In Stock Now ! UNCATALOGED EXCLUSIVE NEW YORK CENTRAL LEGACY J3A #5416 Hudson Only 25 Engines to be produced. Only at WWW.PATSTRAINS.COM

Pat, if you binned the class lights the scale guys would be lining up for them.

pete

I pre-ordered one this morning.  My first Legacy engine.

Thanks, Pat.

Pat, what about the firebox color and the cylinder heads? Is this going to be an all black engine?

Unless you already have information that Lionel is planning on releasing a separate- sale plain boiler front, it would probably pay to have a run of those made also (if that's possible with parts).

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Norton, it would be less costly and easier to replace the class-lighted boiler front than the other way around. Although I prefer the lights, I would be interested in a plain front if reasonably priced.

Dave

Dave, having changed the 5444 front to plain it would only be easier if the plain front was available. No word that that will be the case. Otherwise it would be easier to drill holes and add lights to plain front than filling holes and trying to match the paint. With Pat's offering there will now be six J3s offered, all with Class lights. All of the standard tender engines will be wrong as Class lights if used happened well after the Hudsons were removed from the name trains. You would have never seen class lights on the parent companies tracks anywhere, anytime and only on some of the subs west of Cleveland. 5405 as built would not have had them, nor any J3a heading a train in 1939. The Roman lettering on the other two standard tender engines would date them pre 1945 so no class lights.

Its not a big deal for me as I already have the two TMCC engines plus a number of other J3s but I know of at least 4 others who won't be ordering any because of the class lights as well as a few here who have said the same thing.

Pete

Hey, Guys

I will ask Lionel if they can make a few of these J3a Hudson’s with no marker lights. I would ask you guys to let me know who would want one. Please give me a call at the store or reply to this thread. I will add that, this engine had marker lights at one point in its career.

Thanks

Pat

Pat,

It makes no difference to me whether the engine does or doesn't have class lights.  So, if Lionel will make the engines only with or without (I would be very surprised if Lionel will make them without) lights, I am fine without.

GregM posted:

Pat,

It makes no difference to me whether the engine does or doesn't have class lights.  So, if Lionel will make the engines only with or without (I would be very surprised if Lionel will make them without) lights, I am fine without.

 

 

If enough guys come forward, I will try to get them to make some with no lights.

Best Regards

Pat

Actually Pat, if Lionel would just remake the front with no lights that was used on 5433 I think most all that want them could change the fronts out ourselves.

Neither you nor Lionel would have the make that engine both ways. Just make the part available to anyone that wants it.

The headlight would not be required.

Pete

I would be in for one without.

I will sign up for one on Monday if I can switch my existing pre-order for #5405 to another item (probably #611 S of R). The #5416 is more to my liking (without white wheels and stripes). I don't like the cars with the Pacemaker set (thumb tacks), so didn't go that route. I went with the Defense Specials...they should look good with a J3a.

PATSTRAINS posted:

Hey, Guys

I will ask Lionel if they can make a few of these J3a Hudson’s with no marker lights. I would ask you guys to let me know who would want one. Please give me a call at the store or reply to this thread. I will add that, this engine had marker lights at one point in its career.

Thanks

Pat

 

Pat I would for sure commit to one without lights.   I’m interested eithier way but for sure without.   Do we need to give you a call to make it official? I also am curious of the smoke box finish and cylinder head color on these.   I saw someone had asked but I didn’t see it addressed.  

Norton posted:

Actually Pat, if Lionel would just remake the front with no lights that was used on 5433 I think most all that want them could change the fronts out ourselves.

Neither you nor Lionel would have the make that engine both ways. Just make the part available to anyone that wants it.

 

Pete summed it up in a nutshell.

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I will add this,

There are now six engines being made/proposed. Having this additional front doubles the available engine styles to twelve. Making another engine just for this change does not garner sales from those wanting one of the previous five without lights.

All that is needed is a note in the box with the engine stating that the part is available on Lionel's website or through their dealer. And make enough to have the part available for a year.

Dave

I applaud Pats effort in getting an uncataloged model made.

Given Lionels track record of "what you see isn't necessarily what you'll get". Outside of driver type and lack of pinstriping its gonna be a crapshoot as far as smokebox or steamchest.

I'm inclined to think this model will be the set model with a different cab number.

I also think the jury is out until delivery regarding the smokebox on any of the models.  Ryan stated on the facebook show that each model represents a different time period, but did not mention any specifics regarding color etc.

I'm not sure why Lionel is dodging the "no class lights". Maybe the boiler front tooling is missing.

As someone who's not interested in ordering, but just reading through the thread...It would make some sense to me that Lionel should just add the extra boiler front for the engine in the box, and if someone wanted no lights, they can just change out the front. I cant see the cost being that much of a difference. Cudo's to Pat for making this happen for you guys.

RickO posted:

I'm inclined to think this model will be the set model with a different cab number.

 

The following is from the first post in this thread.

      "This engine is a sister engine to The Pacemaker 5410 and would look great doubled headed."

I took this to mean it would be exactly the same as the set engine except with cab number 5416.  And after talking to Pat when I placed my order, I am certain it is the same engine.

GregM posted:

RickO posted:

I'm inclined to think this model will be the set model with a different cab number.

 

The following is from the first post in this thread.

      "This engine is a sister engine to The Pacemaker 5410 and would look great doubled headed."

I took this to mean it would be exactly the same as the set engine except with cab number 5416.  And after talking to Pat when I placed my order, I am certain it is the same engine.

Exactly. Which will mean class lights.

Smoke box color will remain to be seen regardless. I also question the polished cylinder heads. 

In fact ,the second run of legacy FEF's did not actually have the polished cylinder heads like the first. They were merely painted silver.

I wouldn’t mind paying a small premium added on if infact  the front could be a separate add on included in the box, this way everybody can be satisfied.....win, win?.....I second the applause for Pat to look into this for us.....thank you sir, and thank you for the offering....................Pat

RickO posted:

GregM posted:

RickO posted:

I'm inclined to think this model will be the set model with a different cab number.

 

The following is from the first post in this thread.

      "This engine is a sister engine to The Pacemaker 5410 and would look great doubled headed."

I took this to mean it would be exactly the same as the set engine except with cab number 5416.  And after talking to Pat when I placed my order, I am certain it is the same engine.

Exactly. Which will mean class lights.

Smoke box color will remain to be seen regardless. I also question the polished cylinder heads. 

In fact ,the second run of legacy FEF's did not actually have the polished cylinder heads like the first. They were merely painted silver.

I'm getting lost at this point.  As I stated above, doesn't matter if engine has the lights or not.  When I placed my order, it was because the uncatalogued engine would be like the set engine, no white stripes, no whitewall drivers, nor would it have mixed drivers but like all the J3A engines, it would have class lights.

 Pat later posted that he would see if Lionel would make some of the engines without class lights.  I posted that I want the engine regardless of whether class lights are included or not and that IF Lionel would only make the 25 uncatalogued engines either with or without class lights I was fine without so that the engine would appeal to a wider audience.  If (and I highly doubt that this will happen but I have been wrong before) Lionel makes some with and some without, I will take one with class lights.

Norton posted:

Pat, if you binned the class lights the scale guys would be lining up for them.

pete

Those blasted lights. Not present in the photo, it seems - the photo of the model's purported actual prototype. It has gotten to be a big thing precisely because it is such a small Lionel-correctable thing.

So this offering will look nothing like the photo above?

It appears Lionel doesn't have the tooling to do the smokebox without the marker lights, nor to invest into re-tooling the piece.

I find it hard to believe in this day and age Lionel couldn't have a boiler front produced. Either way they will sell a Bazillion of these beauties anyway.

I'm in. 

Since another dealer has announced that Lionel will make this engine with a PT tender and without class lights exclusively for that dealer perhaps Pat will be able to get his engine made without class lights also.  See, reverse psychology works every time.  All I have to say is something likely won't happen and it does.

Hey, Guys

I wanted to let you guys know of our solution to the classification lights. I had a great conversation with John Bickford from Lionel today and we talked about the solution of the classification lights on the boiler front. Here is our solution, I will for no extra cost to the customer order extra boiler fronts without the lights and include them for free with the preorder of our Hudson.  

Thanks For All of the input.

Best Regards

Pat

Pat,  I just placed my Pre-order on line for the Stock Number 19314ZZ Uncatalogued Exclusive New York Central Legacy J3A #5416 Hudson.

I am glad that both boiler fronts will come with the engine.  I look forward to its arrival.  Thank you.

Sincerely, John Rowlen

PATSTRAINS posted:

I will for no extra cost to the customer order extra boiler fronts without the lights and include them for free with the preorder of our Hudson.  

Thanks For All of the input.

Best Regards

Pat

Wow Pat...  thats great...

I am looking forward to getting this #5416 Hudson.  This engine solved my dilemma as to which Hudson I should pre-order.  I like the BoxPox Wheels and did not want a mix of drivers on the engine.  My NYC Empire State engines have the Disc Wheels, so the #5416 gives me exactly what I want.  It will come with classification lights and another second boiler front without the lights.  Win-win.

Sincerely, John Rowlen

Way to go on the class lights issue! Wonder if Lionel will make these available for the cataloged engines...?

Marker lights, no marker lights...I want WHITEWALLS! Guess I'll just stick with my Flyer Hudson.

Hey, Guys

I want to say thanks to all of you guys for ordering our Special Run Hudson. We only have 3 pieces left and they are sold out.

 Thanks 

Pat

Pat,

Thank you for the update.  Good to know this version is a success too.

Trying to figure out if this special run has the regular or PT tender?

Paul Kallus posted:

Trying to figure out if this special run has the regular or PT tender?

I would guess by the pic Pat posted, it's the regular tender.

Paul Kallus posted:

Trying to figure out if this special run has the regular or PT tender?

Pat's uncatalogued engine has the same tender as the Pacemaker set engine.  I understand that to be the regular tender.  Pat is including a boiler front without class lights with each of his engines.  

Hey, Guys

As of today there are only 2 Hudson Engines left.

Thanks

Pat

Hey, Guys

Please view the Lionel Update drawings of our Special J3A. Please note as of today 2/25/2019 these Hudsons are sold out.

Thanks

Pat

Pat, 

Thanks for posting the drawings.  

Looks good.  Any reason you are holding it to 25?  Just curious.  If there is demand why not meet it?

Ben 

Looks beautiful Pat!!! Can't wait 

Looks great, Pat!! Just what I wanted as a J3a. Thanks for arranging this special version and confirming my preorder. 

Bob

Hey, Thanks for all of your support. These beautiful engines are now sold out.

 Thanks 

Best Regards

Pat

Hey, Guys

I keep getting E-Mails from customers asking me to make more than the 25 engines and my answer is no. The reason is that if we produce more than the 25 pieces this engine will not be a limited run and I will not go back on my word. There are other dealers making limited run pieces and they are making as many as they can sell. I feel this takes the thrill out of buying a limited run item.

Thanks

Pat

PATSTRAINS posted:

Hey, Guys

I keep getting E-Mails from customers asking me to make more than the 25 engines and my answer is no. The reason is that if we produce more than the 25 pieces this engine will not be a limited run and I will not go back on my word. There are other dealers making limited run pieces and they are making as many as they can sell. I feel this takes the thrill out of buying a limited run item.

Thanks

Pat

Pat, Pat, Pat.  I applaud you.    For those people that can't see what Pat is all about, he's turning away (possible) extra profit of a larger run to ensure he holds true to his word of only making 25 units.  Pat stuck a stake in the ground before he had a single order.  He's standing by that instead of throwing his promise to the wayside to grab a few extra dollars.

Pat, you are a moral upstanding man.  You set the parameters for your custom run offering for this loco and you're standing by that.  That, my fellow OGR forumites, is the definition of integrity.  Applaud him, don't ask him to go back on his word.

Stu

Hey, Guys

These engines are here.

 Thanks 

Pat

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UNCATALOGED EXCLUSIVE NEW YORK CENTRAL LEGACY J3A #5416 Hudson http://www.patstrains.com/View...Details=View+Details

UNCATALOGED EXCLUSIVE NEW YORK CENTRAL LEGACY J3A #5416 Hudson Hey, Guys We are proud to announce that Lionel will be producing a Exclusive run of The NEW YORK CENTRAL LEGACY J3A #5416 Hudson. This engine will not have Whitewall tires or white stripe but will have Boxpok drivers and no mixed wheels. This engine is a sister engine to The Pacemaker 5410 and would look great doubled headed. These engines are sure to sell out fast because there will only be 25 produced and only sold through Patrick's Trains. Please view the details below. The best of the best! The J3a represented the ultimate development of the Hudson type - a locomotive synonymous with the New York Central. Introduced in 1937, the J3 held prime passenger assignments until the arrivals of the Niagara's nearly a decade later. Over two decades of service, the appearance of the class changed as well. This new release, the first in over 15 years by Lionel. LEGACY® Control System equipped – able to run in LEGACY® Control mode, in TrainMaster Command Control mode, or in Conventional mode with a standard transformer Bluetooth® Control - Operate with Universal Remote or LionChief App Odyssey™ II Speed Control LEGACY™ RailSounds™ sound system featuring: CrewTalk™ dialog and TowerCom™ announcements, each with different scenarios depending on whether the locomotive is in motion or stopped Six official railroad speeds with CrewTalk dialog DynaChuff™ synchronized with 32 levels of intensity as the locomotive gains speed LEGACY® "Real-Time Quilling Whistle" control with instant response for realistic signature "quilling" and correctly timed warning signals Single hit or continuous bell sounds Sequence Control: plays the sound effects of an entire trip, including warning sounds and announcements, based on the movement and speed of the locomotive Current speed and fuel dialog, coal-loading sound effects IR Transmitter works with LCS SensorTrack™ Powerful maintenance-free motor with momentum flywheel Wireless Tether™ connection between locomotive and tender ElectroCoupler™ on rear of tender Directional lighting including operating headlight and back-up light on rear of tender Illuminated classification lights on the front of locomotive Traction tires Interior illumination in cab Die-cast metal locomotive body, pilot, and trucks Die-cast metal tender body and trucks High level of separately applied metal details Separately applied builder’s plate Synchronized fan-driven smoke unit Adjustable smoke output Authentically detailed cab interior Cab "glass" windows Engineer and fireman figures ADDITIONAL FEATURES: Whistle Steam Stock Number: 1931800 Gauge: O/O-27 Gauge Manufacturer: Lionel Product Type: Locomotives Price: $1,499.99 Availability: In Stock

Mine is on its way. At Pat’s request they were delivered with the no class lights boiler front installed at the factory. The other boiler front will ship separately. And, something I didn’t notice in the drawings Pat posted earlier, the shell is totally black therefore no grey/silver/graphite color issues.

I can’t wait for her to arrive. 

Mike

For anyone like me who uses the first unread post feature, start at the beginning of this thread for additional pictures and a video of this version of the J3A Hudson.

Mine is on the way also.

You have a winner here Pat. Good work. Those who ordered this one get the prize. Had Lionel done 5405 like this I would have been all over it.

Pete

November 19, 2019 ...Pat,

I have not received an email notice or invoice for my New York Central JA3 #5416.  When did you send out the invoices or PayPal requests?  I called last week and you were not sure when the Hudson would arrive at your store.  I just re-checked my email and have not received an invoice.  Thanks you for the opportunity to add this engine to my railroad.

Sincerely, John Rowlen

Wow Pat that is absolutely awesome!

Just checked USPS tracking, mine is "Out for Delivery." 

Dang Pat, these look really great. If I didn't order so much already, I'd pick one up from you.

PATSTRAINS posted:

Hey, Thanks for all of your support. These beautiful engines are now sold out.

 Thanks 

Best Regards

Pat

Pat posted the above back on 2/28/19.  If any are available to purchase there must have been cancelations.

If there were and I had some extra money, I would.

I'm very happy to say that I was one of the lucky 25 who were able to purchase one of these limited run NYC J3As from Patrick. Can't wait to receive mine!

Pat

Me too!  Did anyone see the Hudson modification that @Norton did in the past?  Maybe he'll chime in, but I think one of the modifications was a Precision Scale Headlights.  I think it improved it so much that I would almost consider doing that to this one.  

Thanks so much, Pat, for doing this run.

Thanks Larry. Its not that hard. the one mounted on my 5444 was an uncored headlight (4420) which meant I had to drill it out to install the Lionel number plates in the sides. PSC also offers ones already cored (4743). This is one of them. The reflector has been painted with Molotow Chrome. I make my own lenses.

Pete

Thanks so much, Pete. So you used the original Lionel headlight platform?  I will have to research on here your method of the headlight lens.

Larry Mullen posted:

Thanks so much, Pete. So you used the original Lionel headlight platform?  I will have to research on here your method of the headlight lens.

 

 

I did keep the original platform primarily because of the number plate and emblem. To make a lens I just measure the diameter of the opening. Then find a drill bit with the same diameter. Chuck it up in drill press or drill motor backwards and file, sand, and polish the back end to an acceptable radius. Then find a piece of steel or brass at least 1/8" thick and drill a clean hole in it with that same drill. Reverse the drill and start punching out lenses.

Pete

ezmike posted:

Mine is on its way. At Pat’s request they were delivered with the no class lights boiler front installed at the factory. The other boiler front will ship separately. And, something I didn’t notice in the drawings Pat posted earlier, the shell is totally black therefore no grey/silver/graphite color issues.

I can’t wait for her to arrive. 

Mike

Out of curiousity, I wonder if the engine has wiring that will allow the other boiler front with lights to have the lights illuminate. I'd be surprised if the wiring for the lights is present, or even if the replacement boiler front has the bulbs installed. 

Norton posted:

Larry Mullen posted:

Thanks so much, Pete. So you used the original Lionel headlight platform?  I will have to research on here your method of the headlight lens.

 

 

I did keep the original platform primarily because of the number plate and emblem. To make a lens I just measure the diameter of the opening. Then find a drill bit with the same diameter. Chuck it up in drill press or drill motor backwards and file, sand, and polish the back end to an acceptable radius. Then find a piece of steel or brass at least 1/8" thick and drill a clean hole in it with that same drill. Reverse the drill and start punching out lenses.

Pete

Thank you.  I'm not sure I understand where the clear lens part actually comes from?? Or are you using the Lionel lens and making it fit?  Sorry, just not following.  That said, have any for sale?? 

Was the Lionel headlight fixture attached by a screw or will I need to use the Dremel to remove it?

Thanks again, Pete.

I received a tracking number today.  I am eager to see the #5416 next to the #5415.

I did think the factory was sending the #5416 engines with the classification lights on the engine, since it would be easier to install the boiler front without classification lights later.  Hopefully arrangements were made for adding the lights so a service trip is not necessary.

Either way, I am thrilled to get this new Hudson. My other Hudson runs smoothly and sounds great.

Sincerely, John Rowlen

breezinup posted:

ezmike posted:

Mine is on its way. At Pat’s request they were delivered with the no class lights boiler front installed at the factory. The other boiler front will ship separately. And, something I didn’t notice in the drawings Pat posted earlier, the shell is totally black therefore no grey/silver/graphite color issues.

I can’t wait for her to arrive. 

Mike

Out of curiousity, I wonder if the engine has wiring that will allow the other boiler front with lights to have the lights illuminate. I'd be surprised if the wiring for the lights is present, or even if the replacement boiler front has the bulbs installed. 

Looking behind the installed boiler front I do not see any wiring for the class lights.  It remains to be seen whether the replacement boiler front has LEDs or not.

Larry Mullen posted:

Norton posted:

Larry Mullen posted:

Thanks so much, Pete. So you used the original Lionel headlight platform?  I will have to research on here your method of the headlight lens.

 

 

I did keep the original platform primarily because of the number plate and emblem. To make a lens I just measure the diameter of the opening. Then find a drill bit with the same diameter. Chuck it up in drill press or drill motor backwards and file, sand, and polish the back end to an acceptable radius. Then find a piece of steel or brass at least 1/8" thick and drill a clean hole in it with that same drill. Reverse the drill and start punching out lenses.

Pete

Thank you.  I'm not sure I understand where the clear lens part actually comes from?? Or are you using the Lionel lens and making it fit?  Sorry, just not following.  That said, have any for sale?? 

Was the Lionel headlight fixture attached by a screw or will I need to use the Dremel to remove it?

Thanks again, Pete.

Larry, I just use some bubble wrap for the lens material  if its clear and smooth enough. You will have cut the headlight off the platform. When I did this I bought a spare 5444 headlight to sacrifice. You may want to hold off until you see if Lionel will have spares for your engine. Another option is get the 5444 headlight and renumber it for your engine.

Pete

GregM posted:

breezinup posted:

ezmike posted:

Mine is on its way. At Pat’s request they were delivered with the no class lights boiler front installed at the factory. The other boiler front will ship separately. And, something I didn’t notice in the drawings Pat posted earlier, the shell is totally black therefore no grey/silver/graphite color issues.

I can’t wait for her to arrive. 

Mike

Out of curiousity, I wonder if the engine has wiring that will allow the other boiler front with lights to have the lights illuminate. I'd be surprised if the wiring for the lights is present, or even if the replacement boiler front has the bulbs installed. 

Looking behind the installed boiler front I do not see any wiring for the class lights.  It remains to be seen whether the replacement boiler front has LEDs or not.

While talking with Pat today, I specifically asked if the boiler front with the class lights will have LEDs, he said yes they will.

GregM posted:

GregM posted:

breezinup posted:

ezmike posted:

Mine is on its way. At Pat’s request they were delivered with the no class lights boiler front installed at the factory. The other boiler front will ship separately. And, something I didn’t notice in the drawings Pat posted earlier, the shell is totally black therefore no grey/silver/graphite color issues.

I can’t wait for her to arrive. 

Mike

Out of curiousity, I wonder if the engine has wiring that will allow the other boiler front with lights to have the lights illuminate. I'd be surprised if the wiring for the lights is present, or even if the replacement boiler front has the bulbs installed. 

Looking behind the installed boiler front I do not see any wiring for the class lights.  It remains to be seen whether the replacement boiler front has LEDs or not.

While talking with Pat today, I specifically asked if the boiler front with the class lights will have LEDs, he said yes they will.

Could it be the one plug handles both headlight and class lights? It should be just feeding power to the boiler front.

If memory does not fail me the J3a came out in 1937 about the time the NYC stopped using classification lights on the main line because of the installation of CTC on the mainline (New York to Chicago}. Latter when they were downgrade to secondary lines that did not have CTC classification lights were added to these engines.  

As proof of my above statement about classification lights added to some NYC J3as later  go to rr-fallenflag.org and look up NYC Hudsons beginning with number 5400. They are copyrighted so can not reproduced here.

Hey, Guys

We have 1 Hudson left and then they are gone.

 Thanks 

Pat

UNCATALOGED EXCLUSIVE NEW YORK CENTRAL LEGACY J3A #5416 Hudson http://www.patstrains.com/View...Details=View+Details

UNCATALOGED EXCLUSIVE NEW YORK CENTRAL LEGACY J3A #5416 Hudson Hey, Guys We are proud to announce that Lionel will be producing a Exclusive run of The NEW YORK CENTRAL LEGACY J3A #5416 Hudson. This engine will not have Whitewall tires or white stripe but will have Boxpok drivers and no mixed wheels. This engine is a sister engine to The Pacemaker 5410 and would look great doubled headed. These engines are sure to sell out fast because there will only be 25 produced and only sold through Patrick's Trains. Please view the details below. The best of the best! The J3a represented the ultimate development of the Hudson type - a locomotive synonymous with the New York Central. Introduced in 1937, the J3 held prime passenger assignments until the arrivals of the Niagara's nearly a decade later. Over two decades of service, the appearance of the class changed as well. This new release, the first in over 15 years by Lionel. LEGACY® Control System equipped – able to run in LEGACY® Control mode, in TrainMaster Command Control mode, or in Conventional mode with a standard transformer Bluetooth® Control - Operate with Universal Remote or LionChief App Odyssey™ II Speed Control LEGACY™ RailSounds™ sound system featuring: CrewTalk™ dialog and TowerCom™ announcements, each with different scenarios depending on whether the locomotive is in motion or stopped Six official railroad speeds with CrewTalk dialog DynaChuff™ synchronized with 32 levels of intensity as the locomotive gains speed LEGACY® "Real-Time Quilling Whistle" control with instant response for realistic signature "quilling" and correctly timed warning signals Single hit or continuous bell sounds Sequence Control: plays the sound effects of an entire trip, including warning sounds and announcements, based on the movement and speed of the locomotive Current speed and fuel dialog, coal-loading sound effects IR Transmitter works with LCS SensorTrack™ Powerful maintenance-free motor with momentum flywheel Wireless Tether™ connection between locomotive and tender ElectroCoupler™ on rear of tender Directional lighting including operating headlight and back-up light on rear of tender Illuminated classification lights on the front of locomotive Traction tires Interior illumination in cab Die-cast metal locomotive body, pilot, and trucks Die-cast metal tender body and trucks High level of separately applied metal details Separately applied builder’s plate Synchronized fan-driven smoke unit Adjustable smoke output Authentically detailed cab interior Cab "glass" windows Engineer and fireman figures ADDITIONAL FEATURES: Whistle Steam Stock Number: 1931800 Gauge: O/O-27 Gauge Manufacturer: Lionel Product Type: Locomotives Price: $1,499.99 Availability: In Stock

ns1001 posted:

As proof of my above statement about classification lights added to some NYC J3as later  go to rr-fallenflag.org and look up NYC Hudsons beginning with number 5400. They are copyrighted so can not reproduced here.

5400-5404 are J1e's and had class lights. 5405 is the first J3a and was built without class lights as were all the rest. Its been pointed out in their last years some were moved west to the Big E and maybe other subs where class lights were still used but this applies only to a handful.

Pete

Its true that probably only a few J3a ever received classification lights even though in Al Staufer's book Thoroughbreds he did several drawings of J3a with classification lights as built. The same arguments were used 18 years ago on this forum when the 2000 J3a Hudsons  were released. By 1946 they had a different feedwater system applied which changed their  appearance as well as the PT tenders. Don't think you will find a photo of one change being applied without the other.

By the way did order one Friday with the fresh from Alco look. I call these the AF engines since they first did them in 1939 in 3/16 scale.

Correction - did find a photo of 5402 with feedwater change but still with 6 wheel truck tender.

My Lionel 1931800 New York Central Hudson #5416 from Pat's Trains runs perfectly.

Both it and #5415 from Mr. Muffins Trains perform without flaws.  I am very pleased.  There is no stutter or wobble to the engine as the video shows.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving.

Sincerely, John Rowlen

Hey, Guys

We have one Hudson left to sell.

 Thanks 

Pat

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UNCATALOGED EXCLUSIVE NEW YORK CENTRAL LEGACY J3A #5416 Hudson http://www.patstrains.com/View...Details=View+Details

UNCATALOGED EXCLUSIVE NEW YORK CENTRAL LEGACY J3A #5416 Hudson Hey, Guys We are proud to announce that Lionel will be producing a Exclusive run of The NEW YORK CENTRAL LEGACY J3A #5416 Hudson. This engine will not have Whitewall tires or white stripe but will have Boxpok drivers and no mixed wheels. This engine is a sister engine to The Pacemaker 5410 and would look great doubled headed. These engines are sure to sell out fast because there will only be 25 produced and only sold through Patrick's Trains. Please view the details below. The best of the best! The J3a represented the ultimate development of the Hudson type - a locomotive synonymous with the New York Central. Introduced in 1937, the J3 held prime passenger assignments until the arrivals of the Niagara's nearly a decade later. Over two decades of service, the appearance of the class changed as well. This new release, the first in over 15 years by Lionel. LEGACY® Control System equipped – able to run in LEGACY® Control mode, in TrainMaster Command Control mode, or in Conventional mode with a standard transformer Bluetooth® Control - Operate with Universal Remote or LionChief App Odyssey™ II Speed Control LEGACY™ RailSounds™ sound system featuring: CrewTalk™ dialog and TowerCom™ announcements, each with different scenarios depending on whether the locomotive is in motion or stopped Six official railroad speeds with CrewTalk dialog DynaChuff™ synchronized with 32 levels of intensity as the locomotive gains speed LEGACY® "Real-Time Quilling Whistle" control with instant response for realistic signature "quilling" and correctly timed warning signals Single hit or continuous bell sounds Sequence Control: plays the sound effects of an entire trip, including warning sounds and announcements, based on the movement and speed of the locomotive Current speed and fuel dialog, coal-loading sound effects IR Transmitter works with LCS SensorTrack™ Powerful maintenance-free motor with momentum flywheel Wireless Tether™ connection between locomotive and tender ElectroCoupler™ on rear of tender Directional lighting including operating headlight and back-up light on rear of tender Illuminated classification lights on the front of locomotive Traction tires Interior illumination in cab Die-cast metal locomotive body, pilot, and trucks Die-cast metal tender body and trucks High level of separately applied metal details Separately applied builder’s plate Synchronized fan-driven smoke unit Adjustable smoke output Authentically detailed cab interior Cab "glass" windows Engineer and fireman figures ADDITIONAL FEATURES: Whistle Steam Stock Number: 1931800 Gauge: O/O-27 Gauge Manufacturer: Lionel Product Type: Locomotives Price: $1,499.99 Availability: In Stock

Hey, has anyone heard about the status of the boiler front that was to come with the special run Hudson?

Pat, any word from Lionel?

ezmike posted:

Hey, has anyone heard about the status of the boiler front that was to come with the special run Hudson?

Pat, any word from Lionel?

I was wondering the same thing. It was supposed to be the "sister engine" to the J3a that comes in the set 5410 with classification lights, but with the extra boiler front with no class lights. I happen to have wanted the classification lights and was a little disappointed when it arrived without class lights so I'm patiently waiting to swap out the boiler fronts.

Pat, can you keep us posted on the forum as to the status of the second boiler front?

ezmike posted:

Hey, has anyone heard about the status of the boiler front that was to come with the special run Hudson?

Pat, any word from Lionel?

Have you tried calling Pat?  Maybe use @PATSTRAINS to alert him to your inquiry.