The above picture of the C&NW engines was taken with my iPhone XR and is in JPEG format and is a 3.4MB size file. The APPLE HEIF (compressed) file would be about 1/10 of that size. I suspect that 95% of all Apple iPhone users that take pictures are doing so to upload them to social media websites or email/text them to friends. They probably couldn't care less about "quality". Apple is probably doing most iPhones users a favor since most users are on limited data plans and/or running out of space on their phones. All major social media sites can handle the new Apple picture format. The iPhone X series and iPhone 11 series have nice resolution cameras and take great pictures but do create larger size files using JPEG format.


DG posted:

... iPhone users that take pictures are doing so to upload them to social media websites or email/text them to friends. They probably couldn't care less about "quality"...

And there, in one sentence, is a PERFECT description of the millennial generation.

Let's do a side by side comparison. Here' s my original jpg, which is a 193K file.
CO Hudson Original

And here is the same image, compressed down to a 31K file.
CO Hudson jpg Test

If you don't see the difference in the quality of these images, or if you see it but it doesn't bother you, welcome to the millennial generation.

Hard drive and device memory cost is cheap today. There's no need to sacrifice quality just to save a few bytes of memory!


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Just a quick update... I checked the size of the two Apple Compressed File (HEIF) pictures that I took for a different thread on OGR Forum that got me into this discussion, and their size was 1.2MB. Assuming that if I had used JPEG settings, I would have gotten a similar size to the above picture of 3.4MB, it sounds like Apple is using to 3 to 1 compression ratio which is not "that" bad. So my previous guess of 10 to 1 compression was not correct. Looking at the two Apple compressed files on a 24 inch monitor, I can see great details including counting rivets on a building.

As I posted earlier in the this thread, I converted the 2 pictures from HEIF type to PNG to post them on the other thread, and the size of the PNG files are 2.1MB, so again I don't think there was a whole lot of "loss" details.

EDITED: Changed original 1.2GB to 1.2MB and original 3.4GB to 3.4MB. Hope Rich is now happy!!!

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DG posted:

...the two Apple Compressed File (HEIF) pictures...size was 1.2GB. Assuming that if I had used JPEG settings, I would have gotten a similar size to the above picture of 3.4GB..

Two still images total 1.2 GIGABYTES? That's just crazy!

I work in Photoshop literally ever day. I have prepared tens of thousands of images for publication in this magazine, other magazines and for a book I'm about to publish. A FULL PAGE image at 300 dpi, in CMYK color format is a tif image of 30 to 40 Megabytes. To say it another way, that's .03 to .04 Gigabytes for a full page, 8.5" x11" image. A high quality jpg image (a compressed format) is in the 8 to 10 megabyte range, which is .008 to .01 Gigabytes.

How in the world do you get 1.2 GIGABYTES in only two still images? Even worse, how to you get to 3.4 Gigs for two jpg images!

Something is drastically wrong here.

OK, finally figured out how to export the pix in their saved format (JPG or HEIC). Settings>Photos>Transfer to Mac or PC - check keep originals. This scene isn't a great example - not a lot of fine detail - but here's a comparison of one pic shot in HEIC, and one in JPG. Opened both in PS, cropped to a little under 1,000 pixels on a side, and saved as the highest jpeg quality.

First is HEIC:


Second is the jpeg:


The jpeg out of the phone was 4.6 MB, and the HEIC was 3 MB.

And, just to confirm what DG wrote, uploading the HEIC file to the forum didn't work. It shows a page with the corner turned down where the image thumbnail should be under files, when in edit reply.



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I'm with Rich, how in the world did you get 600MB for a graphic???   I think Apple has lost their collective minds!


My bad typing on iPad, meant 1.2MB and 3.4MB, well I got the 2.1MB correct so cool off..

If it would make you happy, edit my post to correct it or I will when I get home on a reasonable size keyboard 😁

EDITED: Wow that is the quickest run home in history so I could update my above post, hope you are happy Rich. And yes John, since the iPhone has a 12 megapixel camera, getting a 3.4GB or 1.2GB picture out of it would be amazing!!!

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Apple starting using their version of HEIF in their phones because it is much better than JPEG at compression without losing image quality, among other advantages over JPEG. Google and Microsoft are starting to support it now.

I agree with Jim, I have uploaded Apple compressed pictures to Windows 10 computers with no problem, posted them on camera forums with no problems (not surprising), and text/emailed them to Android based devices with no problems for the receiving party, so that is why I was surprised when OGR forum software didn’t seem to like the files.

In fact the way I converted the Apple compressed pictures to PNG files to post here was to upload them to a Windows 10 computer and then convert and post them

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