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@ScoutingDad posted:

Passenger Car question for the group. If you had seven or eight 70ft passenger cars which are supposed to take 042 curves (3 rail, high rail wheels), and there is a through track configuration:

  • How long would you make a passenger station? At least five car lengths allowing for two head end cars
  • How long would you make a passenger terminal? How much room do you have?

While a thru multiple track terminal might be ideal, if it had to be dead ended:

  • How many cars could you back into the terminal before there would be derailing problems?
  • Since you would also have to back into the terminal through a curve would 042 be OK, or would you need to plan for a much larger curve? If you used an O-72 + track switch you should have no problems.  A sign of good track is you can go as fast in reverse as forward.     John


@ScoutingDad posted:

Passenger Car question for the group. If you had a 7 or 8 car 70ft passenger car consist which is supposed to take 042 curves (3 rail, high rail wheels), and there is a through track configuration:

  • How long would you make a passenger station?
    Depends on how much real-estate you have. If you can, I would make it for 7+ car since most 18" sets are somewhere around 7-9 cars total (main set plus add-ons)

  • How long would you make a passenger terminal?
    Same as the above answer

While a thru multiple track terminal might be ideal, if it had to be dead ended:

  • How many cars could you back into the terminal before there would be derailing problems?
  • Since you would also have to back into the terminal through a curve would 042 be OK, or would you need to plan for a much larger curve?
    If you use wide turnouts (0-72) and are going at a low speed, I do not see any issues. I tried backing my 70' cars onto a siding with an 0-42 switch and it derailed even at low speed. When I swapped it for 0-72, no more issues (I use MTH RealTrax)

Would there be any operational differences between diesels or steamers?
In theory? none. In my personal experience, steam engines prefer wider curves than recommended when backing through switches. 

And would there be a difference between Madison heavy weight (3 wheel trucks) and lightweight (2 wheel trucks) cars?
In theory? none. For both my 2 and 3 wheel trucked 70' passenger cars, they run great on 0-42 curves and can go through my 0-72 switches with ease at prototypical speeds (unless I do something dumb).

@Bill Webb and I had this question posed on another thread. This seemed like the best place for answers / suggestions / opinions   

As an aside - for my future layout - I am considering having an island/peninsula multi track dead-end terminal, with access through a wye. On exit I could go either direction, but would have to back in through the wye. Or this could be a lower level along a long wall.  I can easily run my long consist through switches going forward, but haven't really considered a long back-up.

Hope this helps answer your questions!

Bryce

@3rail posted:

I posted this as a separate video this morning but thought I would also list it here for the guys.

Donald

Really nice looking layout Don.   Nice passenger trains too.

My eyes were drawn to the layout's corn field .    I did a couple canvases of this older guy's farm and it was interesting to try to get the corn field looking good.   

Your corn field looks really great.

WOW what super passenger trains, true scale, sound, smooth operation.  @CentralFan 1976 that was a great video of the Amtrak trains and that viaduct is fabulous.  The 3rail /Don UP Alco,cnwdon City of Denver, and farmerjohn's station scene were just great!  So what can I possibly contribute in the face of such artistry?  Well how about taking a little time travel trip?

Suppose you are a young child and its 1932, the depths of the Great Depression,and you are not expecting much for Christmas as you know things are tough for Mom and Dad.  Then suddenly you find that Santa has left you with a marvelous present...The 1932-34 Joy Line clockwork passenger set and a circle of track, enough to go around the tree.  Wow imagine how you might feel.  Sound? - Well you can "cho cho" with the best of them.  Whistle? - well little brother might help.  Station Announcements?- Easy, train stops fairly often to get rewound.

Joy Line Train full consist front viewJoy LIne Train full consistJoy Line Train full consist rear view

Hope you enjoyed our little time travel trip.  Best Wishes for a good, happy, and healthy week

Don

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It’s so easy to forget the delight of our “first passenger train,” partly because we may have been too young to remember the experience after growing up, and because all our modern “toys” are bigger and better (??).  In the 1950s, those Santa Fe F3’s and the aluminum streamliner to go with them exceeded Dad’s budget, but he knew how much I loved them.  So my “first passenger train” was just a single 15 inch aluminum baggage car (no, not the desirable large-door version, just an ordinary one).  I loved that thing and parked it here and there on our 5x9 ping pong table layout for years, as the second train, a base-level General set, ran around it.  Now, that baggage car remains at the headend of my much-expanded Super Chief-an honored elder.  The General still has an honored display spot too.  Thanks for bringing back those memories.

Don

Well everyone, these are beautiful passenger trains.  I thought I might take a slightly different path just for some fun today.  This is a passenger train from a completely different era, the beginning and passage to the depths of the Great Depression. This is "outfit" in Lionel terms or "set" to us today # 292 available from 1929 -1932.  Lionel exited the 20's flying along and by '32 was facing bankruptcy and was placed in receivership and struggling to survive by Joshua Lionel Cowen in 1934.  So depending on when this showed up under your Christmas tree it was either one of many outfits in the line or one of the few left that Lionel was counting on to survive.

Outfit # 292 consisted on the #248 locomotive and the #629 Pullman and #630 Observation Car...all in Red / Cream livery.

Lionel 248 passenger train

Here it is using my Iphone close up feature. Note the figure in the back is a Barclay 0 gauge mechanic getting a drink of water.

Lionel 248 passenger train 2

Well best wishes everyone.  Great photos all and thanks for posting

Don

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