During my career, I was often required to proofread documents. I guess that’s why I am pointing this out. I hope I’m not sounding like a nudge.
On the pages with the beer cars it says “for ages 21 & older”. However, on the page that displays the wine car, there is no statement about age. Are drinking ages different for beer and wine?
By the way, I like the beer and wine cars and will probably order them. I’m 70 years old. Old enough to know better.
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rrvics posted:On the pages with the beer cars it says “for ages 21 & older”. However, on the page that displays the wine car, there is no statement about age. Are drinking ages different for beer and wine?
Nope. Has nothing to do with proofreading. When dealing with licensing issues, you have to follow the legal requirements stated in your license. If you have a license with a beer company and they say you have to include the age wording, then you do it. When dealing with a wine for which you need no license, there's no such requirement to include any legal text.
Stu
rrvics posted:
By the way, I like the beer and wine cars and will probably order them. I’m 70 years old. Old enough to know better.
I hope old enough to know that you should go for it! 
You might check out the MPC-era Lionel beer and liquor cars, too. There are some very interesting ones - a lot of fun to collect.
Vic,
Your son is old enough to drink beer and wine with you these days. Remember you bringing him to train shows as a youngster. I'm a grandpop these days with my daughter expecting #2 grandson soon. Time flies.
To Breezinup
Yes I do have the MPC beer and liquor cars. I always thought that the finish on MPC cars were very well done.
To Ted
Yes my son is now old enough to drink beer and wine with me (he prefers beer). I just wish that it didn’t happen that quickly.
It is illegal to ship items in Beer, Wine & Liquor boxes. The post office will not accept them since it is possible they have alcohol products enclosed and a minor can receive them. I'm not sure about UPS & Fed Ex.
The GN Man posted:I believe Stu is correct. The Chateau Martin brand of wines (from California) no longer exists.
Here is a link to Jim Lancaster's page with abundant information regarding the Chateau Martin rail car fleet. IIRC, Atlas was doing a custom Chateau Martin reefer for O Scale West several years ago but it got cancelled.
Interesting history behind the Chateau Martin (California) brand. Apparently Canandaigua Wine, the eventual owner, let the name drop. My guess is that there were trade name legal problems, given that Chateau Martin is a fairly well-known winemaker in the Bordeaux region of France, so the parent company of the California winery had to stop using the name. Atlas O's cancellation of a new Chateau Martin reefer may have been related to these trade name issues, and inability to get rights from the French company, but that's only speculaton.
"In 1933, after Prohibition ended, Martin Lefcourt established Lefcourt Wine Co., later Eastern Wine.
The company purchased American wines from wine-growers and blended them to make their own
brand, which they sold as Chateau Martin. The "Chateau" part was to imply a quality French wine,
while the "Martin" part came from Lefcourt's first name.
"The Chateau Martin brand was owned by Eastern Wine Corporation of New York. The winery was in Waterford, CA
on the SP Oakdale Branch and bulk wine was shipped in Chateau Martin cars from Waterford to the Bronx.
The wine was bottled in New York. In 1972 Eastern Wine Company and its famous wine label were purchased by Canandaigua Industries. On December 4, 1972, Canandaigua Industries changed its name to Canandaigua Wine Company."
ed h posted:As Not LionelLLC pointed out to me, how about a Lionel Lines Mount Clemons passenger car in the 2020 Big Book ?
Believe this has been corrected in the printed catalog, but the online photo is below.
It's just like Huck Fin, several years later. (missing second "n")
-Dave
The Traditional O gauge sized Center Beam Flat Cars and Bulkhead Flat Cars are labeled as Standard O scale sized freight cars. That could have been confirmed by having the actual models on hand while assembling the catalog information.
Andrew
falconservice posted:The Traditional O gauge sized Center Beam Flat Cars and Bulkhead Flat Cars are labeled as Standard O scale sized freight cars. That could have been confirmed by having the actual models on hand while assembling the catalog information.
Andrew
More confusing is the length of the bulkhead flatcars is listed as 2.5 inches shorter than the center beam cars, but yet the 2 cars look very similar. Looking closely at the photo of the bulkhead flatcar, can see its length is about 1 1/3 fastrack sections long, which would make the length greater than the 11 inch length listed.
The Center Beam Flat Cars and Bulkhead Flat Cars are the same car, so they are the same length.
The Center Beam is not used for the Bulkhead flat car, so the pulpwood load can fit on the flat car.
I have previously produced models of them both.
Andrew
What happened to Lionscale cars?
NS1975 posted:What happened to Lionscale cars?
They've been so popular that production can't keep up with demand. Once they get caught up on producing all the backorders, you can expect to see more.
Some of the clubs are to blame as the clubs are also getting special/custom run LionScale cars.
Like these Coors and Budweiser cars.
Stu
I found this passage describing the GP35 in the Lionel 2019 Big Book interesting:
"Following quickly on the heels of the GP30, EMD's GP35 quickly proved to be a much more improved and reliable locomotive than its immediate predecessor. Initially owned by dozens of locomotives around the country, through sales, mergers, rebuilds and leases, these venerable locomotives have worn over 100 different paint schemes in the past 50 years."
I did not know that locomotives could own other locomotives.
Beer and wine are one thing for kids toys but what about cigarettes. Lionel billboard. Don
NOT LionelLLC posted:NS1975 posted:What happened to Lionscale cars?
They've been so popular that production can't keep up with demand. Once they get caught up on producing all the backorders, you can expect to see more.
Some of the clubs are to blame as the clubs are also getting special/custom run LionScale cars.
Like these Coors and Budweiser cars.
Stu
Nice cars, mid 2020 delivery date. Does that mean the lionscale reefers from 2018 vol 1 will arrive also.
I had rocket launchers coming out the ying yang among MANY other "questionables" .
I think the ads as era history overrides any P.C. concerns.
I loved the old beer cars as a kid; but might drink one in a year or two today and never abused alcohol (for more than "one session")
As a kid I was allowed one 4-6oz beer or wine daily if I choose it. I collected ashtry stands, cigarette holders, and tobacco pipes too, but hated smoking them.
I avoid celebration of vice but I baulk hard at avoiding history/reality too.
I don't know if the disclaimer is law or policy. Law- if the wine is on the market I'd say that's an oops. I don't know know it would apply if the wine were fictional, product discontinued, company O.o.B. etc.
Policy- would depend on the licence in place I think (I'm not a lawyer and shouldn't be. .... I don't spell well either, but did do ad work; proofreading "arguments" can be fun😜)
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