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I believe this topic has been discussed before, but....

Re your products that have large formed pieces of plastic.  In particular, the accessory structures.....black and clear large 'clamshell' plastic packaging.

Would it be possible to add the appropriate recycling symbol/numeral identifying the material of which these pieces are made?  Many of us have periodic curbside pickup of recyclable materials....glass, metal, plastic...within specified guidelines.  For my own situation, we may recycle any plastic that is identified with the 'Recycle' symbol and numeral.  Unmarked items are not acceptable. 

It is, of course, appropriate for all of us....manufacturers included...to have a recycling attitude, so to speak.  Some of the MTH and Woodland Scenic O scale structure plastic packaging pieces are really quite large.  To simply have those end up in a landfill when local recycling guidelines would provide for convenient alternatives is not very responsible......IMHO, of course.

It seems like such a simple thing to add this ID to the packaging die.  Is it really that expensive or much of a manufacturing nuisance? 

Frankly I'm surprised that "The State of California" hasn't required this already.....leading everyone else in the nation to fall in line or be ostracized! 

BTW, I sent the same suggestion to the folks at Woodland Scenics......which, after about a year's passing, has apparently been ignored.  They politely told me what the specific materials are used in the packaging.  But without the official embossed/printed emblem, a Magic Marker or Post-It-Note notation on the trash by yours truly is of no value to our curbside services.

Something less strenuous to think about???   For a change????

FWIW, always.

KD

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In my area all recyclable items, plastic ( any kind ), glass, etc go into one place. Makes it easy for the people to recycle. Works for us and yes some people still ignore recycling. 

Make it too confusing you wind up like where you live KD, nobody knows what is and what is not recyclable, then they don't care where they put it. 

DAVE

It would indeed be helpful to have markings or at least some sort of guide to recycling.  We have a pretty good system, where I live.  Like Dave's, everything goes into one bin.  The township puts out a guide to recycling each year.  Still, there are some things that fall into purgatory, so to speak.  

I didn't realize there were tings that were still no marked or ID'd? That would be a good idea too, IMO. What happens if you just put these things in the recycle bin with the rest of the recycling? Maybe they could sort it out and determine whether it's suitable for their recycling systems? Maybe someday it will all be as easy as some folks describe above? And maybe they will someday take anything that can be recycled? I think they have a way to go on this stuff, but they are making progress. 

Our recycling takes all plastics except plastic bags and the thin plastic wrap type stuff. Those have to go to the grocery stores where they have bins for them at the entrances. Glass is separate as well and has to be taken to a glass recycling bin, which they also usually have in grocery store or small shopping strip's parking lots. You are usually not far from one no matter where you live in the county.

It would be nice to be able to just put everything in the recycle bins they give us, but it isn't all that inconvenient around here. Just have to do a little sorting and remember to take some things to the store when you go.

Hammond, Indiana has a repository for recyclable and reusable items.  Anyone can bring stuff, only Hammond school teachers may withdraw from this enclosed one floor building.  The 'hard plastic' around electronics are welcome as well as small glass jars and just about anything you can imagine as the art teachers have very good imaginations and on going projects.  John in Lansing, ILL

rtr12 posted:

I didn't realize there were tings that were still no marked or ID'd? That would be a good idea too, IMO. What happens if you just put these things in the recycle bin with the rest of the recycling? Maybe they could sort it out and determine whether it's suitable for their recycling systems? Maybe someday it will all be as easy as some folks describe above? And maybe they will someday take anything that can be recycled? I think they have a way to go on this stuff, but they are making progress. 

Our recycling takes all plastics except plastic bags and the thin plastic wrap type stuff. Those have to go to the grocery stores where they have bins for them at the entrances. Glass is separate as well and has to be taken to a glass recycling bin, which they also usually have in grocery store or small shopping strip's parking lots. You are usually not far from one no matter where you live in the county.

It would be nice to be able to just put everything in the recycle bins they give us, but it isn't all that inconvenient around here. Just have to do a little sorting and remember to take some things to the store when you go.

In Europe most if not all of the shops and grocery stores we visited made us pay for any bags they had to use for the goods we bought.  They encourage you to save your bags for reuse.  Even shopping carts are locked until you place a coin in a slot that unlocks a cart.  You get that coin back when you return the cart to it's proper place.  

We've made some inroads on being more responsible, but we have very far to go yet.  

Geojr posted:

“Man is an economic being” - By Adam Smith somewhere around late 1700’s. To me that means when I get PAID to recycle, I’ll start recycling.

do you realize how much of our supposedly “recycleable” material is actually recycled and how much simply goes to the landfill anyway!



I agree.  Recycling cost my home town so much money, they quit.  I do not recycle at all.

 

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OK, since I started this, I guess I need to give you "The rrrrrrest of the story!"....as per the late Paul Harvey.

First of all, our curbside pickup service provides a tub into which we can put all sorts of approved recyclables.  It's not up to us to sort them.  As long as the contents meet the posted criteria, we can voluntarily have them collect our recyclables bi-weekly.  

And, as stated before, one of the criteria regarding plastic items is having the recycle symbol/number embossed/stamped.

So, what if we just toss any old plastic item in....like the WS and MTH O gauge...even HO and N... structure packaging clamshells (which I reference as examples of many such plastic packaging items due to their sheer size)?  Seems harmless enough.

Well, here's the rub. 

The curbside guys are trying to make a living by helping to keep our environment safer, cleaner, re-use materials wiser, etc., etc., blah, blah.  But they're NOT the ones who check the contents of our recycables tub.  Nope. They have a contract with a recycling center/processor somewhere else that has given them a price for the aggregate collection.  All their accumulated pickups are dumped into another container and trucked/trained to the processors...the guys that pay them to deliver 'clean' (read: bonafide) materials.

So if there's non-compliant materials delivered to the processor, they send notice to the collectors that they need to put us....Peter and Paula Perpetrator...on notice that, unless we 'clean up' our act, follow the rules of the rubbish, one of two things will take place.

First, the amount the processor pays the collector will go down. They have to deal with sorting/disposing of all this...junk...that arrived at their plant.  This puts the hurt instantly on the collector, who has put his trust in us.  Their bottom line looks worse.  Their employees may start to feel a financial pinch.  Perhaps the collectors will advise the township/city....taxing authority...that this service is going to cost each of us more due to non-compliance.  Citizens will grumble, aggravate/agitate their local representatives.  If the residents start taking the attitude that this recycling 'thing' is too tedious for them, they'll simply put it all into the common trash headed to the burial grounds, the amount of recyclables will drop, and the collector will have less material to send to the processor......for which they're getting paid less than when their business relationship started.

Well, of course, the solution to that is to find another, less stringent, more benevolent processor that the collector can deal with.  But, more often than not, that second....third....fourth...choice is twice....three times....four times farther away.  Trucking/shipping costs of the bulk recyclables goes up....offsetting the better rate-per-ton of raw recyclables that the processor might pay the collector.   

Further non-compliance from Peter and Paula?  The collector, the curbside convenience service, dies....gives up...folds up the recycling option to his trash collecting service.  Default back to a simpler business model....pick it up, take it to the landfill, dump it, repeat.  Tough luck, Mother Earth.  Tough luck, employees who were part of the recycling collection business.  Tough luck, township efforts to provide environmental services.

So, look.......I'm not a so-called tree hugger.  I am, however, a conscientious reflector.  I get these nifty buildings in humongous plastic clamshell packaging....packaging that, unlike the foam-filled boxes in which my hallowed pricey engines came in, I have absolutely no intent on keeping stored under the train table or in the crawl space above the garage.   It's absolutely worthless to keep....IMHO.  But when those humongous flimsy clamshells are put in my home trash container....and literally fill THAT with the packaging of a single structure!!!!....I begin to feel some regret toward adding it to the local landfill.  It deserves for ALL of us to find a better end to its existence......recycling....voluntary.  

And all this.....just because the recycle symbol/number is too danged hard, too much a PITA, to add to the simple die, or stamped on a sticker, so that it qualifies for the most convenient way of disposal, the better way to treat our environment?  

And to think that right now some people live under the legal threat of financial penalty...or worse...for handing out, without customer request, a plastic drinking straw in order to save the planet from choking on its polymeric refuse.  But, it's too much trouble to expect a recycle logo/number on appropriate disposable items sold into our hobby??

What a crock. 

What a shame.

But, that's just MHO.

It's most certainly not my hill to die on, however, so I'm done with the question/suggeston.  Que sera, sera.

KD

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