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(Am going to use 1/2". Not willing to ck off to 3/4 - using L girder and cookie cutter )     Am having no luck at finding 4x8  5 to 7 ply either birch or maple plywood in the Northern ATL area. All Lowes stores that say they have some in stock - don't.  So question, did find at Lowes a 7ply 1/2" 4x8 blondewood  - primed on one side.  Does anyone have any experience with "blondewood".  I looked it up, can contain various types of wood, typically foreign made, doesn't appear to have voids / hollow spots. Our joists r 12" to 14" apart so not spaning 24".   Really want the 7ply birch; it ain't happening.  Maple - nada. Frustrating.   Did find 1/2" 4x8 homasote at Capitol Materials near Cumming, GA. $64 for a 4x8 sheet. Sheesh

Tom

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(Am going to use 1/2". Not willing to ck off to 3/4 - using L girder and cookie cutter )     Am having no luck at finding 4x8  5 to 7 ply either birch or maple plywood in the Northern ATL area. All Lowes stores that say they have some in stock - don't.  So question, did find at Lowes a 7ply 1/2" 4x8 blondewood  - primed on one side.  Does anyone have any experience with "blondewood".  I looked it up, can contain various types of wood, typically foreign made, doesn't appear to have voids / hollow spots. Our joists r 12" to 14" apart so not spaning 24".   Really want the 7ply birch; it ain't happening.  Maple - nada. Frustrating.   Did find 1/2" 4x8 homasote at Capitol Materials near Cumming, GA. $64 for a 4x8 sheet. Sheesh

Tom

Try a real lumber yard other than a big box store

Try a real lumber yard other than a big box store

Jackson, wow, 1/4" and no problems.  interesting.  I'm thinking we're pretty good (safe - non sagging)  w 1/2". I don't want to over engineer this thing -esp at these lumber prices, but don't want to also say shoulda coulda.  I may just go get the blondewood and move fwd.

Dave, Lumber yards were my 1st choice. Called a ton of std lumber yards around here. Nothing. The cupboards are bare. Then deferred to the big box stores. Still nothing.  I might have had a bit more luck back home, but then I'd have to transport it 12 hrs to get it here and if it rains on the way - yikes!!.  I have 3 days to start laying some track or i'm not back till late summer / early fall.

Tom     

I bought this plywood at my local Home Depot in Tacoma a few weeks ago, for $49. It has gone up nearly $10 in price since then.  I was really pleased with it for an extension to my train layout.  Note that I live in Tacoma, perhaps one of the timber capitals of the world, one-time homes to Weyerhaeuser and Ben Cheney (who invented the 2by4) and also current home to the "American Plywood Association". So, it was somewhat of a surprise that the plywood I purchased was from Ecuador.  That aside, it worked well for me, also appreciate the team at the Home Depot who cut the wood to the dimensions I needed.     

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Jackson, wow, 1/4" and no problems.  interesting.  I'm thinking we're pretty good (safe - non sagging)  w 1/2". I don't want to over engineer this thing -esp at these lumber prices, but don't want to also say shoulda coulda.  I may just go get the blondewood and move fwd.

Dave, Lumber yards were my 1st choice. Called a ton of std lumber yards around here. Nothing. The cupboards are bare. Then deferred to the big box stores. Still nothing.  I might have had a bit more luck back home, but then I'd have to transport it 12 hrs to get it here and if it rains on the way - yikes!!.  I have 3 days to start laying some track or i'm not back till late summer / early fall.

Tom     

Im guessing it must be regional , from what I have seen here in WI the shelves have been full, no issues getting what I want, from either Menards Home Depot , and the local yards,  I dont see "The Lumber Shortage!"  Touted here , but then again , I live in an area where logging and timber production is the main industry, and with the frost restrictions, coming off the roads. the timber trucks have been back on the roads/    As Far as Prices, its all related to the cost of Fuel  and the effect it has on everything  .

The question is whether you plan on standing on your layout. If not, you can use 1/4" with proper support. Two-inch extruded foam can also be used if you aren't going to stand on it. I was planning on using 3/8" OSB on 16" bracing in 4-foot sections. For the beams, I was looking at using 3/4" PVC "lumber" (after testing its characteristics) since it's dimensionally stable.

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The question is whether you plan on standing on your layout. If not, you can use 1/4" with proper support. Two-inch extruded foam can also be used if you aren't going to stand on it. I was planning on using 3/8" OSB on 16" bracing in 4-foot sections. For the beams, I was looking at using 3/4" PVC "lumber" (after testing its characteristics) since it's dimensionally stable.

exactly!

Advantech by Huber industries.  Absolutely the flattest, most moisture resistant 4 X 8' panel available.  Has become one of the most desired subfloor materials in the construction industry.  Solid and heavy, great for sound control.  Can easily span 32" fingers with out longitudinal frame members for model RR's.  I have been using it for many years with out failure.

Be careful not to use their entry level "Blue" product.  It is OK but not the very best.

You certainly don't need birch plywood.  I don't get that, it's a waste of money.  Advantech is a good product indeed for deck plywood in new construction but 3/4" tongue and groove underlayment is way overkill for a toy train layout.  Frank, it's not light, basically an OSB with high tech glue for moisture resistance.  I just sold a job today @ $71.44 a sheet.  I work at a lumberyard, been selling sticks for 35 years.  Homasote is actually quite rigid in itself if you don't have to crawl on it.  If you do, 1/2" CDX Fir with 1/2' Homasote on top is what I have used with success.  Or 1/2" square edge Fir underlayment if you don't want the homasote on top.  Forget the birch plywood and 3/4",  Just my opinion, its a free country last I heard.

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Many years ago...after having a 'Contractor's Corner' representative at a well-known local home improvement chain store respond to my 'Do you have...?' inquiry with: "What's Homasote?"...I went to a local lumber mill that has a  100-year history in our city.  They, of course, were well versed in Homasote.  However, there were several caveats to procuring it from them.

First, and most importantly, they do not typically stock it.  The reason is quite simple.  Because it is essentially a 'paper' (cellulose) product, it MUST be stored in a climate-controlled environment.  The call for Homasote is so low, so random, they cannot afford to store a quantity of it in their only relatively small climate-controlled facility.  Which leads to the next most significant problem...

Unless you are ordering a significant quantity of full sheets of Homasote, they cannot meet the minimal quantity requisite from either the manufacturer or the freight shipper.  At that time, anyway, a full stack of Homasote sheets was in a factory-wrapped package, requiring enclosed trailering, which often was not a full-load proposition for a shipper.  Rates were/are accordingly, applied to the per-sheet price, of course.

Then, too, all of the above might result in long lead times to receive an order.  They apparently had developed some information about other regional mills and stores that purveyed Homasote--and similar construction materials having like caveats.  If it was acceptable to you, the buyer, for your minimal quantity of full sheets and timing not being critical, they would inquire of that list of regional suppliers to see if there might be a source within 'reasonable' driving distance...and get back to you...in a few days...hopefully.   Safe transport therefrom would usually be up to the buyer.

And, no returns of full sheets...period.

IOW, to the construction material retailer pro-in-the-know, I got the feeling that, although Homasote is a unique, sometimes useful material (we're NOT talking about being market-limited to model railroad builders/enthusiasts here!) in the trade, it's a bit of a PITA for them to deal in.

Back then, I gave up the idea of using it.  Too much trouble for the expense.  And, besides, I was in 'the dark side' of the HObby.  Noise reduction was actually quite trivial a problem in the scheme of things...IMHO, of course.

Fast forward a bunch of years ...

Well, more recently we have a couple of Menard's outlets locally.  They do, indeed, stock/sell Homasote (Thank you, Mr. John Menard, a model railroad hobbyist!).  Typically sold in half-sheets.  And their stores are adequately climate controlled for proper storage.  Not a national solution for the hobbyist, but a growing regional one.

FWIW and from my own experience.

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My contractor for my shop an train room bought me extra Advantech and 2x4’s 10 years ago. As he used the Advantech for all my floors and roof.   My layout is 12x24 and has 2” styrofoam on top. Tung an groove Advantech works well.  I fished my train room walls and then built my layout table a year later.

Mentioned the sheets above just as an alternative to the plywood.  You won’t need a finished ply if you cover it up with styrofoam or homasote just saying.

Good luck to you 😊

Seth

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