Well the hysteria is in full swing on the O gauge side as to the new Lionel 2019 Vol. 2 catalog.

Mark

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If they are Legacy Berks, Will the C&O have the lower headlight? It seems the number is a PM Berk, that was absorbed into the C&O, which never got the headlight moved.

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Well, they are the same numbers as the cancelled Berks.........A copy of the catalog would state Legacy control.

 

Rich

banjoflyer posted:

Well I hope I'm not stepping on any Lionel toes here but this image is from the 2018 Big Book catalog where they originally offered the Legacy Berkshires which were then cancelled:

So if Lionel is going to re-offer these engines at a new $100.00 higher price I'd bet they haven't changed anything from what the proposed 2018 offerings were. Is the headlight on the engine shown what you want?

Mark

No, I was hoping they'd do the lower headlight version they did CAD drawing for C&O cad

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Just picked up a copy from Mario's Trains. The Berkshires are listed as Legacy. Yay! Same description as the previous catalog.

The diesels are listed as U36C's, also a Seaboard version.

EP5's as listed, look nice. The NYC scheme fits well.

GN heavyweights, 8 of them all sold separately, $89.99 list.

NH heavyweights, the same.

New 40ft boxcars - State of Maine, TP&W, Nashville & Chattanooga, Frisco, Vesuvius Crucible, Buffalo Creek, GN teal, Lancaster & Chester, Green Bay & Western, Rutland.

New 3 bay hoppers - B&O, Chessie, UP, Western Maryland.

New Milk flats - 4 bordens, white load W/black letters, Red letters, orange load W/gold letters, khaki load W/ gold letters. Florida juice, Sealtest, Renkens, Polar Express.

Rich

 

banjoflyer posted:

 

Berks retail $599.99:
Nickle Plate #765

 

 

Please tell me that’s not how it’s spelled in the catalog.  

banjoflyer posted:

 

So at worst you will be able to see these new offerings in about 2 weeks or so.

Mark

Mark,

NOTINWI just posted all of the S scale pages.  But if you're in STL in the next two weeks, Schaefer's Hobby Shop (on Gravois near 270) has the catalogs out already.  I picked up a copy today.

Mike

Mike,

To be honest, I don’t know if what I posted is ALL the S gauge pages or not.  I had to go through a lot to get them, but that’s a different story.

I am happy to see the EP5 show up. I’m not in for any of the livery’s cataloged, but I really hope Lionel does the EP5 in polar express colors to look similar to the O gauge Bi-polar express.  I think it looks really sharp.  

Ben

NotInWI posted:

Mike,

To be honest, I don’t know if what I posted is ALL the S gauge pages or not.

You posted it all.  I'm looking at it now: pages 106-117.  

RoyBoy posted:

Do the EP-5's have twin motors, or single motor?

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I am pumped that we may get two new Legacy locos manufactured if both the Berks and the U36c's get enough orders. I'll do my part and get one of each as soon as Charles Ro starts taking orders.

Mark,

 

The sound cars are not steam or whistle sounds. They are "real railroad train sounds". Probably wheel screeching, etc. It is suggested that one be placed every 5/6 cars to simulate a variety of real train sounds. Could get expensive! 

Rich

richabr posted:

Mark,

 

The sound cars are not steam or whistle sounds. They are "real railroad train sounds". Probably wheel screeching, etc. It is suggested that one be placed every 5/6 cars to simulate a variety of real train sounds. Could get expensive! 

Rich

No kidding... 

$600 for an engine: $130 for a boxcar. Thank goodness this stuff is made in China; otherwise things might get REAL expensive! 

If there is hope about bringing in "new blood" into this hobby, then who ever it is better have DEEP pockets.

Mark in Oregon

FlyerRich posted:

So the question remains, will the Legacy Berks be produced as described by Dave Olson in this thread

Yes.

Chuck K posted:

I am pumped that we may get two new Legacy locos manufactured if both the Berks and the U36c's get enough orders. I'll do my part and get one of each as soon as Charles Ro starts taking orders.

U33 and U36 (last catalog and this catalog) have already been made and are on the water. The U36 in this catalog was forecast in limited quantities.

 

The sound cars are not steam or whistle sounds. They are "real railroad train sounds". Probably wheel screeching, etc. It is suggested that one be placed every 5/6 cars to simulate a variety of real train sounds.

They will use the same sound set as our new O Gauge FreightSounds cars. We did a completely new sound set for the cars this year. Less bangs, more realistic sounds.

Dave O,

Thanks for the additional info.  Will the new railroad sound cars work with traditional analog/curved/sinusoidal wave form AC as well as with chopped?  I was disappointed to discover (post-purchase) that AF steam and diesel sound box cars only work with chopped.  Unfortunately just prior to buying them I had moved from TPC400's (chopped AC) back to 30B's (curved), so both of those sound cars are now instead just heavily weighted more expensive than usual box cars.   

Dave

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Sgaugian posted:

Dave O,

Thanks for the additional info.  Will the new railroad sound cars work with traditional analog/curved/sinusoidal wave form AC as well as with chopped?  I was disappointed to discover (post-purchase) that AF steam and diesel sound box cars only work with chopped.  Unfortunately just prior to buying them I had moved from TPC400's (chopped AC) back to 30B's (curved), so both of those sound cars are now instead just heavily weighted more expensive than usual box cars.   

Dave

Also, will they operate on 50Hz in the UK?

Sgaugian posted:

Will the new railroad sound cars work with traditional analog/curved/sinusoidal wave form AC as well as with chopped?

Yes, and they will work on DC power as well.

Ukaflyer posted:

Also, will they operate on 50Hz in the UK?

Yes.

I'd like the TP&W car but without sounds.  Any body want to buy a sound car frame? 

Brendan

Strummer posted

$600 for an engine

If there is hope about bringing in "new blood" into this hobby, then who ever it is better have DEEP pockets.

Mark in Oregon

Mark, I have to disagree about $600 being expensive for a high end steam engine. This will be the least expensive premium steamer I have purchased.

banjoflyer posted:

I was already to buy the RF&P Legacy Berkshire from the 2018 catalog. Had all the $$ allocated and made my order. After the cancellation my stash of $$ dwindled as I saw other "must-haves!" so it remains to be seen if I can cobble another $500.00 together. I might try to sell a few engines at the S-Fest this year to get some more dough.

Mark

What is the S-Fest, and where and when will the S-Fest happen this year?

Arnold (Long time O Gauge Operator, who has a few nice Postwar S Gauge locomotives and cars, 3 boxes of Postwar track and switches, the big AF Postwar transformer with the dual dead man's throttles, and who will soon build a small AF layout in a spare room). 

Happy to see the Legacy Berks back. No mention of Kadee coupler capability as was previously discussed. Have to see on that. I was hoping for scale sized passenger cars with detailed interiors. These fall way short for me.

Sgaugian posted:

Will the new railroad sound cars work with traditional analog/curved/sinusoidal wave form AC as well as with chopped?

Dave O: Yes, and they will work on DC power as well.

Dave O,

Can I send in my steam and diesel sound box cars to get them retrofitted so they will as well?   Thanks.

Dave

Dave O:  I have been wondering if there is really any difference between the shells engine shells  of the U33 and the U36?   Will you be able to tell them apart?

Thanks

I see the engine numbers are different. From the description the U36 also has some added Legacy features. I plan to order one of the U36's even though I already have an order in for a U33. I am also going to re-order a Legacy Berkshire. If only there was a Legacy Hudson to order...

jonnyspeed posted:

Happy to see the Legacy Berks back. No mention of Kadee coupler capability as was previously discussed. Have to see on that. I was hoping for scale sized passenger cars with detailed interiors. These fall way short for me.

Yes, Berks include scale coupler mounting ability. Dave says above that they will be produced as described in his thread from last year in which he stated that this feature is included.

As for S scale passenger cars, Lionel has made no mention in the posts and announcements of the last couple of years about plans to produce S scale rolling stock other than the new upgraded cylindrical hoppers. I think venturing into that space would be a big gamble for them. American Models remains the only readily available option for passenger cars. Older SHS and various brass models are out there, but take a bit of hunting.

Chuck, GGD/3rdRail is making a run of detailed 80' S scale passenger cars in a selection of roadnames. I placed an order for a set of six NYC cars when they were announced back in September.

AmFlyer posted:

Chuck, GGD/3rdRail is making a run of detailed 80' S scale passenger cars in a selection of roadnames. I placed an order for a set of six NYC cars when they were announced back in September.

Would love to hear from Scott what the status is on these. I wonder if he is close to his minimum requirements?

After the initial email from them confirming my order I have not received any updates, so I am assuming the plans were not cancelled so far.

banjoflyer posted:
This year the event is hosted by the St. Louis, Mo area club AFSGSLA (my club).
 

 

 

I had AFSGSLA but a topical cream took care of it.  I have CASG now.

Brendan

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