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Hi everyone,  I am new to the forum and could use some help.

First - do we have a schematic of the upgrade kits?  I am looking for specs on all of the outputs (E&A)

as well as wiring diagrams similar to what the 1912 kits has in it.  IMHO The 1911 kit is poorly "diagram'd."

Second Question

I have upgraded several older original protosound locomotives both diesel and steam so far with no issues, but this one has me stumped.

3 nights ago, I installed a 1912 kit into a GP38-2.  I stripped it down to the motors, gears and trucks.

Then built it up with the kit and a brand new ps3 style smoke unit.  I downloaded and installed a ps3 GP38-2 sound file and it tested and ran great.  All functions seemed to work properly, and I was particularly fond of the old muscle car type of sound this engine made so I must have "tested it" for 3 hours reving it up.    2 days past and then it developed a sound pulse that is hard to describe.

If I were to compare it to other electronic failures, I would say I have voltage creeping into the amp.  This happens once the engine is warmed up, say 2 min into running it.  Its only the sound, and it will pulse similar to a 60 cycle frequency.  The pulsing removes the engine sounds on and off at that rate.  They seem to grow and get stronger if left on.  Then, when I shut the engine down, I can hear a faint pulse almost a ticking while track power is on and the engine has been shut down.

 

None of the trouble shooting guides give me a place to start, and nothing comes up when I search the forums.

Anyone have any ideas?

 

Thanks for the help!

 

 

 

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Several questions:

1.  When you uploaded the sound file to the GP38-2, did you upload the flash file?

2.  When did you purchase the upgrade kit?  The reason I asked is the kits shipped in August need a revision to the tach sensor wiring, the revision was emailed to all who purchased the kits.

3.  The smoke unit for ps3 is the same as ps2.

4.  What are the voltage and current readings when running the engine by itself on a test track?

I assume you are running in DCS mode.

bruce

MTH ASC Technician

 

 

Bruce, thanks for the reply. 

1 Yes uploaded both the flash and the sound file. although it took me a bit to realize that both needed to be loaded.  I had several issues with errors and several slow retries when loading anything into this board.....  which was caused by magnetic interference.  (Get to that below)

2 Dec 15th 2017

3 I believe that is correct.  and is working beautifully.

4 18V 4Amps AC.

Root Cause:  The Protosound 1 GP38-2  I picked up (on a well known site where people host productions and then others bid on them) for this specific purpose:  To use as a host engine for the PS3 kit.  The PS1 GP38-2  has a shallow Fuel tank and the speaker supplied with the PS3 kit has a deeper magnet then the original PS1 speaker.   I mounted the board laying down flat on the chassis, no spacers so the Rectifier heatsink would have good connection to the chassis.  Turns out, The PS3 speaker magnet was too close to the PS3 board.  I manufactured small spacers for the fuel tank to drop it down about a 10th of an inch from the chassis and the problem went away.  I posted in case anyone has the same issue in future installs.

Again, being new here, I am also looking for specs on both the 1911 & 1912 kits identifying voltage and load rating of all the outputs.  I have several custom projects going involving driving relays and other things from the outputs and want to make sure I stay inside the specs. - Is this something I need to start another thread for?

Thanks again!

Robb

Let's continue:

18VAC - 4 amps is way to HIGH!  Something is probably binding in the motor-truck relationship.   Disconnect the 4 pin connector supplying track power to the board.  Pull the 40pin connector loose from its socket on the board - CAREFULLY!  I hope you have a source of DC power to run each motor/truck assembly separately using DC power.  Increase, then decrease and increase again the power - what do you observe, hear?

I suspect either binding in the motor worm gear or a problem with the powered trucks.  Let us know what the results are.

bruce

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