S gauge FlyerChief GP7's are arriving from dealers...tell us your views and/or reviews.

Roundhouse Bill posted:

Mark, are they going to replace it or repair it?  My guess is Ro could use either option.

Well one of the issues was paint rubs on the yellow sides of the short hood end. So at minimum they'd have to swap out body shells as it's doubtful they would try to touch up any paint. Another issue was gear noise and intermittent wheel noise on r20 curves so they'd have to solve those problems or swap out a complete chassis.

My guess is they will send a brand new replacement engine. I sure hope they fully test them as they have led us to believe. I'll report on my replacement engine when I receive it.

There is a bright side to these problems. All the defective engines will probably  be sent back to Lionel where they most likely  will be dis-assembled and parted out for repairs of other engines in the future. I think that's how Lionel is able to stock parts...either from returned engines (not repaired) or new engines bought from China specifically to be dis-assembled to have parts on hand. That's my theory anyway!

Mark

banjoflyer posted:

There is a bright side to these problems. All the defective engines will probably  be sent back to Lionel where they most likely  will be dis-assembled and parted out for repairs of other engines in the future. I think that's how Lionel is able to stock parts...either from returned engines (not repaired) or new engines bought from China specifically to be dis-assembled to have parts on hand. That's my theory anyway!

Mark

I hope they don't really rely on their products being defective to get replacement parts!

Brendan

banjoflyer posted:
I think that's how Lionel is able to stock parts...either from returned engines (not repaired) or new engines bought from China specifically to be dis-assembled to have parts on hand. That's my theory anyway!

Mark

That's exactly how they do it. I've  watched techs disassemble new pieces and bag the individual parts.

Bob

Lionel has told me that they are not in the parts business anymore much.  Tearing down defective units is exactly how they repair other engines.  That is why units years old are not repairable except with aftermarket motors and E-units where available.

Today, I learned of another quality control problem with the Geeps from a dealer.  Boxes labeled for the UP engines have Santa Fe's inside.  To get buyers the right engine the wrong one has to be shipped back to the distributor who then has to send them to Lionel.  The guy at Lionel who has to deal with replacement is on vacation till mid January.  Buyers are dead in the water on getting their engine till then.  

I wonder if all the O Gauge people are suffering with quality control with new releases along with Flyer people? 

Roundhouse Bill posted:

 

Today, I learned of another quality control problem with the Geeps from a dealer.  Boxes labeled for the UP engines have Santa Fe's inside.  To get buyers the right engine the wrong one has to be shipped back to the distributor who then has to send them to Lionel.  The guy at Lionel who has to deal with replacement is on vacation till mid January.  Buyers are dead in the water on getting their engine till then.  

 

Could become problem if there aren't an equal amount of Santa Fe Geeps in UP boxes returned...

Rusty

Roundhouse Bill posted:

Mark, are they going to replace it or repair it?  My guess is Ro could use either option.

Update on my earlier response...Ro received the returned engine on 12/27 at 2:16 PM. The replacement was sent back to me on 12/29 at 4:08 PM. From the short turn around time I'd venture to guess I'm getting a brand new engine in return. It's scheduled to be delivered on Thursday 1/4/18. I'll post my testing of the replacement engine then.

Mark

I suspect there are two types of replacement parts.  Some are common to a variety of different Flychief and LC+ locomotives (motor, gears, wheels, electronics, operating couplers, smoke units) and probably are available from stock for replacement without requiring reuse of defective products.  Others (shells, external detail fittings) are probably only available when recycled from defective locos/rolling stock.  For units that cannot be easily repaired, salvaging materials is both sound business practice and environmentally laudable .

Returned mine 21 Dec. via Priority Mail, Charles Ro received 26 Dec.  Returning by FEDEX, sent 29th with a January 4th planned delivery.  Considering the holiday rush, that's not too bad.  Agree on turn-around likely being a new engine as replacement.  I do hope it was tested as mentioned above.  Happy New Year Everyone!

I received my replacement from Charles Ro and it is much better that the one it replaced. I would suggest checking ALL the screws. It still had some gear noise and I found that one of the screws that goes through the bottom of the truck to hold the motor in place was screwing into the truck and then the motor. I was able to correct that and thread both screws into the motor only to hold it in the correct position in the truck.  Now I can't hear the gears over the sound of the wheels on the track.

logcruiser posted:

I just spoke with Ro about the return of my UP. I was told they are opening, inspecting, and running the engines before shipping any more.

Does anyone have a good running UP? I may need to see if I can get a Santa Fe instead.

 

 

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When my UP came it was in a big box. The loco was wrapped separately and was not in its own box. My assumption was that someone at Ro had tested it. So far, mine is running without issues.

RoyBoy

I received my replacement UP GP7 and today I tested it.  All features were good until I tested the front coupler.  It would not open on command.  Looking through the front pilot I could see one wire broken off.  Under the hood, you can see there was not enough slack left in the coupler wires for following curves.  Too short. One wire does not reach and one is barely hanging onto the solenoid.  See the photo.  This does not look like an easy fix as I think the attachment point is under shrink wrap tape.  Anyone else have this problem?  Also it does not like S-Trax, derailing in a few track joints where the inside surface of the rails are not perfectly aligned.  Gauging or maybe rail is not tall enough (possible issues).  So it was fun to run and the bluetooth app is very nice!  But no working front coupler!  DARN.  Anyone fixed a coil coupler and have advice...or send it back yet again?

 

Guys,

Many of you have known me for all the problems I have had with Lionel Flyer items.  I told myself (an others) that I would NEVER buy another.  Well, (as they say) never say never.  I was taken by the UP Geep paint job, and the fact that I always wanted a Gilbert one, but couldn't find one for a decent price.  So when the new ones were announced with their better looking trucks, and for such a great price, I bit the bullet.  Well, the bullet bit back. 

My Geep came in, and I tested it for loose trucks, screws, faulty paint and then put it on the track.  Powering up the remote (with new batteries) all seemed well!  I gave it a lube and it was a bit hesitant, but in a few laps, it smoothed out nicely.  Quieter too.  I fired up the Blue Tooth app, and it gave me more features!  Great!  The loco wouldn't pull more than 8 cars without spinning the wheels, but that's all I wanted to pull anyway.  I was even going to paint the pilot steps to match, and mixed up a batch of paint to do that when I ran the train around to a convenient spot to take the locomotive off the track.  The front headlight wasn't working.  Now, if it were the ElectroCouplers, I'd not even bat an eye since I don't plan on doing any switching with the thing anyway.  But a HEADLIGHT?  I suspect a cut or shorted out wire.  Am I going to attempt the repair?  No way.  The board is probably fried from an LED shorting out.  Someone else reported a cut wire due to the flywheel cutting into it.  It's going back!  Lionel strikes again!

 

 

 

Oh, I forgot.  My UP will pull 21 Gilbert freight cars, which is a max as more and the weight pulls them off at the corners of my Gilbert track. It will do 16 cars on my main line with Gilbert trestles that includes a turn at the top.  This is as good an any of my Legacy diesels with two motors.

I found mine will pull a lot of cars on level track.  But try going up an incline and it would only pull 4 Gilbert cars before slipping to the point of stalling.  There is really no weight over the power truck to hold it down on the track

FlyerMike S gauge railroading on the floor

Roundhouse Bill posted:

Jerry, it seems like you always have bad luck.  Too bad!!

I have run my UP for hours now and have not had an issue.  I am still very pleased with it.

Bill, it seems you always have good luck.  Good for you!

I have run Lionel Flyer things for minutes and always have issues.  I am sick of their junk.

If the dealer won't make good on this thing (and it shouldn't be up to the dealers to correct the defects in design/assembly) I'm sending it back anyway for spare parts.  That's all it's good for.  If any good parts can be found.  Keep the money.  Lesson learned.  I also purchased the add-on PE car.  I haven't even taken it out of the box yet.  It probably has broken wires, a cracked shell, wrong frame, broken side frames, broken coupler, or any combination of the above.  I guarantee it WILL have poorly gauged wheels.  As a consist for the UP Geep, I have a series (8) of previously issued Lionel Flyer UP freight cars.  All NIB.  EVERY ONE of them had a problem from poorly gauged wheels to side frames that crumbled upon removal from the box. 

I'll probably be moderated for this post, but I don't care any more.

 

 

 

I have the L-AF NKP GP-7 and at this time its been on the layout for about 12 days. The GP-7 is being used to pull a consist of 8 cars made up of all of those NKP freight rolling stock that Lionel made in the mid-90s. I've been operating on good ol' Gilbert track and switches. No issues. Not Legacy, but well-suited for its mission in life.

Bob

Only the rear coil coupler on mine works, but it does not open far enough to release the rolling stock.  I have tried this with newer Flyer bocxcars, 1950's boxcars, and S-Helper cars.  They do not disconnect.  Perhaps with a heavier string of cars?

Sgauger

Sgauger posted:

Only the rear coil coupler on mine works, but it does not open far enough to release the rolling stock.  I have tried this with newer Flyer bocxcars, 1950's boxcars, and S-Helper cars.  They do not disconnect.  Perhaps with a heavier string of cars?

Sgauger

That's an odd one. The coupler was specifically redesigned from the model used on the SD70's and ES44's. It does open wider. I haven't had a problem with either of my Geeps couplers yet.

Mark

poniaj posted:
I also purchased the add-on PE car.  I haven't even taken it out of the box yet. 

 

Jerry, this car might be the one that breaks your bad luck streak. I too bought that car. Like Bill said the wiring is way different from the original PE cars. It still has the single bulb which I will replace with LED strip lights like all my other cars. I did run mine and it had a little "wobble" to it. I really haven't checked the wheel gauge yet. If it's off I'll correct it. (I also bought the PE reefer. It is all OK.)

Hope your's is OK too.

Mark

Sgauger posted:

Only the rear coil coupler on mine works, but it does not open far enough to release the rolling stock.  I have tried this with newer Flyer bocxcars, 1950's boxcars, and S-Helper cars.  They do not disconnect.  Perhaps with a heavier string of cars?

Sgauger

The electrocouplers on my NKP GP-7 sample uncouple and couple dependably with the newest version of the L-AF knuckle coupler (e.g., the coupler fitted to the new cylindrical hoppers). My trials utilized a three car consist. However, on various other "Gilbert compatible couplers", your mileage may vary, as Sgauger is indicating. The length of the knuckle fitted on a coupler in question may have an effect (shorter = better).  Dave and the guys at the Circle L Ranch were likely using the newest version of the L-AF knuckle coupler in their product development; hence what I am observing.

Bob

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