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My loving wife and FRA administrator won during the Cal-Stewart raffle this year a 6-18056 Lionel 763e Hudson with TMCC. I understand it has the older 2.5 rail sounds and TMCC along with a pullmor motor. It looks great and runs much better after a good lube. My question is does anyone still run these on their layout? I have read a few things here and there that were not so kind. Since I am running Legacy and a ZW-L I set the stall and she runs well for me. Am I the exception? Thoughts on these locomotives? What kinds of consists do you pull with them?

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I have the ATSF Warhorse Hudson form 1996 and I think it runs fine.  It's very smooth.  I must admit that I had to work on it quite a bit as the first owner displayed it very high up and as the story goes, it took a five foot tumble.  There was a very light mark in one side of the tender shell and the cab was fairly bent (really twisted).  I think there were also a few broken screws in the valve gear and one wheel retention screw was also broken. Long story short, I was fortunate enough to be able to straighten it all out without breaking it further and despite all that, the drivetrain is still very smooth (at least to me it is).  I would say that it seems this era of Hudson does not seem to hold their value very well unless that are very mint.  Nice engine, free is good, have fun running it!

 

I have and run the 6-18056 as well. I have never had an issue or problem with it, and it is one of my favorite Hudsons.

I know some gripe about the unrealistic Vandy tender, but to me it is one of the most striking features about this engine. Also, the "dyna-chuff" feature that comes on when the engine is loafing along is beyond cool! I really like this era of Lionel production(1996 etc.) and I collect and operate these often.

The "Warhorse"  ATSF Hudson is also, in my opinion, a must have engine.

I have the 18056 with the Vandy tender and of all the engines that I own which were manufactured by Lionel during the mid 1990s era it pulls and runs the best.  The Vanderbilt tender doesn't bother me in the least.  I have a Lionel 18064 Mohawk which has one of the great whistles of all time but its not much of a puller. Likewise, the original silver Commodore Vanderbilt falls into the same category as the Mohawk, great whistle but truly a lousy puller.  Nevertheless, I run and enjoy them anyway.

In spite of how unique the 18056 is, I have not yet acquired one for myself.

 

However, I do have the 18043 Chesapeake & Ohio Yellowbelly Hudson with the matching Heavyweight passenger cars, as well as the Century Club 773 Hudson. Both are great runners, and the sounds are excellent, especially their whistles. For whatever reason, when I compared the C&O running to an 18045 Commodore Vanderbilt, it pulled a heavy load much better! I even upgraded the C&O with an ElectroCoupler. Both of these engines make frequent trips on the layout, in spite of the fact of me acquiring quite a lot of Legacy locomotives, including the Vision Line 700E Hudson.

 

 

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Darn.  I keep hoping that the 6-18005s will become greatly disfavored, due to lack of whistle smoke or something, and I will be able to snag one for cheap.  Apparently these 1990s beauties are still favored by a large segment of the Lionel crowd.




 

When compared to the original street price, those engines are way down in price. Although the prices have recovered slightly from their low point. Where to you want to be?

Originally Posted by bob2:

Darn.  I keep hoping that the 6-18005s will become greatly disfavored, due to lack of whistle smoke or something, and I will be able to snag one for cheap.  Apparently these 1990s beauties are still favored by a large segment of the Lionel crowd.

The 1990 5340 Scale Hudson's that you reference do have smoke and railsounds but no magnetraction. As for the price; in the off season I've seen these engines sell for as low as $350 on eBay. They are the last of the American made scale Hudson's. My pair has been reliable and they run well. The only problem is if you are buying a 24 year old engine (and its still new in the box), you must lubricate thoroughly before operating or it won't pull very well.

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Originally Posted by bob2:

Darn.  I keep hoping that the 6-18005s will become greatly disfavored, due to lack of whistle smoke or something, and I will be able to snag one for cheap.  Apparently these 1990s beauties are still favored by a large segment of the Lionel crowd.

The 1990 5340 Scale Hudson's that you reference do have smoke and railsounds but no magnetraction. As for the price; in the off season I've seen these engines sell for as low as $350 on eBay. They are the last of the American made scale Hudson's. My pair has been reliable and they run well. The only problem is if you are buying a 24 year old engine (and its still new in the box), you must lubricate thoroughly before operating or it won't pull very well.

Unless you exclude the Gold Plated Hudson from 2000, yes the 18005 was the last true scale Hudson made in America. OGR did an updated article on that engine, in comparison to the new Vision Hudson, in Run 261/January 2013.

I did have this particular engine and it ran great, at the time of purchase. Its limited 2.5 version electronics left a lot to be desired when 4.0, and 5.0, and todays Legacy standards became available. If I had this nice engine, I would get with Gunrunner John and have him install the Chuffer Board and get it set for better sounds. That just a thought. Its a fine looking Locomotive. By the way, he is running a special on Chop/Block the tender and Locomotive.....Happy Railroading.

OKHIKER posted:

I have the 18056 with the Vandy tender and of all the engines that I own which were manufactured by Lionel during the mid 1990s era it pulls and runs the best.  The Vanderbilt tender doesn't bother me in the least.  I have a Lionel 18064 Mohawk which has one of the great whistles of all time but its not much of a puller. Likewise, the original silver Commodore Vanderbilt falls into the same category as the Mohawk, great whistle but truly a lousy puller.  Nevertheless, I run and enjoy them anyway.

Do you own an 18005? If so, how does it compare with your 18056?

bob2 posted:

Darn.  I keep hoping that the 6-18005s will become greatly disfavored, due to lack of whistle smoke or something, and I will be able to snag one for cheap.  Apparently these 1990s beauties are still favored by a large segment of the Lionel crowd.

They remain popular because they look so great. Something about them, their design and execution, they are a beautiful rendition of this classic engine. Many feel they just look better than almost any other model of the Hudson. 

I have the 18056 Hudson. Several years ago there was a post here on OGR that provided instructions on how to use the #38097 NYC PT Tender in order work with the 18056 Hudson. The PT tender was a separate sale item that was issued to go with one of the streamlined Hudson.

I still have the instructions some where. It involved resetting the board on the engine , or simply doing a factory reset with the PT tender connected to the engine (I can't remember which) so it would communicate with the Railsounds 5 PT Tender. It worked, so now my NYC Vandy tender sits next to the round house. I have plans to place a magnetic strip on the PT tender with the correct number to match the 18056 Hudson.

The fellow who wrote the post took his Vandy tender and lettered it to match Lionel Erie scale Pacific. If I recall he was able to get the Vandy tender to work with the Erie Pacific also.   

I am sorry to say that the 18056 Hudson spends most of it's time parked in the engine service tracks. like many  of us, I just have too many engines. Here is a picture of her gathering dust next to the coaling tower.

Hudson and PT tender

Thanks,

Richard

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breezinup posted:
bob2 posted:

Darn.  I keep hoping that the 6-18005s will become greatly disfavored, due to lack of whistle smoke or something, and I will be able to snag one for cheap.  Apparently these 1990s beauties are still favored by a large segment of the Lionel crowd.

They remain popular because they look so great. Something about them, their design and execution, they are a beautiful rendition of this classic engine. Many feel they just look better than almost any other model of the Hudson. 

I can vouch for that. It's also as an important part of Lionel's history as the original. The casting on this engine is arguably the best and smoothest of all the Lionel modern Hudsons, at least the ones I own.

As for the 18056, I purchased mine from knowledgeable Lionel collector Bob Karas at York in April this year. I run mine and it's just as good a runner as the other Hudsons. It doesn't get too much time now - mostly since I sold off the Vandy tender - but it will likely get more time when I purchase the CC2 PT Centipede tender.

Lionel Mod 6-28012 Red Commodore Vanderbilt Loco and TenderLionel Mod 6-28062 100th Anni Gold Hudson No. 1900Yes, I do run my Vandy tender Hudson, the CCII Hudson, the ATSF Warhorse (great sounding whistle), but still not any run time on the Gold Edition Anniversary Hudson (or the GOLD MTH, as well).  Just cant bring myself to run the shiny ones.. for now, anyway.  Also, have the Red Commodore Vanderbilt, but again, no run time.... yet.  I would like to hear back from anyone who has run the Vanderbilt(s) and make comment.  Of the ones I do/have run... they all perform well for me and I like the earlier TMCC system just fine.  Good examples of Lionel products, everyone.

Jesse    TCA   12-68275 

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You guys may cringe at this...  I run my Century Club Hudson from time to time, it's actually very reliable in TMCC mode and the sound is acceptable. Years ago there was an issue in that the rear coupler would open randomly. The dealer tried to fix it, nothing worked. A drop of ACC on the coupler worked... It's an old soldier, but as the saying goes, it soldiers on...

Jan

I have, and love, the Lionel 6-38096 PWC 773 Hudson from 2005. It has a Pullmor motor, TMCC, RS 4e, smoke, wireless tether, coil coupler, and both Magne-Traction and traction tires. Like the prototype, it looks brawny and powerful, and it runs well. The 6-38096 has to be one of Lionel's best Hudsons with a Pullmor motor.

Cheers!

Keith

Keith L posted:

I have, and love, the Lionel 6-38096 PWC 773 Hudson from 2005. It has a Pullmor motor, TMCC, RS 4e, smoke, wireless tether, coil coupler, and both Magne-Traction and traction tires. Like the prototype, it looks brawny and powerful, and it runs well. The 6-38096 has to be one of Lionel's best Hudsons with a Pullmor motor.

Cheers!

Keith

Sounds like a great loco! I have never run one.

Way back in 2014 I posted on this topic and at that time I said I had the 18056 with the Vandy tender and that it ran very well.  Since that time I paired the 18056 with a Lionel PT tender and I love the looks of the combination.  Still runs great and now it looks even better with the PT tender.  For whatever its worth I still have the Vandy tender. 

Can motors and cruise are better than the old technology BUT - that old technology, properly broken in and lubed, and not asked to do things beyond its capabilities, is just fine on the right layout (072 curves; no meaningful grades - i.e. - my layout). And, these 700E DNA locos are built like household appliances. The gearing is good. The design is almost bullet-proof. Stick with 4-5 car passenger trains or 12-car freights - I can't run more comfortably anyway - and they will serve you well. The 1-chuff/rev can be fixed.

John Meyncke posted:

I have and run the 6-18056 as well. I have never had an issue or problem with it, and it is one of my favorite Hudsons.

I know some gripe about the unrealistic Vandy tender, but to me it is one of the most striking features about this engine. Also, the "dyna-chuff" feature that comes on when the engine is loafing along is beyond cool! I really like this era of Lionel production(1996 etc.) and I collect and operate these often.

The "Warhorse"  ATSF Hudson is also, in my opinion, a must have engine.

Gee...this guy really sounds like he knows what he's talking about...lol...

In all seriousness, after all these years,I still run this engine on a regular basis and I now consider this era of Lionel production one of the best, if not THE best ever.

John

I also have a 6-18056 Hudson. I'm the original owner. It ran great when new, but noisy compared to current engines mostly because of the Pulmore. I love the looks of the Vandy tender even though it's not proto. It's been in storage for over 10 years and I want to start running it again.

I have a question about lubrication. Do I have to take the engine apart to grease the gears, or can I just turn it over and get to the gears that way. Of course, I'll oil the wheels and rods. Also, do you think it'll run on 036 or do I need at least 042? Thanks!

Although spoiled by today's technological advances, I still get a kick running my 18056.  No cruise but the gearing makes up for it. Acceptable slow starting for an AC motor, bell and whistle are top notch, good smoke unit and an overall great looking loco tender combo.  Flip side: one chuff per rev and the tender is very heavy.  It's a keeper.  RICH

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harmonyards posted:

This is the best thing to do to a 18056......but this is just my opinion, of course.......Pat

What Pittman motor is that?  I would love to do that.  I have this engine and am debating to sell it or upgrade it with ERR and new motor.

9414B165 is the Pittman part no....this is a 19.1V motor...works very well with ERR cruise and this family of Hudson’s gear ratio....it can creep just as good as any Legacy or DCS engine will...the pic you’ve seen was when it was still under construction....it has a flywheel now, ERR, 4 chuffs, & fan smoke...best thing, amp draws are in the dirt ....even dragging 10 heavyweights........Pat

harmonyards posted:

9414B165 is the Pittman part no....this is a 19.1V motor...works very well with ERR cruise and this family of Hudson’s gear ratio....it can creep just as good as any Legacy or DCS engine will...the pic you’ve seen was when it was still under construction....it has a flywheel now, ERR, 4 chuffs, & fan smoke...best thing, amp draws are in the dirt ....even dragging 10 heavyweights........Pat

Thanks Pat!  I tried finding that motor and had no luck.  Looks like a mfg date of 1999?  Do you know of another motor with same specs?  What would you charge to upgrade mine? LOL

Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:
harmonyards posted:
Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Wow Pat, that is something, that's for sure.

Thanks Dave, I don’t do hack work.....I like clean efficient installs...Pat

Does that increase the pulling power on it, or is it the same?

Like Pete said, it’s night and day difference in power, performance, low amp draw, .....if you think my conversions look good, .....Pete’s the master, someday I’ll be as good as him..😉.........Pat

Rickw2 posted:

I also have a 6-18056 Hudson. I'm the original owner. It ran great when new, but noisy compared to current engines mostly because of the Pulmore. I love the looks of the Vandy tender even though it's not proto. It's been in storage for over 10 years and I want to start running it again.

I have a question about lubrication. Do I have to take the engine apart to grease the gears, or can I just turn it over and get to the gears that way. Of course, I'll oil the wheels and rods. Also, do you think it'll run on 036 or do I need at least 042? Thanks!

OK, I oiled the axles and rods, but I have a question about grease. Exactly where do I grease the gears? The manual points to this screw that says grease and others. Do I take the screw off, apply grease, then replace the screw? I just don't know. Help would be appreciated. Thanks.

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Rickw2 posted:

I also have a 6-18056 Hudson. I'm the original owner. It ran great when new, but noisy compared to current engines mostly because of the Pulmore. I love the looks of the Vandy tender even though it's not proto. It's been in storage for over 10 years and I want to start running it again.

I have a question about lubrication. Do I have to take the engine apart to grease the gears, or can I just turn it over and get to the gears that way. Of course, I'll oil the wheels and rods. Also, do you think it'll run on 036 or do I need at least 042? Thanks!

OK, I oiled the axles and rods, but I have a question about grease. Exactly where do I grease the gears? The manual points to this screw that says grease and others. Do I take the screw off, apply grease, then replace the screw? I just don't know. Help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Take the screw out, set it to the side, be mindful of any tiny gaskets attached to the screw, or still stuck on the locomotive. Use a syringe, or a pin greaser, or a tiny tube of grease, and squeeze a tiny bit into the first and last plugs. The center plug is the gear well. Give it a good couple pumps....use your favorite grease, I’m not starting that debate over again...wipe any excess, and reinstall the plugs....they just need to be snug, not 3 grunt tight....a 1/10th of a grunt......😄.......Pat

harmonyards posted:
Rickw2 posted:
Rickw2 posted:

I also have a 6-18056 Hudson. I'm the original owner. It ran great when new, but noisy compared to current engines mostly because of the Pulmore. I love the looks of the Vandy tender even though it's not proto. It's been in storage for over 10 years and I want to start running it again.

I have a question about lubrication. Do I have to take the engine apart to grease the gears, or can I just turn it over and get to the gears that way. Of course, I'll oil the wheels and rods. Also, do you think it'll run on 036 or do I need at least 042? Thanks!

OK, I oiled the axles and rods, but I have a question about grease. Exactly where do I grease the gears? The manual points to this screw that says grease and others. Do I take the screw off, apply grease, then replace the screw? I just don't know. Help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Take the screw out, set it to the side, be mindful of any tiny gaskets attached to the screw, or still stuck on the locomotive. Use a syringe, or a pin greaser, or a tiny tube of grease, and squeeze a tiny bit into the first and last plugs. The center plug is the gear well. Give it a good couple pumps....use your favorite grease, I’m not starting that debate over again...wipe any excess, and reinstall the plugs....they just need to be snug, not 3 grunt tight....a 1/10th of a grunt......😄.......Pat

Many thanks Pat. I know it seems simple, but the manual isn't clear about it and I don't want to mess it up. I have been using MTH grease, but I'm open to suggestions. The MTH tube isn't small enough to do what you wrote about the first and third plugs. I'm not aware of any debates over grease so whatever you say is good for me. Thanks again.

@Rickw2 since the gears in your 763 are metal, you could use pretty much any grease with no risk of causing harm.  Lubriplate, automotive moly grease, etc., would all work.  The Labelle is especially good for nylon gears because it won't melt them or make them get gummy.

By the way, looking at your photo... is that a crack in your chassis running across the gearbox?  There has been a lot of discussion about zinc pest on the forum.  I wasn't aware of any Lionel pieces from the mid-'90s that were affected, and for your sake I hope it's not the start of something very bad!

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Ted S posted:

@Rickw2 since the gears in your 763 are metal, you could use pretty much any grease with no risk of causing harm.  Lubriplate, automotive moly grease, etc., would all work.  The Labelle is especially good for nylon gears because it won't melt them or make them get gummy.

By the way, looking at your photo... is that a crack in your chassis running across the gearbox?  There has been a lot of discussion about zinc pest on the forum.  I wasn't aware of any Lionel pieces from the mid-'90s that were affected, and for your sake I hope it's not the start of something very bad!

I can promise you that ain’t a crack Ted, it’s just the way the chassis is cast....I have quite a few  763’s and they all  have those funny casting irregularities in them.....my theory on that is, they just don’t put as much emphasis on making the chassis as smooth as they would the shell...75% of the chassis you don’t see anyways..........Pat

 

Ted S posted:

@Rickw2 since the gears in your 763 are metal, you could use pretty much any grease with no risk of causing harm.  Lubriplate, automotive moly grease, etc., would all work.  The Labelle is especially good for nylon gears because it won't melt them or make them get gummy.

By the way, looking at your photo... is that a crack in your chassis running across the gearbox?  There has been a lot of discussion about zinc pest on the forum.  I wasn't aware of any Lionel pieces from the mid-'90s that were affected, and for your sake I hope it's not the start of something very bad!

Thank you for your reply. I ordered Labelle 106 as per Pat. Good to know it's good on nylon gears too because I have some of that too. I am the original owner of the Hudson and bought it when new. That irregularity you see has always been there. I always thought it was from manufacturing. Yes, it looks like a crack but I think it's the lighting that makes it stand out and look like that. No it's not cracked.

I never heard of zinc pest. After looking it up, I see how devastating it is. Looks like mostly smaller gauge European models are affected and much earlier than the 90's. I'm glad you pointed it out.

Jayhawk500 posted:

Everyone, I can attest that Pat is truly a master of the Pulmor - Pittman conversion. He's just being modest. He did my CSS (6-18011) and it looks very professional. Lionel should have does this back in the '90s when it was originally manufactured.

Thanks Chris!...I’m really glad yours turned out well!...all the mods you did make my work seem simple....that’s a great CSS engine now...bet it’s a battle tank!.......Pat

D500 posted:

 And, these 700E DNA locos are built like household appliances. The gearing is good. The design is almost bullet-proof. Stick with 4-5 car passenger trains or 12-car freights - I can't run more comfortably anyway - and they will serve you well. The 1-chuff/rev can be fixed.

Uh oh, doing a bit more than that.

I don't find the universal motor to be a limitation at all. I might upload a video of it pulling 10 aluminum passenger cars. 

I have the K-Line T1 Berkshire with TMCC and Weaver Pacific with TMCC and those don't stop me from pulling out the warhorse hudson and giving it action. 

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Yes Pat it's running smooth thanks to it's new grease job.  It took a little prodding to get it going at first, but after working it in a little bit, she's on her own. Funny thing, this is the first time I'm running it with power through a DCS TIU. I had it set on 18 volts max which limited the speed. I thought there was something wrong with the engine until I upped the max power to 21 volts which increased her speed. This engine is surely a power hog. I'm a little worried about the constant 21 volts for the light bulbs in the heavyweights. But other than that I'm a happy camper. Thanks again.

Rickw2 posted:

Yes Pat it's running smooth thanks to it's new grease job.  It took a little prodding to get it going at first, but after working it in a little bit, she's on her own. Funny thing, this is the first time I'm running it with power through a DCS TIU. I had it set on 18 volts max which limited the speed. I thought there was something wrong with the engine until I upped the max power to 21 volts which increased her speed. This engine is surely a power hog. I'm a little worried about the constant 21 volts for the light bulbs in the heavyweights. But other than that I'm a happy camper. Thanks again.

Yep!..the ol’ Pulmor sure likes the energy....they’re a bit of a hog....beings it’s either hardly been run or never run, I’m sure it needs some breaking in to loosen up....maybe run it with a long freight drag in hopes you can knock down that total voltage....you’ll be eating bulbs like candy at 21 volts....see if she’ll free up some and get that voltage down, or mod those cars with some LED’s and some of GRJ’s constant voltage boards.....keep us up to date.....Pat

I bought one of these when it first came out back in '98 ('97?). It was the first time I could afford a 'scale sized engine', and it was Lionel's first release of the scale Hudson with TMCC and Railsounds. So I jumped in! I think the Vandy tender looked great, with the Baldwin (?) drivers. Initially I was a bit disappointed at it's low speed gearing, and the roughness of the mold, with very noticeable part lines along the top of the casting. But after running it with some scale sized equipment at realistic speeds, I'm a huge fan. The bell and whistle sounds are fantastic, even if the 1-chuff per revolution isn't as cool as 4.

Right now I pull a 6 car NYC Heavyweight passenger train. As long as it's lubed properly and regularly, it runs very well. A beautiful looking engine. It easily handles a 12 car freight as well and looks just right on 72" and 63" curves.

I love the idea of adding the RailSounds 5.0 PT tender ! Cheers, Kyle

@WBC posted:

I don't find the universal motor to be a limitation at all. I might upload a video of it pulling 10 aluminum passenger cars.



I guess better late than never. Here is the #704 (773 type) scale Hudson from 1996-97 with its trusty universal "Pullmor" motor pulling 10 aluminum passenger cars. No traction tires either.



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Hi guys,

I bought this engine new in 96 along with the four pack and eventually the two car add on set of heavyweights. It was so tight when I got it. It would hardly pull two of the heavyweights. I kept running it and kept it greased and lubed up and eventually it became a nice puller. Pulls all 6 cars with ease now. I had it pulling 7 aluminum 15” cars like they weren’t there.
I know a lot of guys don’t like the tender but I love it. (This engine was advertised as a tribute  to the original 763e, which had a Vandy tender). The speaker points up instead of down and sounds great. I just purchased the CCII PT tender for it just to mix it up. Lol. Also I have the CCII Empire State Express which that tender is for so I look at it as a win win.
it is and will always be one of my favorite engines.

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@Mike R posted:

Hi guys,

I bought this engine new in 96 along with the four pack and eventually the two car add on set of heavyweights. It was so tight when I got it. It would hardly pull two of the heavyweights. I kept running it and kept it greased and lubed up and eventually it became a nice puller. Pulls all 6 cars with ease now.

This is very true of the large Hudson locomotives. My #704 Santa Fe (made the same year as the 763e tribute loco) took 80 hours of operation before it loosened up.

I also have the 6-18056. I find it to have a problem pulling anything more than 3 cars . Gargraves track magna traction is useless. Also having a hard time finding compatible traction tires for this engine . Lionel does not have any in stock . Interested in doing a motor upgrade if anyone has any leads ! Frustrated beyond belief.

thank you

anthony

@Anthony773 posted:

I also have the 6-18056. I find it to have a problem pulling anything more than 3 cars . Gargraves track magna traction is useless. Also having a hard time finding compatible traction tires for this engine . Lionel does not have any in stock . Interested in doing a motor upgrade if anyone has any leads ! Frustrated beyond belief.

These locos were notoriously "tight."  As others have said, it'll break in and loosen up with more track time.  Because the rest of your post talks about traction, I presume the motor is getting power, but the loco is spinning its wheels.  Are the loco wheels and rails clean and free of oil?  Could the pilot ("cow catcher") be dragging on the center rail?  Do the tender wheels and pickup rollers turn freely?  What about the wheels on the trailing consist?  If you're pulling lighted passenger cars, do those pickup rollers turn freely?

You could post a video.  I just find it hard to believe that a scale-sized, die-cast Hudson can't pull 4 cars on level track.  The boiler on this model is probably chock full of electronics.  But the original 700E and the 1990 reissue had a heavy weight in there over the drivers.  Tungsten fishing weights or sheet lead are both more dense than die-cast metal, if you can find room for it.  FYI.

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