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  You have a ZW, I would run be running in conventional to work out track issues.

Then if you run into new issues when you go to command any new issue is definitely only a command issue.

I.e. Could this just maybe, one in a thousand, be a grond plane issue?.... Causing stall and or drops in sound but no stall seems like it might be a signal issue; no?

Hi All,

   In the wiring diagram at the top it shows the DZ-1008 transmitting power to the center tracks from the same circuit as the switches.  I have my switches running on a independent channel to prevent power loss.  Can I send power to the DZ-1008 and subsequent diamond from my 18v main track lines vs the 12v switch channel.  I can send a diagram if necessary

Thanks,
Alex

 

You may want to call 1 800 331 1395  and confirm the wiring.  DZ 1000's now also have Red, Black, Yellow, Green wires.  

Requires (4) DZ1000 switch motors.  (2 paired) Sets, that switch simultaneously.   (1) DZ 1008 relays should work. 

Basic electrical wiring/trouble-shooting.   One wire at a time.  IMO.   

Last edited by Mike CT

Monte:  I have the perfect solution, which should be published in OGR.    It even includes automatic non-derailing,  which requires cutting a slice into 2 rails.   It  also requires an aluminum center-piece.  I wouldn't be able to prepare a detailed report for a few days,  but will do  so if -and-only-if you are sufficiently interested.....

MonteB53 posted:

Thanks for your suggestions, finally had some time today to work on the switch. Have not completed the continuity test because  I misplaced my tester; plan to buy a new one tomorrow. Disconnected the 1008 relay and now 2 of my locomotives, (new Lionel Berkshire 765 Legacy and older Odyssey Blue Comet),  work fine when going across the switch in all directions. The Lionel Legacy Heavy Mikado works fine most of the time,  occasionally it loses volume when crossing the switch but it does not stall. Would think that is related to tmcc losing power/connection, the reduced volume does not always happen in the same location, it normally occurs before crossing the diamond.  The Lionel Legacy Light Mikado always stalls, it does not short out the power, or shut down, it just stalls at the center of the diamond. If I reverse directions, it will back off the diamond but stalls again if I try to go forward across the diamond.  Will try and do the continuity test tomorrow, also wondering if it would be prudent to have each loop (3 of them) on it's own bus wiring right now all loops are on a single bus.

Thanks again for all of your assistance. 

 

My guess is the cause of your stalls is losing the common connection due to the combination of rubber tires and insulated rails. 

 

AlanRail posted:

you dont need non-derailing for the dbl crossover as the train must travel into one of the straight tracks.

  the turnouts are either straight thru or crossed. 

a train cannot start from the center where a decision must be made.

Agree. Mike noted above along with his attached diagram that wiring the opposite switches together into two simultaneously controlled pairs completely eliminates the need for non derailing wiring because they are either all straight or all thrown for the diverging routes.

Berkshire President posted:

What if a train is staying on one line, gets through the first "switch", but then comes upon the second switch which is "crossed" instead of straight?

Wouldn't the non-derailment feature be useful in that situation?

All of the powered double crossovers I've seen have had all 4 switch motors (Tortoises) wired together so that the 4 switches are set for either straight through or crossover.  A single toggle switch is typically used to throw the switches.  In this case, a derailment is impossible.

Bob posted:
Berkshire President posted:

What if a train is staying on one line, gets through the first "switch", but then comes upon the second switch which is "crossed" instead of straight?

Wouldn't the non-derailment feature be useful in that situation?

All of the powered double crossovers I've seen have had all 4 switch motors (Tortoises) wired together so that the 4 switches are set for either straight through or crossover.  A single toggle switch is typically used to throw the switches.  In this case, a derailment is impossible.

Wow....I never thought of that.  Makes perfect sense.  Thanks for the heads up!!

AlanRail posted:

With DZ motors and controllers you can only control at most TWO switch motors with one controller.

Alan,

Thanks.  I thought I read that somewhere but couldn't find it.  Wasn't sure if it was for both the DZ-1000 and DZ-2500 or just one of them.  Anyway, I modified my diagram a while back to simplify the wiring but I still had non-derailing in pairs.  Now I know why.

Last edited by CAPPilot

OK, guys:  Here 'tis:  My alleged "perfect' solution:

1.  Follow the RCS Diagram of the DBL X-over for names, etc.  [Do NOT follow their wiring instructions!]

2.  You need an Al diamond, wired to the 'hot'/center rail.

3.  Rails "1" & "2" are  isolated  [no connections]

4.  You need 4 DZ 1000's  [or 2500's];  wired [appropriately] in pairs.

5.  You need 2 DZ-1002's  [or 2502's].  Each operates the appropriate pair of turnout points.

6.  The 2 outside rails between the frogs [those directly above & below the diamond] need to be cut at their mid-points.  Connect each of the 4 segments to the appropriate L or R terminal a la` the DZ instructions....Just like you connect a single turnout for non-derail.

7.  There are no relays!

          Now you have 'everything'.....Both on thru,  both on curved,  one on thru & the other on curved ------- with no need to be concerned about the other pair.  Then just run trains,  with no need to worry about re-setting points or derailments!

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