Running Jep Trains

THAT is one very cool loco! VERY nice! :-)

I expect Daniel to concur soon! :-)

What is the length (in inches) of that JEP loco?

Nice train Lew, so frenchy from the fifties. one of the best JEP loco.

Daniel

Daniel: Did they come in different liveries besides the that nice two-tone green? Also length? THANKS! :-)

A classic indeed!  Your JEP SNCF electric would be my choice if you were going to sell all the trains on the shelf above it!  SNCF knew how to put on a class act and ran fast trains long before the TGV era, taking many speed records along the way. 

Just take a look at the Top Quality of this locomotive.  Makes a man wanna dump his plastic models in the nearest recycling bin and never give it a second thought!

Thanks for sharing!

Art, no different liveries. Just different shades of green. The bottom one is 1953, one year only; The middle one is rare also, just after 1954 and the top one is the most common one, just a variation with a one motor only but harder to find.  The vast majority of those loco is two motors in 20 DC and they are very smooth runners.

Daniel

BEAUTIFUL engines! THANKS for sharing!

Agree with Tinplate Art.

Those are really nice.

TINPLATE ART:  It is 13.5 inches end of coupler to end of coupler, but really is more like12 inches long.  Fits right in with Lionel semi-scale.  Normally pulled the longer oval window coaches which I never liked, but I think it looks best pulling the lithographed Wagons Lits cars.  Note the beautiful red postal van.  As Fred reports it really is a smooth runner, but don't accidentally put AC current into it!!

Lew

Beautiful trains, I have one (lonely) JEP Passenger Coach - a souvenir of a trip down the Seine River in 2018 but these trains are fascinating.  Thanks for posting.

Don

Just magnificent! Miketg

Beautiful!

C'est magnifique!

Greetings friends,

I did some research on the wonderful SNCF C-C 7l00 locomotives and hope that those who have responded to my original post will find this information interesting.

1.  The locomotive was 62 feet one inch long over the buffers.  This would require an O scale locomotive to be slightly over 15 inches long.  in fact the JEP locomotive is only 13 1/2 inches long over the couplers and somewhat less over the buffers.  So, as I thought, the JEP version is really semi-scale, not scale.  The JEP locomotive featured 2 AP5 20 volt DC motors.

2.  Introduced in 1952, the locomotive was one of the best performers in the postwar era. It established a world's record of 205 mph in 1955. In contrast  the USAs  C-C General Electric E60CP , introduced 22 years later,  proved to be a huge disappointment and was succeeded in 1980 by the excellent Swedish Meatball --the AEM-7. Although in the 1950s 1960s, and 1970s the USA was way ahead of the world in diesel electric technology, it proved to be woefully behind the French, Swiss, Swedish, German  and even the British (Classes 86 and 87) in electric propulsion.

3.  58  C-C 7100 class locomotives were ultimately produced.

4.  In 1957 the French introduced the BB-9200 series, their first venture into modern 4 axle high performance electric locomotives. Hornby was ready for them.  In 1961 they introduced the TNB 20 volt DC B-B- diecast version of the B-B 9200. It is interesting to note that Hornby followed JEP by using 20 Volt DC in place of AC in this locomotive.

A wonderful source of information on early postwar electric locomotives is Ken Harris' World Electric locomotives published in 1981.

Finally, another picture of the JEP C-C 7100 on my layout.

Lew,

I've enjoyed this topic, especially the great photos you and David have posted.  It really is a shame that JEP never introduced better passenger coaches postwar to supplement the hodgepodge of prewar cars offered and give their best locomotives some equally nice cars.  I did get to wondering how some of the Marx streamlined coaches with the fluted sides, resprayed overall silver, would look with this locomotive......

A few minor points regarding the history of these machines:

-  The JEP models are of the two prototypes, CC 7001/2, which were built in 1949/50.  They were almost identical to the production 7100 class except for the trucks, and having windows in their cab doors.

-  Actually BB9004 was the world record holder at 205 mph;  the CC reached 'only' 202 !.  SNCF just wanted to give the CC's, of which they had just purchased the 60, better publicity, so at that time they said they both reached the identical top speed. 

And you can "almost legally" run these locos with the pan down;  a handful of CC7100's also received third rail shoes for the line up to Modane for Italy, so just say your model is one of those in case any scale nitpickers come visiting......

Here are a few photographs I took in 1966, including the Sud Express and CC 7001 herself at Paris Austerlitz.  In later years a heavy overhaul reduced their good looks somewhat.

Best regards, SZ

The JEP model is a great toy and many where made, today it is still sought after by collectors. Nice pictures of the real one. Here is a side by side JEP and a scale model from the same period. Even if underside the JEP is a nice representation of the model.

Daniel

Fred or Daniel.  I wonder if anyone made  O Gauge models  of the NS (Dutch) , RENFE (Spain), SNTF (Algerian), or ONCFM (Moroccan) versions of the CC-7100s? Three of the Spanish units were painted red and two shades of grey  for handling Talgo express trains. I think that the NS is available in HO.

Lew

Lew, no other variations have been made in O gauge by JEP of the CC, only French model. Maybe that foreign market was too small, the end of O gauge trains was not far and maybe ? nobody thought about making those....

You are right Steinzeit, the JEP passenger cars are of a lower quality than the locos. In fact JEP has never produced a great variety of passenger cars, the all steel models are modernized version of the 1936 ones, just different bogies. Maybe the best looking ones are the last CIWL cars produced with black roof. once again they are a modernized car for the Golden Arrow of 1934. The body and roof is the same but presentation and bogies are the latest models. A set of steel passenger cars would have been nice to match with the CC7100.  Marx cars are too small to go with a CC, the best size would be the Lionel fluted aluminum ones.

The last cars are here, two color variations, they are the best looking ones for me.

Daniel