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I am currently operating one S scale train with a 1950's American Flyer #372 GP7 loco. It had a noisy balky E-unit which I removed. I converted the loco for DC track power with a bridge rectifier that maintains a fixed polarity on the field windings of the series-wired motor. Now I have simple reliable direction control by changing track polarity, and the loco runs very smooth and quiet with good low-speed control.

 

My reference books show that postwar-era American Flyer made both AC and DC powered trains. I presume the DC versions had permanent magnet motors? I'm just wondering how American Flyer marketed and promoted two different systems. I have very limited experience and knowledge of vintage American Flyer. Any info is appreciated.

  

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So far my S-gauge operation is very small: one short train shuttles back and forth on 30 feet of track. It's a start!

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American Flyer introduced a few S-gauge DC locomotives in 1947.  Attached is a 2-page pdf file with a scan of the 1947 Section of the book “A.C. Gilbert’s Heritage” written by Donald Heimburger.  According to this source, apparently the reason Gilbert introduced DC was because of the poor design of the reversing units in their AC locomotives.  The reversing unit coil was energized all of the time the track was powered and became magnetized.  But one side benefit of those DC locomotives was that an AC and a DC locomotive could be run on the same track and controlled individually using a special power supply.  However they ended this “experiment” in 1950.  Only the 4-8-4 Northern and 0-8-0 switchers were available with DC.   AC versions of those locomotive models were also made in the 1947-50 period.



HTH,



Bill

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Ace:

 

American Flyer introduced a few S-gauge DC locomotives in 1947.  Attached is a 2-page pdf file with a scan of the 1947 Section of the book “A.C. Gilbert’s Heritage” written by Donald Heimburger...

  

Bill 

That's great information, Thanks Very Much! 

 

It mentions a special rectifier tube that changed color from red to blue when under load. That sounds pretty cool for 1940's technology.

We had one DC Gilbert engine. In 1955 we (my dad) bought a selenium disc full wave bridge rectifier rated 4A. It is 2"x2"x4" and was not cheap at the time. The tubes in the Gilbert DC power supplies were also expensive to replace if needed.

Just for information, the 332 engines in 1947 were DC and not marked on the cab. In 1950 an uncatalogued 332DC engine was made. The cataloged 1950 engine was a 334DC which was also made. In 1948 and 1949 332 engines were made with either DC or AC motors.

342 engines made in 1947 and 1949 were DC. In 1948 a 332 could be either AC or DC. A 342DC was made in 1948, 49 and 50. No further DC engines were made by Gilbert after 1950.

I have a 332DC I haven't run in decades that I built a bridge rectifier for with a directional switch from Radio Shack parts. It ran really well. It was around 1981. I remember the dealer at the show asking me if my girlfriend was a model. We've been married 30 years and she still looks pretty good. And yes Ace it has the permanent magnet field coil.

Thank you all for the comments and info. We really take cheap solid-state rectifiers for granted in modern times.

 

I've wondered if others have converted these old series motors for DC track power? I'm really happy with the quiet operation of my AF#372 GP7 and the convenience of positive remote reversing with DC track power, like the smaller scales.

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