Yeah, it is that orange/red which people sometimes say "Tuscan red" which it isn't. Tuscan red is what was dressed on the GG1 and the E7(or E8) most recently. Here is what Tuscan red looks like below.
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I would add more plumbing to both sides of the locomotive. If you look at photos of the real thing they had quite a bit.
PAINT COLORS FOR PRR LOCOMOTIVES AND TENDERS
As of October 8, 1929
DARK GREEN LOCOMOTIVE FINISH
*All Locomotive Wheels, *Trailer Truck Frame, Pilot, Wooden Pilot Beam, Cylinder Head and Steam Chest Casings, Cylinder Jackets, Boiler Jacket (including inside Cab), Headlight, Bell Frame, Sand Box, and Dome, Air Resivoirs, Running Board Facing Strips, Cab Exterior, including Doors, Valve Motion (Painted Parts), Tender Cistern Exterior: Sides, Back, and Front End (except Coal Space), also Molding Strip between cistern and frame, Tender Frame (wood)
BLACK
*All Locomotive Wheels, *Trailer Truck Frame, Steel Pilot Beam, Pilot Beam Braces, Round Number Plate: background, Engine Truck (except wheels), Frames and Braces, Hand Rails, Running Boards and Brackets (except facing), Steps, Pipes and Fixtures, Brake Rigging, Deck Plate, Tender Frame (steel), Tender Steps, Tender Trucks and Wheels, Tender Coal Space
NOTE: *Dark Green and Black were Optional for Locomotive Wheels and Trailer Truck
FRONT END PAINT
Smokebox, Stack, Firebox (exposed portion), Ash Pan
FREIGHTCAR COLOR
Wood Cab: Roof above Rain Gutters (repainting when only one coat is applied)
Tender: Top of Cistern, including rear of Coal Space)
MIXTURE OF THREE PARTS FREIGHT CAR COLOR AND ONE PART BLACK
Wood Cab: Roof above Rain Gutters (repainting when two coats are applied)
Steel Cab: Roof above Rain Gutters (repainting when only one coat is applied)
MIXTURE OF EQUAL PARTS FREIGHT CAR COLOR AND BLACK
Wood Cab: Roof above Rain Gutter (new cabs) Steel Cabs: Roof aboe Rain Gutters (new cabs and repainting when two or three coats are applied)
SASH COLOR
Cab Window Sash (side and rear)
INTERIOR CAB GREEN Cab Interior, including doors and seat boxes
ADDITIONAL COLORS USED IN THE LETTERING AND STRIPING
BUFF LETTERING COLOR
Freight and Switching Locomotives: ALL Lettering on Locomotive and Tender.
Round Number Plate: Numerals and Border
GOLD LEAF
Passenger Locomotives: All Lettering on Locomotive and Tender, Striping on Locomotive Wheels, Cab and Tender. Round Number Plate: Numerals and Border, Keystone Number Plate: Numerals and Border
WHITE COLOR
Passenger Locomotives: Striping on Locomotive Wheels, Cab and Tender
CHOCOLATE STRIPING COLOR
Passenger Locomotives: Striping on Tender
TOLUIDINE RED
Keystone Number Plate: Background
Note- Gold Leaf was used on all Keystone Number Plates, including those on M1 and M1a Locomotives in freight service.
DESCRIPTION OF COLORS
DARK GREEN LOCOMOTIVE FINISH
Was a mixture of Green and Black which was so dark that it usually appeared Black
FRONT END PAINT
Was a heat resistant black graphite paint to which some aluminum powder was added. The shade of this "silvery-black" color varied at different shops and engine houses.
FREIGHTCAR COLOR
Was a standard PRR Freight Car Red as used on all Freight Cars.
SASH COLOR
Was a Brilliant orange-red which was called "dark orange" on Passenger Car window sash. It was a mixture of Venetian Red, Chrome Yellow and White.
INTERIOR CAB GREEN Was an ordinary medium Green
BUFF LETTERING COLOR
Was a very light yellow. It was a mixture of Chrome Yellow, White, and a small amount of Venetian Red.
GOLD LEAF
Was Genuine Gold Leaf made of real Gold Leaf.
CHOCOLATE STRIPING COLOR
Was a Light Brown. It was a mixture of Indian Red, Chrome Yellow and Black.
TOLUIDINE RED
Was a bright Scarlet Red
Pat, I have updated the list again per Bob stating that the orange is correct in the tender, so I listed engine and tender colors are okay
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:Pat, I have updated the list again per Bob stating that the orange is correct in the tender, so I listed engine and tender colors are okay
Thanks Dave!….I was gonna do some work on this baby today, but alas, the Hudsons were a callin’ ……..I did get up with John, and got the electronics we want, including that special smoke feature board that popular consensus says we do,……the day job is gonna be tight this week, but I’ll see if I can pick away at some smaller details to keep the “train a rollin” …….ugh, that was weak…..🤣🤣
Pat
It has been a busy weekend indeed. Car getting serviced, run around, get car, come home, go to bed, get up, go shopping, come home, eat breakfast, haha. I just know that it has been a busy few days, like a week's worth of stuff in three days.
Good thread! My only objection is to the idea of putting the speaker in the tender. Generally, in an O gauge loco, there is room in the boiler for the speaker and since that is where the sound comes from, that is where the speaker should go. Otherwise, it sounds weird.
Ed
@Ed Kelly posted:Good thread! My only objection is to the idea of putting the speaker in the tender. Generally, in an O gauge loco, there is room in the boiler for the speaker and since that is where the sound comes from, that is where the speaker should go. Otherwise, it sounds weird.
Ed
That’s gonna be a tall order Ed, and likely ain’t gonna happen, …..in order for the sound to be robust, the speakers ( in this case, there’s gonna be 2 ) need an enclosure, that enclosure needs to send the sound out for the best sound, ……with everything else going on in the boiler ( smoke units, lighting, wiring, weights, etc,..) there ain’t gonna be a whole lotta room,….. just about every modern 3 rail locomotive has the speaker(s) in the tender,…..with the occasional stereo sound with one in the boiler…..we can’t get too carried away, or the price point will be that of a small mortgage,…..I’d like to be able to offer the model at a decent price point for all those watching out there in TV land….😉
Pat
I would imagine most of the engines that do have speakers in the engine and tender, the ones in the engine are probably dang small or there is extra room in the boiler. The likes of the Big Boy, Challenger, I think the Class A and maybe EM-1 are the only ones I think that could apply. Anyone have an idea if that is a correct assessment?
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:I would imagine most of the engines that do have speakers in the engine and tender, the ones in the engine are probably dang small or there is extra room in the boiler. The likes of the Big Boy, Challenger, I think the Class A and maybe EM-1 are the only ones I think that could apply. Anyone have an idea if that is a correct assessment?
Your assessment is correct. From what I have seen most small locomotives do not have a boiler speaker and only in the tender. Most of the in boiler speakers are left for the big ones. Such as the VL and Legacy Big Boys, VL Class As, and VL Challengers. The EM-1s are the only ones left out. I do not know however if MTH does something different but that is what Lionel has done.
Unless you're right on top of the locomotive, I can't see where the location of the speakers is a huge deal. I agree it would be better to have them in the boiler, but that ain't happening for most models.
You can pickup two of the Lionel 40mm 16 ohm speakers and one of their matching baffles, they make great sound that way.
One example...
Ryan and Dave had talked about the dual speakers at length in the Challengers and Big Boys. That I do remember from the catalog shows. The Class A Ryan I believe was explaining it at York when they unveiled it. He did say that some other engines they had thought about the possibility of speakers in the engine, but just not enough real estate to make it work they would either sacrifice something else, or the size would be too tiny to do anything good.
The tender is cavernous, it’s definitely getting twin speakers, and an enclosure,….that’s a given on modern upgrades, …..
one more thing that bugs me, the black on all the trucks, ( tender trucks, pilot & trailing trucks ) ……it’s too glossy IMO, ….we want this to reflect a model, not a toy, so while we have all the wheel sets out, I’ll blast the trucks down to bare metal, and shoot them a nice contrasting satin black,….I think that combined with all the blackened wheel sets will make it pop, and drag this model into this century……..I did look at the marker lights on the front of the engine ( thanks for the clarification on this PRR people ) although they are the correct cube type, there’s no provision to light them as I can see, ….fortunately, I have the correct square stock brass that matches the size of the ones on the model now, so I’ll fabricate a new pair of lamps we can light up as you guys have suggested…….
Pat
@harmonyards posted:That’s gonna be a tall order Ed, and likely ain’t gonna happen, …..in order for the sound to be robust, the speakers ( in this case, there’s gonna be 2 ) need an enclosure, that enclosure needs to send the sound out for the best sound, ……with everything else going on in the boiler ( smoke units, lighting, wiring, weights, etc,..) there ain’t gonna be a whole lotta room,….. just about every modern 3 rail locomotive has the speaker(s) in the tender,…..with the occasional stereo sound with one in the boiler…..we can’t get too carried away, or the price point will be that of a small mortgage,…..I’d like to be able to offer the model at a decent price point for all those watching out there in TV land….😉
Pat
I always wondered how good the later Lionel steamers sounded when they put a speaker in the boiler and the woofers in the tender. I liked the concept anyways. I never tried it myself. A G scale steam engine might be a fun place to try.
Pat, et al,
I have a bunch of locos from 2-8-0's up to a 2-8-8-2 and everyone has the speaker in the boiler. Admittedly, the decoder goes in the tender. Some of the speakers are cell phone speakers and they sound so loud that I have to turn down the volume.
This is for Pat: Which Pittman is in the S-2? Is it a 9000 series, perhaps a 9233 or a 9234 or some other Pittman?
Thanks,
Ed
@Ed Kelly posted:Pat, et al,
I have a bunch of locos from 2-8-0's up to a 2-8-8-2 and everyone has the speaker in the boiler. Admittedly, the decoder goes in the tender. Some of the speakers are cell phone speakers and they sound so loud that I have to turn down the volume.
This is for Pat: Which Pittman is in the S-2? Is it a 9000 series, perhaps a 9233 or a 9234 or some other Pittman?
Thanks,
Ed
It’s definitely a 9000 series Ed, ….I think it’s a 34, but I’ll be sure to make note of it when we go in for the kill,….I really didn’t pay no never mind which one it was, ….step 1 was to see if this thing ran smoothly, and was worthy of doing an upgrade without a boat load of mechanical work,…..I was pleasantly surprised how well she behaved just slapping a rectifier in there and let her run……it cruised just fine with out an electronics package …….this means any package we put on this, …..it’s just icing on the cake,…..but I’ll make sure I note which Pittman is installed in this engine …..
Pat
And while on the topic this is the S2 that I want. Live Steam ! BTW, Watching you close Pat. I also have a 3rd Rail S2 waiting for TMCC. j
Let’s dive into the popular consensus mods!…..first order of business, get rid of that light silver on the smoke box, …..y’all said it needs to be darker, so let’s make it so!….I’ll use my proprietary graphite blend which I know is way darker than what’s on the model as delivered,…..step 1 is to bathe the shell, soft brush, & dawn dish soap. Next, mask it up, 1/4” fine line tape, & 3/4” mask …..aluminum foil is my favorite paper mask, …the real real cheap stuff from the dollar store is the best IMO, …it’s like paper that crumbles up, but stays put,….it’s also super cheap,….note I’ve also scuffed the old smoke box color with fine gray scotchbrite, …I like a mechanical bond for paint, …no worrying about flaking off…..beings this smoke box silver is so light, best we lay down a black base coat. Before the black base coat has a chance to completely cure, I’ll shoot the proprietary graphite color ….that will give me the chemical bond between the two coats ……after this reply, I’ll carry the pieces outside so y’all can really see the difference before I shoot the smoke box front ….small details on the front are simply touched back up there’s so few of them, no need to go bananas,…..
also note, for the “markers” on the front, the cube type housing were present, and we can light them up as they should be, so before painting, we made the necessary holes, and test fitted LED’s BEFORE painting …..nothing like a perfect paint job, only to realize you need to put a power tool to it!…..no bueno!….figure that junk out first!!
Pat 
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Today, we’ll also tackle all those chrome wheels!…..there’s a lot of chrome on this locomotive, ……I’m sure if we went to a car show, we’d get first place for bright work,…..but we ain’t at a car show, so let’s fix that!…….first thing to do is pass the wheel sets through the glass cabinet, ….the fine media happily munched on all that chrome plating, and knocked them back down to plain steel, …..after a wash in warm soapy water, into the black oxide dip,……a 10 minute soak, and they come out nice & black…..then a soaking in penetrating oil so the oxide will suck up the oils, and rust proof them…that was a lot of wheels!!….
Pat 
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Holy Toledo Pat, that dark graphite looks great. That color really gives that sinister Pennsy look. I was looking at the before and after, it is a good contrast seeing it go from the silver to great dark color. I like how you got that silver off that handwheel making it the red that we usually see on some high end models. Another class act job Pat.
Along with the umpteen billion wheel sets I darkened, I also darkened the drivers, they had too much chrome going on too,…..…can anybody spot the subtle add on detail I did on the chassis that’s not present on the model as delivered?……thanks big time for those of you that have sent me research info on this locomotive!……it’s a lot of help!!……
Pat 
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@harmonyards posted:can anybody spot the subtle add on detail I did that’s not present on the model as delivered?
Red knob?
@harmonyards posted:
Wow that looks REALLY nice. I feel like my wallet will be hurting when I send my fleet to you for shopping and paint someday!
@rplst8 posted:Red knob?
I should’ve been a little more forthcoming, …..spot the detail added to the chassis
Pat
Here’s this evening’s mock up shot, still a lot of pieces to put back on, but wanted everyone to see, the chrome is now all gone, also note, all the trucks have a nice satin black finish now, …..
Pat 
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Looking good! The blackened wheels and smoke box definitely looks good on this model. Definitely an improvement.
@harmonyards posted:I should’ve been a little more forthcoming, …..spot the detail added to the chassis
Did the linkage to the oiler move?
@rplst8 posted:Did the linkage to the oiler move?
Nope, still right where they’re supposed to be,…..
Pat
Ryan look closely at the pics on page 1. Those pics are right out of the box……compare them to the pic with the question, ……it’s such a subtle mod, but when you realize it, it’ll be an ahhhhhh, it needs that moment!…
Pat
@harmonyards posted:Ryan look closely at the pics on page 1. Those pics are right out of the box……compare them to the pic with the question, ……it’s such a subtle mod, but when you realize it, it’ll be an ahhhhhh, it needs that moment!…
Hex heads on the rod bearings?
Pat is it the silver within the brake calibers?
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@Rich Wiemann posted:Pat is it the silver within the brake calibers?
No, but you’re sooooo close!!….you even got the image of what I’ve added in your pic!…..you’re in the neighborhood….😁😁😁
Pat
I have been flipping back through the old photos and the new ones and I cannot figure out what is added. The only thing I can figure is rear brake shoes but I think they were there already. What did you add!?
I looked last night too, but got me as I cannot see what is to be seen, let alone know what the parts are other than brakes.
Y’all give up too easily!…..😁……so here’s another hint, what’s in this image that’s plainly not in the first images, ….you can see them plain as day, because they’re chrome as all get out, ……..you guys will get it this time,…….it’s an important feature that should be on every scale steam locomotive,……another hint, MTH didn’t start doing it till late PS2 …..like late, late PS2 ….
Pat 
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I know but I ain’t tellin’. Inside information and all that.
Pete
@Norton posted:I know but I ain’t tellin’. Inside information and all that.
Pete
But is it a good detail to add?….
Pat
Not familiar with MTH bits, and no I didn't give up to easy. I looked for a long time last night. 😛
Darkened axle caps?
