OH NO IS MTH COMPLETELY DONE WITH TINPLATE ?!

JohnnieWalker posted:

I posted this elsewhere no too long ago,  how nice it would be to have a choice of small diesel switchers in standard gauge ?  A 44 tonner,  or a GP7 or 9 ?   I see plenty of electrics and steamers out there, all good but seeing a diesel would be a fresh new start .  Building my own is now becoming more of a reality .  Maybe this winter I will build a prototype out of wood.  If this happens I will post it.  

I re gauged a Lionel large scale gp.20

To STD ga. Bridge rectifier. And extended the axles. Center pick up . I had to cut the trucks. To extend. Those can be molded to size..

That can be done with a kit. .. Change out trucks..boom..STD gp..or any other large scale conversion..

 

Riki

riki posted:
JohnnieWalker posted:

I posted this elsewhere no too long ago,  how nice it would be to have a choice of small diesel switchers in standard gauge ?  A 44 tonner,  or a GP7 or 9 ?   I see plenty of electrics and steamers out there, all good but seeing a diesel would be a fresh new start .  Building my own is now becoming more of a reality .  Maybe this winter I will build a prototype out of wood.  If this happens I will post it.  

I re gauged a Lionel large scale gp.20

To STD ga. Bridge rectifier. And extended the axles. Center pick up . I had to cut the trucks. To extend. Those can be molded to size..

That can be done with a kit. .. Change out trucks..boom..STD gp..or any other large scale conversion..

 

Yes, but this doesn’t result in a metal model, and certainly not one with that classic tinplate look. Additionally a huge part of tinplate is O gauge.  While, certainly a niche market, there is money to be had with new products.

May God Bless us all.

I am not worried.  I think if there is a market for tinplate trains, someone will always fill the need. 

For example, Pat's Trains has recently offered for sale on this forum several new SG trains based on MTH 400E locomotives pulling 4 passenger cars.  Among those offered are an Army set and a Navy set, which I have on order.   

And lets not forget the truly custom Standard Gauge locomotives and passenger cars being built by Jim Waterman.  I have placed an order with Jim for a set of 1952 Olympian Hiawatha passenger cars, which I will be pulling with my MTH Milwaukee Road Super 381E.

So let's not worry, there still are craftsmen like Jim and dealers/companies like Pat's Trains/MTH ready and eager to fill the need for tinplate trains.  We just need to keep them in business by placing orders with them for new tinplate trains!

Bob Nelson

 

overlandflyer posted:

thank god... in the 1920's the 400E may have been state of the art, but it is one of the most ridiculous wheel arrangement in locomotive history.  add to that it's long past due to put a halt to all the idiotic liveries it has been forced to wear.  i can't help but relate what this locomotive has gone through to that poor dog you always see around the holidays dressed in a sweater to match their owner.

Kind of have to agree with you. The Reading Railroad built a 4-4-4 but quickly converted it back to a 4-4-2. the 400E is good because it's large and shiny. Thanks to MTH for having reproduced it - they are now ubiquitous and cheap. As a boy, I would dream of owning one, but due to scarcity and collector lust, they were always well out of range. My dad and I went to the Chicago 1970 TCA convention and word had it that a really nice set went for $10,000 at the very start of the meet. That is like $80,000 today, and yes, the very finest sets still go for that money in original perfect boxes with perfect trains. But I can pick up a good used MTH 400E almost any time for about $500, and recently bought 4 State cars for under $150 each. That would have been about $125 in 1970 terms. Dirt cheap, and they are like new and run great. Not picking up any pink ones any time soon, though.

 

Jim

Jim Waterman

Lee Lines Limited

Custom Built Standard Gauge

 

Facts:

MTH got the Lionel trademark for 10 years as part of settlement of a lawsuit - for free. He made a pile of trains with the Lionel name over that time.

Market is pretty saturated now, and almost every color has been used up. The stuff is not moving, same old trains

Lionel likely wanted a good sum for Mike to continue the name. No justification for raising prices another $100 per engine

So I suspect that Mike may test the market with some new variations in the future, but the demand is a small fraction of what it was, and he now competes with a mountain of previously sold trains that are coming back on the market as some of our brothers are passing or giving it up.

 

Jim

Jim Waterman

Lee Lines Limited

Custom Built Standard Gauge

 

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