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I'm looking into purchasing a new steam locomotive from ACE Trains. They look beautiful! I have a line on a nice set of Darstead cars for a great price that would go with the ACE engine. I understand that ACE Trains run on 24V DC. Of course, my layout is regular O gauge with Lionel transformers. The newer ACE engines say DC only. In the past, I thought you could use a simple circuit with a bridge rectifier to convert AC to DC inside the engine. Is this no longer possible? If it is, would I have enough power with an 18V AC power supply? 

My other option is to use my Bridgemaster power supply with my LGB throttle and switch the power source to the track. It would only run on one loop and I'll need to be very careful with how I set that up so it is completely isolated from other tracks.

George

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I do not know which locomotive this is about, but I assume there will be some room for a bridge rectifier. And the Amps needed for the ACE can surely be delivered by your AC supply. I would however go for the other option (LGB throttle) since that power source can be used also when you decide to acquire some other DC 0 gauge (like I did). 

Regards

Fred

sncf231e posted:

I do not know which locomotive this is about, but I assume there will be some room for a bridge rectifier. And the Amps needed for the ACE can surely be delivered by your AC supply. I would however go for the other option (LGB throttle) since that power source can be used also when you decide to acquire some other DC 0 gauge (like I did). 

Regards

Fred

Thanks Fred.  That's true, I'd need to modify any future engines too! I may be less inclined to do that with an older engine. 

George

Hello,

I have a mix of ACE, Lionel, Darstaed, Hehr, Selzer, Marklin... just about everything. I am pretty sure the ACE locos can accommodate a rectifier. I haven’t tried it personally as I am not all that handy with that kind of thing. I just switch the power supply. Simple LGB works fine for just one locomotive.

Chris

Hi Chris, 

Your ACE Pacific inspired me! What a great engine!!

But Shhh, don’t tell anyone about the Station Masters Rooms. 

My seller of the Darstaed coaches responded. Now I hope I bought O gauge. He listed them under OO but the photos say O gauge. I don’t think Darstaed actually makes OO coaches, so fingers crossed!!

George

I converted a Darstaed A4 Mallard to TMCC. As my son asked Santa for a Lionel Mallard.

It was relatively straightforward after some help from Guns, Jon Z. and the Forum.

The loco has a DC motor so was converted to a ERR Cruise Commander which fitted in the tender. Use Guns top tip of a MTH tether for the wiring between the tender and loco.

I added Railsounds small engine sound board and speaker in the tender with a reed switch and magnet on a tender wheel for the chuff. You could use Guns chuff generator. 

The Darstead front lights were fine when powered via the Cruise Commander board. I added a Lionel fan driven smoke unit controlled by Guns Super Chuffer.

The Darstaed Fire box glow bulb was replaced with a direct screw in 24v LED bulb normally used in industrial control panels.

To complete the Set, Mason has a set of Darstaed Thompson teak coaches. The LEDs in these worked perfectly on 18VAC and required no modification. However I disconnected the table lamps in the dining car as these did not like AC. A bridge rectifier would sort this but I’ve not gotten round to that yet.

https://youtu.be/_Ka2D65T-QQ

Nick

P.S. Both the Loco and Coaches were from the Station Master Rooms but again don’t tell anyone 

 

 

 

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Nick12DMC posted:

I converted a Darstaed A4 Mallard to TMCC. As my son asked Santa for a Lionel Mallard.

It was relatively straightforward after some help from Guns, Jon Z. and the Forum.

The loco has a DC motor so was converted to a ERR Cruise Commander which fitted in the tender. Use Guns top tip of a MTH tether for the wiring between the tender and loco.

I added Railsounds small engine sound board and speaker in the tender with a reed switch and magnet on a tender wheel for the chuff. You could use Guns chuff generator. 

The Darstead front lights were fine when powered via the Cruise Commander board. I added a Lionel fan driven smoke unit controlled by Guns Super Chuffer.

The Darstaed Fire box glow bulb was replaced with a direct screw in 24v LED bulb normally used in industrial control panels.

To complete the Set, Mason has a set of Darstaed Thompson teak coaches. The LEDs in these worked perfectly on 18VAC and required no modification. However I disconnected the table lamps in the dining car as these did not like AC. A bridge rectifier would sort this but I’ve not gotten round to that yet.

https://youtu.be/_Ka2D65T-QQ

Nick

P.S. Both the Loco and Coaches were from the Station Master Rooms but again don’t tell anyone 

 

 

 

Very impressive.  Especially liked the smoke unit - what kind is it and how did you mount it?  Do you have any pictures from doing the install?

Also amazed that someone in the UK would have managed to get Menards buildings.

Now all that's needed is to get voices with the proper accent.  

Thanks very much. Here’s a pic from the install.

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It’s a Lionel fan driven smoke unit. I can’t remember the part number off the top of my head. The bracket is from a Lionel Hudson cut down with a angle grinder.  

I tried using a Lionmaster Big Boy smoke stack adaptor for the twin blast pipes on the Mallard but there just wasn’t the space. I ended up using flexible silicone hose to direct the smoke.

The smoke unit works great when coupled with Guns Super Chuffer.

I would love 3rd rail/ERR to do a Railsounds board that was user downloadable using DCC soundsets then it would be dead easy to have the correct sounds. Never going to happen though.

The Menards buildings I was able to get shipped to a address in Florida when we were on Holiday. Well my Wife calls it a Holiday...I call it a supply run

I’m off on a trip at the end of March and we are doing Route 66 so hope to visit a Menards (ship to store) and pick up a couple more buildings.

Nick

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...The Menards buildings I was able to get shipped to a address in Florida when we were on Holiday. Well my Wife calls it a Holiday...I call it a supply run

I’m off on a trip at the end of March and we are doing Route 66 so hope to visit a Menards (ship to store) and pick up a couple more buildings.

Nick

Thanks for the info.

Would love to see your credit card company's fraud dept.'s reaction when the guy from the UK explains why he is charging a purchase from a company in Wisconsin and having it delivered to somewhere in Missouri or Illinois.

Obviously I don't know your travel direction or dates, but note that the big TCA meet in York PA starts on April 11.  If you're driving several thousand miles, what's a few hundred more?  If you go to York, you'll be booking a container for shipping your purchases.

 

Here are the trains I bought.

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The window inserts are loose in the Darstaed cars. I’ll need to fix that. The Bassett Lowke is a limited edition that was customized with a different name. It runs on 12 volt DC, so I am going to need a smaller transformer than my G scale.

The engine is named Sir Frederick Banbury who was chairman of the British Great Northern Railway. His middle name was George.  The cars and engine are British Railways livery.

George

 

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Here are some details on the Darstaed cars. The bottom is stamped Darstaed.

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The litho on the side shows ACE Trains.

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The glue holding the window inserts has given way. I think the bodies might be brass? Is that right? That's what it looks like on the inside. There is also a decal bubbling on the frame.

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I'm thinking about trying a hair dryer on the decal to see if the bubble will go away. I'm not sure what glue to use for the window inserts. The diaphragms also seem a little distorted, but I can probably live with that.

George

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Hello George,

Very nice. Darstaed and ACE were partners at one time, as far as I understand it. Check to make sure that there isn’t / wasn’t some sort of tensioner piece of something that held the window inserts taught vs. glue. Regarding the bubbling of the detail strip... that is an issue as far back as the Darphin replicas. I have some spots of it on one of my Rheingold coaches and I’ve seen it on others. I have no solution to recommend.

Kind regards, Chris

Adriatic posted:

The rectifier doesn't have to be IN the train. You can do that behind the present ac trasformer on a toggle for ac/dc and second on/off/on 3pos or dpdt toggle for direction changing. 

I think I am going to toggle my DC power supply to the track. I have been testing with a P.H. Hobbies PS3 filtered DC 3 amp power supply that I have for G gauge trains. It runs the engine very smoothly and has fine slow speed control. I was worried that it had too much power for this engine since the engine is rated at 12 volts and the power supply can put out 20 volts, but the throttle seems to have nice voltage control at the low end of the range.

One thing I will need to do is to ensure that the section of track I use this on is completely isolated from a separately powered block that could be running AC with a different train. I usually connect loops with switching track and it could cross over a Standard gauge loop.

George

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 I was still on the 20v rating for ACE mention outright. 18v would be enough for near max speeds on a 20v motor, I'd guess is would like 10-15v normally.

Rated at 12vdc I'm usually at 6-9v. And 6v at 1.5-3, 3v at 1.5max, and a 1.5v motor on a plastic 0-4-0 fame(L) that I'm having trouble with; in slowing it down enough to stay railed

George S posted:

 

Here are the trains I bought.

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The window inserts are loose in the Darstaed cars. I’ll need to fix that. The Bassett Lowke is a limited edition that was customized with a different name. It runs on 12 volt DC, so I am going to need a smaller transformer than my G scale.

The engine is named Sir Frederick Banbury who was chairman of the British Great Northern Railway. His middle name was George.  The cars and engine are British Railways livery.

George

 

That's a pretty train for sure.  Those are so tempting.  Hey, if your designing a new layout, don't forget about the Merkur Turntable, I think it would be large enough to handle that loco!

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"Hey, if you're designing a new layout, don't forget about the Merkur Turntable, I think it would be large enough to handle that loco! "

Those are very nice and should have been priced twice as much! Unfortunately, they have been sold out for years. I made one that I will try to get working again. Mine is 36" long and can handle my Allegheny.  It may need some dressing up to make it look more like tinplate. 

George

I took a trip to Menards and picked up 16 sections of O96 curve and got her running. 

I also bought Gorilla Clear Grip contact adhesive and glued the windows into one car. I still have one to do.  This glue doesn’t ruin the window plastic if you make a mistake. It easily pulls off.

 I’m not sure the smoke unit works. It hasn’t yet. The boiler light does and didn’t at first.

George

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George S posted:

I took a trip to Menards and picked up 16 sections of O96 curve and got her running. 

I also bought Gorilla Clear Grip contact adhesive and glued the windows into one car. I still have one to do.  This glue doesn’t ruin the window plastic if you make a mistake. It easily pulls off.

 I’m not sure the smoke unit works. It hasn’t yet. The boiler light does and didn’t at first.

George

Gorgeous 

George S posted:

The sound on tubular tinplate track on carpet is so soft! These motors are quiet. Fastrack on plywood is very loud and older prewar tends to howl.

George

Too quiet.  Screw the track directly to the ply!

Conan what is good in life? I say:

The rumble of heavy trains on tube track,

The howl of prewar serial wound AC motors,

and the smell of ozone!

Hah!

George S posted:

I took a trip to Menards and picked up 16 sections of O96 curve and got her running. 

I also bought Gorilla Clear Grip contact adhesive and glued the windows into one car. I still have one to do.  This glue doesn’t ruin the window plastic if you make a mistake. It easily pulls off.

 I’m not sure the smoke unit works. It hasn’t yet. The boiler light does and didn’t at first.

George

This looks absolutely fantastic George.  I hope you're very happy with it.  Tell me, does the Menards 096 track join seamlessly to Lionel tubular?

O Gauge Guy posted:
George S posted:

I took a trip to Menards and picked up 16 sections of O96 curve and got her running. 

 

I also bought Gorilla Clear Grip contact adhesive and glued the windows into one car. I still have one to do.  This glue doesn’t ruin the window plastic if you make a mistake. It easily pulls off.

 I’m not sure the smoke unit works. It hasn’t yet. The boiler light does and didn’t at first.

George

This looks absolutely fantastic George.  I hope you're very happy with it.  Tell me, does the Menards 096 track join seamlessly to Lionel tubular?

The Menards track is great in my opinion. It joined perfectly to my old Lionel tubular track. I also used a Menards tubular - Fastrack adapter and that worked well too.

George

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