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Hi everyone,

I have been reading the forum for several years now, joined but haven’t posted before.

I have been on here researching doing some ATC and found one thread that was perfect for understanding how to use blocks and relays to control the signals and the speed of the train.

I run everything conventional as my trains are 90% pre and postwar that are my fathers from when he was young.

I have two trolleys that are the bump to reverse type. They both run on different tracks. I would like to have them stop at different stations Along the way for a few seconds then continue on. My question is can I use these Delay relays and how do they get wired?

I would really like them to cross at a junction too, but not sure how to make that work either.

Thanks for any help.

have a great day

Lou

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Perhaps you are referring to this recent OGR thread about station-stop operation for bump-n-go trolleys?  In any case, the method shown there uses a more "sophisticated" (albeit more expensive) delay relay module that, for example, has a mode where you can set two time delay intervals which can be applied with benefit in station stop applications.

The relay module you show is a so-called "Delay ON" module.  It has a single time delay.  From the eBay listing:

delay on 12v relay

Clearly a translation from another language but here's how it works:

1. Apply 12V DC to the input terminals

2. The module starts a delay (settable from 1-10 sec)

3. After the delay the relay turns ON.  The relay remains ON until 12V DC is removed from the input terminals.  If 12V DC is lost when the relay is ON, the relay immediately turns OFF.  If 12V DC is lost when the relay is OFF (i.e., during the 1-10 sec delay), the relay stays OFF and the time delay starts over when 12V DC is restored.

In principle, you could accomplish a station stop with this relay as follows:

diy station stop multiple variation insulated rail triggers using DELAY ON relay

This is a cut-paste modification from the linked thread which uses the aforementioned dual-timer relay module.  In an ideal world, here's how your single-timer module could work:

You have insulated sections (center rail AND outer trigger rail) that must be long enough to accommodate a stopped trolley.  In normal operation, there is NO power to each insulated stop section.  A moving trolley approaches an unpowered stop section.  Since there is NO power in the stop section it coasts to a halt.  While in the stop-section, the trolley wheel axle(s) provides DC- to the relay module which starts the 1-10sec delay.  Then the relay turns ON which applies center-rail power to the trolley and sends it on its way and out of the insulated stop section.

But here's the thing.  This requires essentially flawless electrical contact between the wheels and the outer rails. That is, if the outer rail contact to the wheels is momentarily lost (for even a fraction of a second), the relay might hiccup/restart.   Trolleys can be relatively lightweight and with the insulated rail triggering method you give up half of the wheels that pick up outer-rail power.  It's a YMMV situation.

As with the linked configuration, a single relay module can perform the identical operation for multiple stops.

As for junction crossing, do you mean collision avoidance at a crossover?  I guess it depends on how sophisticated the "algorithm".  That is, for multi-train block control with Red-Yellow-Green or stop-slow-proceed logic, there are 3 choices of what to do depending on block occupancy ahead.  Likewise, I can imagine a scenario where a trolley approaching a crossover slows down or even stops.  Then proceeds if the "intersection" is clear.  In any case I'd think a SPDT relay like the one in your module would be involved since it steers power to only one of two outputs at a time.

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Thanks again Stan,

That thread was just what I was looking for, sorry I couldn’t find it doing a search.


“That is, for multi-train block control with Red-Yellow-Green or stop-slow-proceed logic, there are 3 choices of what to do depending on block occupancy ahead.  Likewise, I can imagine a scenario where a trolley approaching a crossover slows down or even stops.  Then proceeds if the "intersection" is clear.”

As for the intersection crossing, these are both great ideas. I think the the first one was what I was thinking for the trolley crossing. The second one sounds like it would be a perfect scenario for the EZ Streets part of my layout where a car would be approaching a stop sign then crossing the main road if clear

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