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Norm;

Your layout is absolutely the most realistic I’ve ever seen. While I am not a fan of weathering equipment, your weathering seems just right - obviously hard working equipment without looking decrepit!!! And the Q2’s are beautiful engines. Now, I have to ask one dumb question... how did you film the parts from inside the shop??? Talk about realistic - amazing.

Well while no where near as neat as the beautiful engines that have been posted, the attached PRR ore car came from MPC in 1987.  While I have no idea how many or even if the PRR had any cars of this sort, Lionel felt that they were prototypical enough to produce them.  So here is the Lionel MPC 19300 PRR ore car.

Lionel PRR ore car sideLionel PRR ore car quarter

Best wishes for a great rest of the week

Don

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The PRR's Q1, a single prototype built in 1942, was an 4-6-4-4 duplex design with the rear cylinders reversed and under the firebox to allow larger drivers.  The engine was built for fast freight but the cylinder locations resulted in a smaller firebox that could not maintain boiler pressure under load, limiting its sustained speed.  It had streamlining when it was first built, but it was removed in 1944 because it interfered with maintenance and was not that effective at low speeds.  The engine was last used in 1948 and scraped in 1949.

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The is a 3rd Rail model.

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@CAPPilot posted:

The PRR's Q1, a single prototype built in 1942, was an 4-6-4-4 duplex design with the rear cylinders reversed and under the firebox to allow larger drivers.  The engine was built for fast freight but the cylinder locations resulted in a smaller firebox that could not maintain boiler pressure under load, limiting its sustained speed.  It had streamlining when it was first built, but it was removed in 1944 because it interfered with maintenance and was not that effective at low speeds.  The engine was last used in 1948 and scraped in 1949.

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The is a 3rd Rail model.

Ron beautiful pics always enjoy looking at your 40s layout

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@GG1 4877 posted:

Reminded me that I have a PW 2332.  It needs a thorough cleaning as last time I tried to run it I had some issues.  Nothing mechanically wrong, just dirty.  I got it as more of a display item anyway, but it would be nice to see it running someday.

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Thats how mine was, sold as is, don't work , front truck was broke made a repair, degreased and new brushes and brighter lights run like a clock, thinking should I repaint and new decals not sure yet.

As mentioned above, the PRR Q1 was an attempt to develop a powerful and dual purpose engine.  While it had its issues, its design led to the far more successful freight only Q2.  The Q2 had a more conventional duplex 4-4-6-4 wheel arrangement and was probably the most successful PRR design.  25 Q2s were built in 1945/6 but they lasted only until 1951 due to relatively high maintenance cost and the introduction of the diesel engine.

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The Q2 is MTH, and the L2 is K-Line.

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@CAPPilot posted:

As mentioned above, the PRR Q1 was an attempt to develop a powerful and dual purpose engine.  While it had its issues, its design led to the far more successful freight only Q2.  The Q2 had a more conventional duplex 4-4-6-4 wheel arrangement and was probably the most successful PRR design.  25 Q2s were built in 1945/6 but they lasted only until 1951 due to relatively high maintenance cost and the introduction of the diesel engine.

DSC_0036DSC_0037PRR Q2 & L2

The Q2 is MTH, and the L2 is K-Line.

Nice looking engine CAP, thanks for all sharing some Pennsy Muscle.

Mark

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My first T1 was MTH's initial release that I bought back in 2000, a PS1 engine.  I had it upgraded with PS2 shortly afterwards, and it ran well.

T1 sold

Unfortunately, I did little research on the engine before I bought it (I do that a lot). MTH's version of the T1 is based on the as delivered prototype engine, which only two were built in 1942.  These engines had the streamline fairings removed by 1943 to ease maintenance during the high usage of WWII.  Since the fairings were gone by my layout's era (1948/9), this engine no longer fit my needs so I sold it.  While the PRR ran these two engines until 1950 or so, there have been no O scale versions built without the streamlining.

The PRR liked this design, and ignoring the advances in diesel engine technology, built 50 more of the fast passenger engines between 1945 and 1946.  None of these engines had streamlining over the drivers, but still had a streamlined look.  Here is a photo from a post by prrhorseshoecurve of the as built production T1 engine.

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Except for the last few built in 1946, the production engines had the port hole pilot.  Here again the streamlining effort interfered with efficient maintenance of the engine, so all earlier T1s had the port holes removed by 1948.  Here is my Lionel scale T1 in the T1's final configuration.

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Since only the non-port hole engines were around between 1948 and 1952 (when they were retired), this T1 configuration fits right into my layout's era.  It is one of my favorite engines and it is run a lot.

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@CAPPilot posted:

My first T1 was MTH's initial release that I bought back in 2000, a PS1 engine.  I had it upgraded with PS2 shortly afterwards, and it ran well.

T1 sold

Unfortunately, I did little research on the engine before I bought it (I do that a lot). MTH's version of the T1 is based on the as delivered prototype engine, which only two were built in 1942.  These engines had the streamline fairings removed by 1943 to ease maintenance during the high usage of WWII.  Since the fairings were gone by my layout's era (1948/9), this engine no longer fit my needs so I sold it.  While the PRR ran these two engines until 1950 or so, there have been no O scale versions built without the streamlining.

The PRR liked this design, and ignoring the advances in diesel engine technology, built 50 more of the fast passenger engines between 1945 and 1946.  None of these engines had streamlining over the drivers, but still had a streamlined look.  Here is a photo from a post by prrhorseshoecurve of the as built production T1 engine.

Willliams-PRRT1b

Except for the last few built in 1946, the production engines had the port hole pilot.  Here again the streamlining effort interfered with efficient maintenance of the engine, so all earlier T1s had the port holes removed by 1948.  Here is my Lionel scale T1 in the T1's final configuration.

DSC_0048

Since only the non-port hole engines were around between 1948 and 1952 (when they were retired), this T1 configuration fits right into my layout's era.  It is one of my favorite engines and it is run a lot.

CAP have you ever seen the PRR T1 Trust, they send out newsletters on the build, newsletter@prrt1steamlocomotivetrust.org, They have the tender for the T1. nice photos all. Mark

@CAPPilot posted:

Except for the last few built in 1946, the production engines had the port hole pilot.  Here again the streamlining effort interfered with efficient maintenance of the engine, so all earlier T1s had the port holes removed by 1948.  Here is my Lionel scale T1 in the T1's final configuration.

DSC_0048

Since only the non-port hole engines were around between 1948 and 1952 (when they were retired), this T1 configuration fits right into my layout's era.  It is one of my favorite engines and it is run a lot.

Ron;

Thanks for the history. While I am nowhere as road or era specific as you are, knowing some of the history behind these engines is great. Is your Lionel version one of the TMCC engines from around 2000??? I have one  packed away in the basement - it is a beautiful engine... I may just have to pull it out and give it a spin!!!

@Apples55 posted:

Ron;

Thanks for the history. While I am nowhere as road or era specific as you are, knowing some of the history behind these engines is great. Is your Lionel version one of the TMCC engines from around 2000??? I have one  packed away in the basement - it is a beautiful engine... I may just have to pull it out and give it a spin!!!

Yes, this is the 2000 engine.  Lionel released only this one production run because it got caught up in the lawsuit with MTH.  I would really like to see it released again with Legacy.

My engine has been modified.  It came without cruise control, so I has a TAS Engineer On Board installed.  The TAS EOB was a good board, although many did not like the built in slow acceleration.  This was not fixable, but I do not find it a problem (engines are suppose to start slow).  The one great thing about the TAS EOB board was it ability to change chuff rates between 2 and 4 chuffs/rev through the Cab1.  It is neat to hear the 4 double chuffs each rev.

The biggest issue was the too-wide center drivers as they would short out on some switches.  I had the drivers beveled which fixed that problem.

FYI - I became era and road specific to force me to keep my train buying under control.  Since then the research has become part of my enjoyment of the hobby.

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