I'm looking into purchasing a new steam locomotive from ACE Trains. They look beautiful! I have a line on a nice set of Darstead cars for a great price that would go with the ACE engine. I understand that ACE Trains run on 24V DC. Of course, my layout is regular O gauge with Lionel transformers. The newer ACE engines say DC only. In the past, I thought you could use a simple circuit with a bridge rectifier to convert AC to DC inside the engine. Is this no longer possible? If it is, would I have enough power with an 18V AC power supply? 

My other option is to use my Bridgemaster power supply with my LGB throttle and switch the power source to the track. It would only run on one loop and I'll need to be very careful with how I set that up so it is completely isolated from other tracks.

George

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I do not know which locomotive this is about, but I assume there will be some room for a bridge rectifier. And the Amps needed for the ACE can surely be delivered by your AC supply. I would however go for the other option (LGB throttle) since that power source can be used also when you decide to acquire some other DC 0 gauge (like I did). 

Regards

Fred

sncf231e posted:

I do not know which locomotive this is about, but I assume there will be some room for a bridge rectifier. And the Amps needed for the ACE can surely be delivered by your AC supply. I would however go for the other option (LGB throttle) since that power source can be used also when you decide to acquire some other DC 0 gauge (like I did). 

Regards

Fred

Thanks Fred.  That's true, I'd need to modify any future engines too! I may be less inclined to do that with an older engine. 

George

I have ACE/Darstead locos and also Lionel/MTH.  When running the ACE locos I switch to a DC power supply. (If just light running I can use my HO power supply, otherwise my beefier "0"gauge one). I find the voltage doesn't go up that high under normal running conditions - haven't tried it "flat-out"!!

 

Hello,

I have a mix of ACE, Lionel, Darstaed, Hehr, Selzer, Marklin... just about everything. I am pretty sure the ACE locos can accommodate a rectifier. I haven’t tried it personally as I am not all that handy with that kind of thing. I just switch the power supply. Simple LGB works fine for just one locomotive.

Chris

I have an A4 from Darstaed, and it was easy to install an electronic "e-unit" from Dallee.  Plenty of room.  Seems to work well, but haven't run it extensively.

I did not add any resistors or diodes for the LED lamps on the front, and have some fear that they may eventually get fried.  Does anyone have any guidance on this?

Years ago I had an Ace locomotive. I took the "easy" way out and made a dedicated line for that train with it's own separate DC power supply. Most layouts I build don't have switches so isolating this particular locomotive was easy. 

Thanks guys!

We'll see if this comes to fruition. The seller of the Darstaed cars is not responsive and the gloss black ACE Pacific I like is no longer available. I did find a nice blue Bassett Lowke that might work if I can get the cars.

George

Hello George,

Check out The Stationmaster’s Rooms for ACE Pacifics. Also, have a look at The Darstaed website. Andries is planning a new run of 40cm Marklin repro coaches. I have an ACE Pacific and the look of that engine pulling a line of tinplate Rheingold coaches is awesome.

Chris

Hi Chris, 

Your ACE Pacific inspired me! What a great engine!!

But Shhh, don’t tell anyone about the Station Masters Rooms. 

My seller of the Darstaed coaches responded. Now I hope I bought O gauge. He listed them under OO but the photos say O gauge. I don’t think Darstaed actually makes OO coaches, so fingers crossed!!

George

I converted a Darstaed A4 Mallard to TMCC. As my son asked Santa for a Lionel Mallard.

It was relatively straightforward after some help from Guns, Jon Z. and the Forum.

The loco has a DC motor so was converted to a ERR Cruise Commander which fitted in the tender. Use Guns top tip of a MTH tether for the wiring between the tender and loco.

I added Railsounds small engine sound board and speaker in the tender with a reed switch and magnet on a tender wheel for the chuff. You could use Guns chuff generator. 

The Darstead front lights were fine when powered via the Cruise Commander board. I added a Lionel fan driven smoke unit controlled by Guns Super Chuffer.

The Darstaed Fire box glow bulb was replaced with a direct screw in 24v LED bulb normally used in industrial control panels.

To complete the Set, Mason has a set of Darstaed Thompson teak coaches. The LEDs in these worked perfectly on 18VAC and required no modification. However I disconnected the table lamps in the dining car as these did not like AC. A bridge rectifier would sort this but I’ve not gotten round to that yet.

https://youtu.be/_Ka2D65T-QQ

Nick

P.S. Both the Loco and Coaches were from the Station Master Rooms but again don’t tell anyone 

 

 

 

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Nick12DMC posted:

I converted a Darstaed A4 Mallard to TMCC. As my son asked Santa for a Lionel Mallard.

It was relatively straightforward after some help from Guns, Jon Z. and the Forum.

The loco has a DC motor so was converted to a ERR Cruise Commander which fitted in the tender. Use Guns top tip of a MTH tether for the wiring between the tender and loco.

I added Railsounds small engine sound board and speaker in the tender with a reed switch and magnet on a tender wheel for the chuff. You could use Guns chuff generator. 

The Darstead front lights were fine when powered via the Cruise Commander board. I added a Lionel fan driven smoke unit controlled by Guns Super Chuffer.

The Darstaed Fire box glow bulb was replaced with a direct screw in 24v LED bulb normally used in industrial control panels.

To complete the Set, Mason has a set of Darstaed Thompson teak coaches. The LEDs in these worked perfectly on 18VAC and required no modification. However I disconnected the table lamps in the dining car as these did not like AC. A bridge rectifier would sort this but I’ve not gotten round to that yet.

https://youtu.be/_Ka2D65T-QQ

Nick

P.S. Both the Loco and Coaches were from the Station Master Rooms but again don’t tell anyone 

 

 

 

Very impressive.  Especially liked the smoke unit - what kind is it and how did you mount it?  Do you have any pictures from doing the install?

Also amazed that someone in the UK would have managed to get Menards buildings.

Now all that's needed is to get voices with the proper accent.  

Thanks very much. Here’s a pic from the install.

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It’s a Lionel fan driven smoke unit. I can’t remember the part number off the top of my head. The bracket is from a Lionel Hudson cut down with a angle grinder.  

I tried using a Lionmaster Big Boy smoke stack adaptor for the twin blast pipes on the Mallard but there just wasn’t the space. I ended up using flexible silicone hose to direct the smoke.

The smoke unit works great when coupled with Guns Super Chuffer.

I would love 3rd rail/ERR to do a Railsounds board that was user downloadable using DCC soundsets then it would be dead easy to have the correct sounds. Never going to happen though.

The Menards buildings I was able to get shipped to a address in Florida when we were on Holiday. Well my Wife calls it a Holiday...I call it a supply run

I’m off on a trip at the end of March and we are doing Route 66 so hope to visit a Menards (ship to store) and pick up a couple more buildings.

Nick

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I bought a Bassett Lowke gloss blue BR Pacific from the Station Masters Rooms. The Darstead coaches will be here tomorrow, but I'll be traveling. The coaches are BR carmine and cream. I'll post pictures when everything arrives.

George

Nick12DMC posted:

...The Menards buildings I was able to get shipped to a address in Florida when we were on Holiday. Well my Wife calls it a Holiday...I call it a supply run

I’m off on a trip at the end of March and we are doing Route 66 so hope to visit a Menards (ship to store) and pick up a couple more buildings.

Nick

Thanks for the info.

Would love to see your credit card company's fraud dept.'s reaction when the guy from the UK explains why he is charging a purchase from a company in Wisconsin and having it delivered to somewhere in Missouri or Illinois.

Obviously I don't know your travel direction or dates, but note that the big TCA meet in York PA starts on April 11.  If you're driving several thousand miles, what's a few hundred more?  If you go to York, you'll be booking a container for shipping your purchases.

 

Here are the trains I bought.

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The window inserts are loose in the Darstaed cars. I’ll need to fix that. The Bassett Lowke is a limited edition that was customized with a different name. It runs on 12 volt DC, so I am going to need a smaller transformer than my G scale.

The engine is named Sir Frederick Banbury who was chairman of the British Great Northern Railway. His middle name was George.  The cars and engine are British Railways livery.

George

 

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If anyone is interested in these cars, send me an email. The seller had more sets. I got six cars for what I normally see as a price for two.

George

Here are some details on the Darstaed cars. The bottom is stamped Darstaed.

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The litho on the side shows ACE Trains.

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The glue holding the window inserts has given way. I think the bodies might be brass? Is that right? That's what it looks like on the inside. There is also a decal bubbling on the frame.

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I'm thinking about trying a hair dryer on the decal to see if the bubble will go away. I'm not sure what glue to use for the window inserts. The diaphragms also seem a little distorted, but I can probably live with that.

George

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Hello George,

Very nice. Darstaed and ACE were partners at one time, as far as I understand it. Check to make sure that there isn’t / wasn’t some sort of tensioner piece of something that held the window inserts taught vs. glue. Regarding the bubbling of the detail strip... that is an issue as far back as the Darphin replicas. I have some spots of it on one of my Rheingold coaches and I’ve seen it on others. I have no solution to recommend.

Kind regards, Chris

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