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Now that I’ve debugged Lionel TMCC/Legacy on my large layout, I’m gathering courage to take on DCS again.  I have several TIUs (all Rev L) and a few DCS remotes, none of which have had a software update in years now.  I need to updates all this hardware, as well as set up “Super TIU”.  I’ve searched for a thread on this forum about the process of doing this when it’s “large” as in my case, so as not to waste time doing things out of sequence.  I have. Barry’s book (sorry to learn we have lost him), in its latest edition, so I have the basic instructions.  Have done updates in the past, have the needed cables, so it’s not entirely new to me.

I’ve been a bit unclear about what to do first, second and third etc to be systematic in a large update like mine with the need to wind up with Super TIU working across the whole railroad.  Is there info on existing threads to help avoid missteps and wasted time and effort?

Footnote: I expect I will want to use the DCS app, in case that offers a simplifier in not having to deal with updating multiple remotes.  Do have my WIU, too.

Thanks, Don

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I can't think of any reason that there are differences for you. You still have to update everything singly. That's the case if you have one TIU and remote, or several. Make sure you have the latest software in your WIU(s) as well.

 I personally would start with the TIUs. I wouldn't test anything, until everything was updated. Otherwise you may have issues if the versions don't get along.

I have 4 TIUs and 3 remotes myself and have to update each one with no shortcuts that I remember? I don't use supermode though. I have different loops using their own systems.

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Thanks, E-Joe.

Understanding that there is extra cost in adding one WIU per TIU, is there some simplicity in using my iPhone or iPad with the deluxe DCS app instead of DCS remotes, in terms of not needing to do all the remote updates?  I see that the app can handle locomotive consists, and looks like relatively simple to set them up.  Don't believe Lionel's app can do this.  I like the simplicity of the Lionel LionChief app (and the small size of my iPhone in my hand) for what it can handle.  And what about the issue of having to add locomotives to each remote (to one, and then clone to others?) vs. just using the app--will the app "find" locomotives on track without "adding" them first, as required with the remote?

Any wise head who has played with DCS WiFi who can advise on some of these basic pros and cons will be appreciated.

Re: TIU's, do TIU software updates have to be step by step from one update to the next, or can I install the latest version over whatever earlier version is on a TIU?  Once that is done can then place each TIU into Super TIU mode, I believe?  Looks like this last step can be done through the smartphone/pad app.

Does using the app save time now and for future updates, over having to update regular DCS remotes?

Lots of questions....Just beginning to read DCS WiFi Companion 2nd Edition, and re-read DCS Companion 3rd Ed.

Thanks

"is there some simplicity in using my iPhone or iPad with the deluxe DCS app instead of DCS remotes, in terms of not needing to do all the remote updates? "

If you have the remotes, you should update them so they are usuable. If you don't, it can cause issues if/when you try them.

 

"I see that the app can handle locomotive consists, and looks like relatively simple to set them up. "

It is easy to use the pro app and build consists.

 

"what about the issue of having to add locomotives to each remote (to one, and then clone to others?"

You can clone from one master remote. I've read that you can also send this to the app?

 

"vs. just using the app--will the app "find" locomotives on track without "adding" them first, as required with the remote?"

You still add the engines to the device (if not cloned). It does seem easier and faster to add to the app than the remote.

 

"do TIU software updates have to be step by step from one update to the next, or can I install the latest version over whatever earlier version is on a TIU? "

no, you can go directly to the newest update (after DCS 2.X? I believe). Only the oldest versions need to be brought forward first (to 3.x) I can't remember the exact versions right now. I'll look it up.

"Does using the app save time now and for future updates, over having to update regular DCS remotes?"

The app will update itself over the internet when connected. No cords or holding the remote's power button!

 

 

Last edited by Engineer-Joe

Thanks for all of the above answers, they will shorten the learning process.  My hard copy of WiFi Companion is arriving Amazon Prime tomorrow.  Pdf downloaded already; the word search capability when needed is worth having it.

If  you do find the minimum version (3.x or ??) as the base for additional updates, will appreciate that.  Agree, should have at least one remote fully updated so it can be used if needed.

Now ready to get to work on this when time permits.  The MTH fleet awaits....

Don

The Rev. L TIU updates should go very quickly, they're easy.

For the remotes, just make SURE you have a clamp to hold the power button, you have no idea how long 5-6 minutes is when you're sitting there holding down a tiny button!  One slip and you have to start over!

I use a little spring clamp with a small dimple stick-on to insure the button is firmly activated.

Don't play around and seek trouble.  Update all remotes & all TIUs to the latest version of the DCS software.  

Cloning does not update software.  Get one remote set as you want it, with locos and softkeys per your desire.  Then save the remote's data (which is not its software) to a computer and clone all other remotes from it.

 

RJR posted:

Don't play around and seek trouble.  Update all remotes & all TIUs to the latest version of the DCS software.  

Cloning does not update software.  Get one remote set as you want it, with locos and softkeys per your desire.  Then save the remote's data (which is not its software) to a computer and clone all other remotes from it.

 

Engineer-Joe posted:

I can't think of any reason that there are differences for you. You still have to update everything singly. That's the case if you have one TIU and remote, or several. Make sure you have the latest software in your WIU(s) as well.

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