown above is one of the traditionally sized Lionel type.

Now when I get the Lionel dump cars of this type, I make supports to reinforce the tabs for the dump frame on the car itself. It's much easier to replace the dump frame if the tabs break on those (or even fix them, though kind of a pain), than it is to repair the ones on the car itself... and get the repaired tabs to match the existing color of the car. Much easier to take preventative steps.

CNJ 027 Flat Car with NH Trailer

I believe this was the photo Lee that you commented on previously. I like what you did with the wheels on your trailers, and my have to make some alterations to mine. I have these Lionel pup 027  trailers repainted in Reading, Norfolk Southern, CSX, Conrail, Chessie System, Jersey Central, Burlington Northern, JB Hunt and many others now.

Given that Lionel's tooling dollars are completely lopsided to the high-end side, we 027 and traditionally sized operators really have to take matters into our own hands. I have always found it somewhat ironic that I get so many positive comments about my alterations from HO scale guys. The very first time I did a show with a traveling layout I had, the HO guys were just raving about it. "Hey, take a look at what this Lionel guy is doing... you've never seen anything like this."

I've asked a few of them as to why.  They have told me that even though what I am doing isn't to precision scale, I am doing what they have done for years: Being a model railroader.

Thanks Lee for showing us your projects. Call me inspired. May be others will be too.

Brian thanks for sharing your story and pics. I’ve always had this idea in my head for years but never persuaded it. My life has changed since I go Covid I deal with post Covid every day and life is just too short anymore so that’s why I’m really going to focus on building as many of these as I can. This is what it’s all about inspiring each other and sharing ideas. I’ll be posting more later.

@coach joe posted:

Lee, those Lyon decals make that pup look sharp.

I notice David's Nickel Plate pups have a squarer nose and tandem axles.  I wonder how many of the Lionel TOFCs came that way?

Thanks Joe I can’t wait to get the wheels on it and seal the decals but it’s very cold here so I’ll have to wait to seal them when it warms up. I just bought a Western Maryland and it is a square nose with tandem wheels. I have 2 sets of Nickel Plate I think there’s a Lionel trailer that’s a square nose. I plan on making these square nosed ones my “West Coast” trailers. I hope you guys follow along. If you have any pics of these O27 Lionel piggybacks please post them

@coach joe posted:

I notice David's Nickel Plate pups have a squarer nose and tandem axles.  I wonder how many of the Lionel TOFCs came that way?

As a rough guideline, Lionel’s pup trailers are: tandem axle, square nose on trailer; single axle, rounded nose on trailer. The trailers and flatcars are not interchangeable, because of the relative position of the chocks on the different trailers, to accommodate the different axle configurations.

Tandem axle vans - Wabash, Western Maryland, NKP, Katy, Frisco, NY Central Flatcar w/ Gleason/Sasib vans. There may be others I’m unaware of.

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As a rough guideline, Lionel’s pup trailers are: tandem axle, square nose on trailer; single axle, rounded nose on trailer. The trailers and flatcars are not interchangeable, because of the relative position of the chocks on the different trailers, to accommodate the different axle configurations.

Tandem axle vans - Wabash, Western Maryland, NKP, Katy, Frisco, NY Central Flatcar w/ Gleason/Sasib vans. There may be others I’m unaware of.

Thanks for the info I’ve also seen a Lionel Lines in a tandem

Thank you for this topic. I'm new in this but trailers on flatcars are some of my favorites. I had already bought Lionel 6-26951 that is a T.T.X. flatcar carrying PRR trailer# 15104. Then I bought MTH 30-7626 that is a PRR flatcar and was surprised to see that the PRR trailer on it has the same # 15104. I guess they modeled the same prototype, even though the logos on the trailers are in different locations.

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After running these piggyback cars for the first time I have discovered that the trailers don't stay on the flat cars to well. I have been experimenting with making wheel chocks that  will better hold the trailers to the flat cars. These are 3D printed and mount to the slots on the flat car the same as the original wheel chocks.

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After running these piggyback cars for the first time I have discovered that the trailers don't stay on the flat cars to well. I have been experimenting with making wheel chocks that  will better hold the trailers to the flat cars. These are 3D printed and mount to the slots on the flat car the same as the original wheel chocks.

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I added a little hot glue to keep mine in place, you can always take it off if wanted.

After running these piggyback cars for the first time I have discovered that the trailers don't stay on the flat cars to well. I have been experimenting with making wheel chocks that  will better hold the trailers to the flat cars. These are 3D printed and mount to the slots on the flat car the same as the original wheel chocks.

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David that is a great idea did it improve the ride?

As long as we're doing this it's probably worth including a picture of the guys who got this whole thing started - the Cooper-Jarrett van cars in gray and white.

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for whatever reason the white in the picture is not the bright white of the actual vans.

Yes Robert thanks for sharing. I always like the Orange and silver placard ones the best. I have plans to make a Cooper Jarrett but not like these

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lee drennen: The new wheel chocks held the trailers better but the front end of the trailers would still slide from side to side.
I then made a chock for the front also and it was a lot better. I then discovered that with the front tied down the original chocks worked OK.

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The front chock attaches with a 6-32 x 3/8 in screw and nut through an existing hole in the flat car.
I have attached an (.stl) file that can be 3D printed if anyone else would like to try it out.

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