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I have a Lionel 8141-55k conversion kit and it didn't come with instructions. I found a 9-step list but it doesn't answer some questions that pictures would cover such as which way do the wires poke through the black piece so that the wick sits in the large end of the funnel shape or over the narrow end? Does the black piece go with the wires poking down into the engine or poking up? Exactly which piece is the smoke gasket and which piece is the fiberglass liner? The two white pieces that come with the kit look like felt to me. One is a thick disk with a notch cut out of it and one is a thinner disk with a hole in the center. Which is which? The spring is narrower at one end than the other. Which end goes up and which end goes down? If someone has an original set of instructions with diagrams or pictures, that'd be ideal!

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@TrainLarry posted:

If your original pill type heater is still working, there is no need for the conversion. Add liquid smoke fluid to it and it will work, with the added benefit you can always use pills. Repro pills are available just like the originals.



Larry

Well, that's the thing. I'm not sure what's going on. I tried pellets. I put one in and it disappears after a while so I'm pretty sure it's melting but there's no smoke coming out of the stack! The puffer bar (or whatever it's called) that is supposed to cause the smoke to puff does move back and forth with the turning of the wheels. Its spring seems OK.

Take the smoke unit out and take it apart. Take out the element and the felt underneath the element. There is a hole in the bottom of the cast bowl that needs to be open. It gets clogged with pellet material. Scrape all old pellet material out of the bowl, and install a new felt lining if need be. Make sure the piston is free to move up and down and does not hang up.

Once it is all cleaned, reassemble the smoke unit and try it. It should puff normally.



Larry

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Which model engine are you converting ?  Mine was on a Lionel 2026 from 1951.

I did this awhile ago, so this is from "shaky" memory, but:

1.  The wiring should be exactly the same as the existing. The only thing you are basically doing is swapping wick material and the heating element.

2. The black piece is the smoke pot cap.

3. After cleaning out the bottom of the old smoke pot, the white felt with the notch is the "liner" and goes into the bottom of the smoke pot. The notch should fit around the little pipe.

4. The white felt with the round hole is the gasket that seals the top of the black cap to the underside of the engine shell to help keep smoke going up and out the stack and fluid not leaking out and to keep excess heat from getting to the shell.

5. The wick slides over the heating (resistor) element. I don't remember it being critical which part of the smoke pot it sits in as long as it is fully enclosed when the black cap is on.

6. The spring is not part of the heater assembly. It is a replacement for the spring on the lever that pumps the smoke out if it is not pumping correctly. 

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@TrainLarry posted:

Take the smoke unit out and take it apart. Take out the element and the felt underneath the element. There is a hole in the bottom of the cast bowl that needs to be open. It gets clogged with pellet material. Scrape all old pellet material out of the bowl, and install a new felt lining if need be. Make sure the piston is free to move up and down and does not hang up.

Once it is all cleaned, reassemble the smoke unit and try it. It should puff normally.



Larry

I couldn't get the cap off. It appears to fit inside the main unit. Instead, I just poked up through the hole in the bottom and reamed it out. I put everything back together and I have smoke again. I'm glad I bough the conversion kit, though. I needed to replace the felt pad that goes between the cap and the body of the locomotive. Thanks to you and all who took the time to answer this noob's questions! I'm sure I will have more once I start expanding my layout.

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