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I just received my 1080p p2p spycam, Twenty four dollars including shipping from a US Source. Arrived in 3 days. Time to upgrade a old railscope engine. Cam works great!  I need to see if I can limit the audio signal.  But,  I need to determine where the mic is located. Most likely in the camera head. Great deal. Next a charging circuit or install a mini usb charger port in the frame.

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I'd like to know as well.  I'm looking for one that links to my computer as I want to display the results on a large monitor in the train room.

Spy camera, hmm? Check the company store at Control Headquarters, although if you can get your hands on the one used by K.A.O.S. it came equipped with the early version of image stabilization. If you do go to Control Headquarters, say hello to Hymie for me.

Moon Mullen

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ajzend posted:

Hi,

I'd like to ask where one would get this?

Thanls,

Alan

Alan, 

i originally ordered from China. That didn’t transpire. I’m not sure if I can do a link to the dealer in this post. Not sure of the forum rules. But will try to email you later

Ron_S posted:

Look up P2P spycam 1080p on Ebay  John, if willing to wait, about $15 from China. Higher from US based 

I could have offered less. Order a lot of product for my job from china. Burned 3out of 3 times on these shipped from china. 

 

Shawn,

Like with many entities, you have to work the bugs out, I order product from China every week, some is super slow to get here, nearly all is electronics or products for trains. I have dealt with one of the suppliers for larger cams and received the product within a month. 

I can't comment on your troubles, but for me, I have good luck with offshore orders.

Paradise & Pacific Railroad

gunrunnerjohn posted:

I'd like to know as well.  I'm looking for one that links to my computer as I want to display the results on a large monitor in the train room.

John, sent you a email from beatles@....If it’s cool to link here feel free to post

Ron_S posted:

Shawn,

Like with many entities, you have to work the bugs out, I order product from China every week, some is super slow to get here, nearly all is electronics or products for trains. I have dealt with one of the suppliers for larger cams and received the product within a month. 

I can't comment on your troubles, but for me, I have good luck with offshore orders.

Yeah,. I will no longer deal with China post. Which is the route for the way I ordered. The extra 10 is worth the reduction in BS. Living in NY the extra 10 is like a dime. 

I am tinkering with the idea of mounting one of these in a Williams GP-38 which has spare room inside shell for the unit, still not sure if flush mount it or just surface mount for the first try, I have a cracked shell to experiment with for ways to mount it, on nose, in cab, on front of frame, etc.

I just ordered a set from Hong Kong with external mic I can trim or muffle so not getting the engine noise, and will see how the shipping goes.

Thanks for the idea Shawn.

Paradise & Pacific Railroad

I'll wait until I hear some user reports, these are the same kind of unit I bought several of, and the performance leaves much to be desired.  They talk about 1080p resolution, but then in the fine print the video resolution is much lower at 10 FPS.  That's not good enough for me.

I am interested in seeing how bad the lag is on that camera more than anything. Yes 1080P@ 10 FPS is somewhat low and its usually a sign of a cheap processor. Add WiFi to the mix and I wouldn't be surprised to see upwards of 3-5 seconds of delay.

My theory is this, if it isn't good enough for a FPV quad copter setup, in terms of lag, its not good enough for me and my trains. I ended up just using an analog system with an FPV TX/RX and it works pretty well, just a few pops of video loss but not enough to annoy me.

True 1080P lag-less video is available but not at a $15 price point but hey, I do hope to be wrong about this one lol

I will be keeping an eye out for the review!

Thanks!

Daniel Gonzalez

I used a similar camera to that but put it in a target launch car because it already had the innards I needed. I also installed a step down converter to keep the battery charged. It works ok. Picture is alright but what do you want for about a 20 dollar investment including the train car.0_20190430_2015182_20190430_2017033_20190430_2017341_20190430_201525

-Ed, O-27 trains and track, building out our little train empire one piece at a time.

 

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Part of my living is video related. I laugh when I see people stricky use the frame rate as a reference to quality. The overall image is really a factor of three things. 

The processor power to encode the video. The compression within the video format. ( Number of I,P frame pictures producing the image. This can vary depending on the camera. So, A camera with plenty of CPU horsepower set to use no compression in which all P frames are displayed will ultimately have a better picture quality at a given frame rate. But, like everything else in life - the computer decoding horsepower is also a factor. You might be surprise how many new base computers with minimal capabilities would have issues with 30fps image at 1080p

with low compression. The computer itself creates lag in the video. So, sort of a crap shoot. When minimal specs are supplied. Yes, the network is another issue!

Most of the 4K stuff today with high resolution and fps requires the use of decoding via the video card. Where the h264 or h265 is offloaded to the video card. Especially the case when many hi resolution images need to be displayed 

The cam quality of this cam is like the Lionel caboose cam. A matter of fact. That cam is probably a stripped down version.

i absolutely agree,  I would love mjpeg video at 30fps! But, really how much will I use this thing?  I need to connect via Microsoft vlc to see what that actual stream looks like. If I can determine the stream profile using wireshark.

 

 

 

 

 

By the way. The only issue I've found with this cam is the audio. It seems to loop I live mode. I need to find out if the mem card will help ...or it is a setting.

I'm also trying to locate the mic. As, it appears not to be in the camera head or viable on the board. I've cupped these with my hand and still got audio

shawn posted:

Part of my living is video related. I laugh when I see people stricky use the frame rate as a reference to quality. The overall image is really a factor of three things. 

The processor power to encode the video. The compression within the video format. ( Number of I,P frame pictures producing the image. This can vary depending on the camera. So, A camera with plenty of CPU horsepower set to use no compression in which all P frames are displayed will ultimately have a better picture quality at a given frame rate. But, like everything else in life - the computer decoding horsepower is also a factor. You might be surprise how many new base computers with minimal capabilities would have issues with 30fps image at 1080p

with low compression. The computer itself creates lag in the video. So, sort of a crap shoot. When minimal specs are supplied. Yes, the network is another issue!

Most of the 4K stuff today with high resolution and fps requires the use of decoding via the video card. Where the h264 or h265 is offloaded to the video card. Especially the case when many hi resolution images need to be displayed 

The cam quality of this cam is like the Lionel caboose cam. A matter of fact. That cam is probably a stripped down version.

i absolutely agree,  I would love mjpeg video at 30fps! But, really how much will I use this thing?  I need to connect via Microsoft vlc to see what that actual stream looks like. If I can determine the stream profile within vlc!

 

 

 

 

 

Hey Shawn,

I didn't mean to diminish the camera in any way. All I way saying is that in 2019, a 2MP camera that can't stream @ 30 FPS has got to be doing so for low processing power purposes.

I work in CCTV Distribution, trust me when I tell you I can sell you a cheap Chinese IP camera that can do 2MP @ 30FPS and I mean cheap. Don't believe me, try searching HIK China 2MP camera on eBay.

In terms of use, I don't have a large layout but I use my setup everyday. I like to see that FPV when I use the trains. I guess its just my personal preference.

I see the lag IP cameras have everyday, it's literally what I do for a living. Some better cameras handle the load better than others, it's all in how few frames can be sent after the P with as few changes as possible. That compression takes power not only to decode but to encode as well so you are correct a good PC will help some of the process.

Thanks for the update!

Daniel Gonzalez

Daniel J. Gonzalez posted:
shawn posted:

Part of my living is video related. I laugh when I see people stricky use the frame rate as a reference to quality. The overall image is really a factor of three things. 

The processor power to encode the video. The compression within the video format. ( Number of I,P frame pictures producing the image. This can vary depending on the camera. So, A camera with plenty of CPU horsepower set to use no compression in which all P frames are displayed will ultimately have a better picture quality at a given frame rate. But, like everything else in life - the computer decoding horsepower is also a factor. You might be surprise how many new base computers with minimal capabilities would have issues with 30fps image at 1080p

with low compression. The computer itself creates lag in the video. So, sort of a crap shoot. When minimal specs are supplied. Yes, the network is another issue!

Most of the 4K stuff today with high resolution and fps requires the use of decoding via the video card. Where the h264 or h265 is offloaded to the video card. Especially the case when many hi resolution images need to be displayed 

The cam quality of this cam is like the Lionel caboose cam. A matter of fact. That cam is probably a stripped down version.

i absolutely agree,  I would love mjpeg video at 30fps! But, really how much will I use this thing?  I need to connect via Microsoft vlc to see what that actual stream looks like. If I can determine the stream profile within vlc!

Hey Shawn,

I didn't mean to diminish the camera in any way. All I way saying is that in 2019, a 2MP camera that can't stream @ 30 FPS has got to be doing so for low processing power purposes.

I work in CCTV Distribution, trust me when I tell you I can sell you a cheap Chinese IP camera that can do 2MP @ 30FPS and I mean cheap. Don't believe me, try searching HIK China 2MP camera on eBay.

In terms of use, I don't have a large layout but I use my setup everyday. I like to see that FPV when I use the trains. I guess its just my personal preference.

I see the lag IP cameras have everyday, it's literally what I do for a living. Some better cameras handle the load better than others, it's all in how few frames can be sent after the P with as few changes as possible. That compression takes power not only to decode but to encode as well so you are correct a good PC will help some of the process.

Well, A little more then CCTV distribution here. But, can't go beyond that for specific reasons. I get your point - But, even most name brand CCTV camera's will start to lag

at high frame rate resolution configurations. - ever point a ip camera at the ocean or in a marina by the water.? Even, the 2MP's  will dog out. CPU wise. 

Most camera's rated for 3 streams won't output all at the streams at max config. A matter of fact. Just having two different stream profiles connected causes frame dropping on most camera's. 

So, to tell you the truth. Most IP camera's on the market are short on CPU.

But, in regard to quality of video and price point. I agree - there's some cheap camera's out there.  Just not as usable - IMHO

 

 

Daniel J. Gonzalez posted:
shawn posted:

Part of my living is video related. I laugh when I see people stricky use the frame rate as a reference to quality. The overall image is really a factor of three things. 

The processor power to encode the video. The compression within the video format. ( Number of I,P frame pictures producing the image. This can vary depending on the camera. So, A camera with plenty of CPU horsepower set to use no compression in which all P frames are displayed will ultimately have a better picture quality at a given frame rate. But, like everything else in life - the computer decoding horsepower is also a factor. You might be surprise how many new base computers with minimal capabilities would have issues with 30fps image at 1080p

with low compression. The computer itself creates lag in the video. So, sort of a crap shoot. When minimal specs are supplied. Yes, the network is another issue!

Most of the 4K stuff today with high resolution and fps requires the use of decoding via the video card. Where the h264 or h265 is offloaded to the video card. Especially the case when many hi resolution images need to be displayed 

The cam quality of this cam is like the Lionel caboose cam. A matter of fact. That cam is probably a stripped down version.

i absolutely agree,  I would love mjpeg video at 30fps! But, really how much will I use this thing?  I need to connect via Microsoft vlc to see what that actual stream looks like. If I can determine the stream profile within vlc!

 

 

Hikivision  - the ones the Governmnet will no long we buy?  

 

 

Hey Shawn,

I didn't mean to diminish the camera in any way. All I way saying is that in 2019, a 2MP camera that can't stream @ 30 FPS has got to be doing so for low processing power purposes.

I work in CCTV Distribution, trust me when I tell you I can sell you a cheap Chinese IP camera that can do 2MP @ 30FPS and I mean cheap. Don't believe me, try searching HIK China 2MP camera on eBay.

In terms of use, I don't have a large layout but I use my setup everyday. I like to see that FPV when I use the trains. I guess its just my personal preference.

I see the lag IP cameras have everyday, it's literally what I do for a living. Some better cameras handle the load better than others, it's all in how few frames can be sent after the P with as few changes as possible. That compression takes power not only to decode but to encode as well so you are correct a good PC will help some of the process.

Thanks for the update!

 

 The ip cam stuff is a scam - they are selling all of these high res high frame rate cams and most of the networks can't handle the stuff.  

Anyway, the same wireless camera is cheap - and provides something better the railscope...But, not broadcast video.

 

I'm sure my network isn't the limiting point for the video.  As for the frame rate, that's clearly not all I look at.  However, if the frame rate is very slow, the quality of the video isn't nearly as important as it looks terrible for that factor alone.

As for network speed, my internal network, and even the Internet connection, is capable of handling any video that might come along.

Even the WiFi Link to the phone should be more than sufficient for hi-def video, it certainly doesn't have any issue with HD video from YouTube.

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Shawn,

I just received the P2P cam from Hong Kong, it has an external microphone which I am either going to snip off or muffle before install it in the engine built. The resolution came set to 720p but inapp setup allows for 1080p which is very crisp. The proof of the pudding will be how it streams once on the track.IMG_2889

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John,

I will, it might be a while, I had it on my bench while working on the shell to install it, and caught the ribbon cable under the engine frame and without meaning to, tugged it, the cable cut from the stamped frame on the Williams gp38-2. It was 2 weeks for this one to get here, so in about 18 days, I should be able to review the product.

It was doing well when just holding it, but I am not good at estimating what train speed will be, the cam does 25 fps, and the wifi strength was full at 20 feet away, so for $15 bucks it is a bargain, the controls are straight forward and it can hold a 32gb sd card if want to internally store any video, but the images I did holding the cam were crisp and clear.

Paradise & Pacific Railroad

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