I see the engine numbers are different. From the description the U36 also has some added Legacy features. I plan to order one of the U36's even though I already have an order in for a U33. I am also going to re-order a Legacy Berkshire. If only there was a Legacy Hudson to order...

Tom

jonnyspeed posted:

Happy to see the Legacy Berks back. No mention of Kadee coupler capability as was previously discussed. Have to see on that. I was hoping for scale sized passenger cars with detailed interiors. These fall way short for me.

Yes, Berks include scale coupler mounting ability. Dave says above that they will be produced as described in his thread from last year in which he stated that this feature is included.

As for S scale passenger cars, Lionel has made no mention in the posts and announcements of the last couple of years about plans to produce S scale rolling stock other than the new upgraded cylindrical hoppers. I think venturing into that space would be a big gamble for them. American Models remains the only readily available option for passenger cars. Older SHS and various brass models are out there, but take a bit of hunting.

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

What is the S-Fest, and where and when will the S-Fest happen this year?

Arnold (Long time O Gauge Operator, who has a few nice Postwar S Gauge locomotives and cars, 3 boxes of Postwar track and switches, the big AF Postwar transformer with the dual dead man's throttles, and who will soon build a small AF layout in a spare room). 

Arnold,

The Fall S-Fest is yearly gathering of S gauge enthusiasts in the mid-West. A large vendor selling room is at each event and many of the largest (and smallest) producers of S gauge product will attend. There are four S gauge model train clubs that alternate hosting the event usually in late October or early November each year.

The clubs are: (From the NASG page Brendan referred to)

The Badgerland S Gaugers, the Chicagoland Association of S Gaugers, the State-Line S Gaugers, the American Flyer S Gaugers of St. Louis.

This year the event is hosted by the St. Louis, Mo area club AFSGSLA (my club).

This page will tell you everything you need to know to attend this event.

Mark

 

AmFlyer posted:

Chuck, GGD/3rdRail is making a run of detailed 80' S scale passenger cars in a selection of roadnames. I placed an order for a set of six NYC cars when they were announced back in September.

Would love to hear from Scott what the status is on these. I wonder if he is close to his minimum requirements?

-Jonathan

Brendan posted:
banjoflyer posted:
This year the event is hosted by the St. Louis, Mo area club AFSGSLA (my club).
 

 

 

I had AFSGSLA but a topical cream took care of it.  I have CASG now.

Brendan

Yes..they can be painful. Repeated applications of Aloe vera scented smoke fluid to the affected areas are helpful. Consult your Doctor if symptoms remain longer than 10 days.

Mark

Well today I was able to secure a copy of the 2019 Vol.2 catalog and see firsthand what the American Flyer offerings are.

I've decided to not order a Legacy Berkshire (at least not right away). They had my order last year and....you know the rest.

I don't need the U36C's. I have a stable of SD70Ace's and ES44AC's. That's enough big diesels for a while.

Now the EP-5's are interesting. I have none of those type engines from any maker new or old. I am partial to the Great Northern paint scheme. The new catalog offers a GN EP5 #8305. I don't believe any such engines ever existed. The GN rostered electric engines (click on "Rosters" and then select "Electric Locomotives") but I couldn't find any in the EP5 type. None of that really matters to me. The new engine looks great, I have no electric engines, it is dual motored so it should be a good puller, I have a bunch of GN cars from many makers so there you go...I should need/want this.

It carries a price of $329.99. Street price could be around $270.00-$275.00. (18% off-online vendor). I can do that. Add in the FlyerChief and Bluetooth operations and I'm in.

The GN heavyweights are cool also. But $500.00++ for an 8 car set= I'm out.

The freight sound boxcars are a very likely buy as well. They are truly new, offered in quirky, different paint schemes like the TP&W and Vesuvius Crucible CO. I have seen and heard O scale sound cars in action and they do add a whole other dimension to running trains. I might have to get two. They retail for $129.99 but that number will shrink as the online vendors display prices.

That's it for me. The rest of the cars, while nice, are a no-go IMO.

Sounds like I'm planning to drop somewhere between $450.00-$500.00. Now what can I sell that was a "must-have"  from years past? 

Mark

(Can't post any pics as of now)

 

 

 

banjoflyer posted:

Now the EP-5's are interesting. I have none of those type engines from any maker new or old. I am partial to the Great Northern paint scheme. The new catalog offers a GN EP5 #8305. I don't believe any such engines ever existed. The GN rostered electric engines but I couldn't find any in the EP5 type. None of that really matters to me. The new engine looks great, I have no electric engines, it is dual motored so it should be a good puller, I have a bunch of GN cars from many makers so there you go...I should need/want this.

It carries a price of $329.99. Street price could be around $270.00-$275.00. (18% off-online vendor). I can do that. Add in the FlyerChief and Bluetooth operations and I'm in.

The only railroad that had EP-5 locos was New Haven. For years, toy train companies have painted EP-5 locos in Milwaukee road colors and called them Little Joes, but that is a completely different loco.

RoyBoy

Roy - I agree with you - the "artistic license" taken by Lionel (and others?) to put anything other than New Haven paint* on an EP-5 has always been a bemused pet peeve of mine.  A few years ago we visited the National Toy Train museum near Strasburg, PA and while wandering through their Flyer collection, I saw that they had an EP-5 (correctly painted...) but labeled as a "Little Joe".  I pointed this out to the museum staff - who I'm sure thought "oh great, another foamer who doesn't know beans", but they were very polite and said they'd look into it.  We continued our tour through the museum and about 20 min later, one of the staff folks came up to me and said that indeed I was right, it is indeed an EP-5 and that they would change the label forthwith... (which they did).

The funny thing about the actual Little Joe's (termed EF-4 and EP-4) is that only Milwaukee Road and Chicago South Shore and South Bend (South Shore) purchased them from GE after GE couldn't deliver them to the Soviet Union (hence the name 'Little Joe [Stalin]') (well, five were purchased by a Brazilian RR).  So Great Northern never even owned Little Joe's.  They did have two electric locomotives that had characteristics similar to the LJ - namely streamlining and double ended.  The W-1 had a larger tractive effort than the LJ - 119,000 lb(f) vs ~75,000.  The W-1 was B-D+D-B while the LJ was 2-D+D-2.  GN also rebuilt a wrecked Y-1 class loco as a streamlined carbody and classified it as Y-1a. 

The Northeast rails website http://www.northeast.railfan.net/electric1.html has pictures of all(?) the Milwaukee Rd and GN electrics.

*after the New Haven bankruptcy, 8 of the 10 EP-5s originally built went to the Penn Central and all of those locos did wind up in PC livery (e.g., here:  https://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=2408).  Apparently 6 of the original EP-5's (which PC relabeled as E40) survived into the Conrail era, but I've never seen a picture of an EP-5/E40 repainted in Conrail colors.  I think by that time all of them were essentially in a deadline in Harrisburg, PA and Conrail never saw fit to resurrect any of them.

richs09 posted:

Roy - I agree with you - the "artistic license" taken by Lionel (and others?) to put anything other than New Haven paint* on an EP-5 has always been a bemused pet peeve of mine. 

This has gone on for years with Lionel, MTH & them all.   Many people don't care about this & apparently enjoy seeing something different bearing the name of their favorite railroad.  The examples of fantasy schemes across all of model railroading are too numerous to mention.   As people often say here... don't like it, don't buy it.   It also helps sales figures at the companies that produce the model trains we like to buy.

RoyBoy posted:

The only railroad that had EP-5 locos was New Haven. For years, toy train companies have painted EP-5 locos in Milwaukee road colors and called them Little Joes, but that is a completely different loco.

Glibert never offered the EP-5 in anything but New Haven.  Even then Gilbert just cataloged it as "The New Haven GE Electric Locomotive."

Lionel got creative with their O Gauge model in the late 50's, offering it in New Haven, Milwaukee, Pennsy and Great Northern.  Lionel continued the "tradition of fantasy paint" under MPC and when they released the Flyer version.  MTH and K-Line followed suite with their models.

I actually don't mind the fantasy paint jobs, most of them were well executed and Lionel wasn't applying them to roads that didn't have electrification of some sort.  I'd like to see one in Chicago, South Shore and South Bend.

The EP-5's were to originally be painted in New Haven's traditional green and yellow-gold.  McGinnis wanted something bolder and hired Herbert Matter, a Swiss artist and graphic designer to come up with an alternative.  The result was the red/white/black "McGinnis" paint scheme we've come to know and love.

Here's one for the books.  The loser in the "McGinnis paint-off:"

GE EP5 NH 372 Yellow

The yellow was offered as an alternative.  The 372 was repainted Red/Yellow/Black before departing GE.

Roy - I agree with you - the "artistic license" taken by Lionel (and others?) to put anything other than New Haven paint* on an EP-5 has always been a bemused pet peeve of mine.  A few years ago we visited the National Toy Train museum near Strasburg, PA and while wandering through their Flyer collection, I saw that they had an EP-5 (correctly painted...) but labeled as a "Little Joe".  I pointed this out to the museum staff - who I'm sure thought "oh great, another foamer who doesn't know beans", but they were very polite and said they'd look into it.  We continued our tour through the museum and about 20 min later, one of the staff folks came up to me and said that indeed I was right, it is indeed an EP-5 and that they would change the label forthwith... (which they did).

*after the New Haven bankruptcy, 8 of the 10 EP-5s originally built went to the Penn Central and all of those locos did wind up in PC livery (e.g., here:  https://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=2408).  Apparently 6 of the original EP-5's (which PC relabeled as E40) survived into the Conrail era, but I've never seen a picture of an EP-5/E40 repainted in Conrail colors.  I think by that time all of them were essentially in a deadline in Harrisburg, PA and Conrail never saw fit to resurrect any of them.

It was indeed Lione/MPC that branded the EP-5 as a "Little Joe" with their first re-release of their O Gauge locomotive in 1976 with Pennsy and Milwaukee Road versions. 

The New Haven referred to the EP-5's first as "Screaming Mary's" then as "Jets" due to the sound the blowers made.

Not all EP-5's were repainted black, some went to Valhalla in worn out McGinnis garb.  4971, 4973 and 4977 survived until 1977 as freight locomotive and had one pantograph removed.

The EP-5 is a fascinating locomotive.  It's a shame that none were saved.

Rusty

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If you needed more clearance, you could limit the extension with some fishing line fed through the rivet holes and going around the rod at the top.  One thing I never liked about the pantographs is the "floppy" contact.  Will definitely be ordering the GN unit.

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Brendan

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The 2019 vol 2 catalog is now up online.

I have been reading my hard copy I got the other day and have made a few observations.

1. The U36C Legacy engines are stated to be here in the USA and available for purchase right now. That's unusual for Lionel. Since the U36C was identical to the U33C externally I'm guessing Lionel was able to have China add the new paint schemes and numbers to the U33C's. Sounds kinda like AM releases...when they are announced the models are available!

2. The State of Maine boxcar model should be referred to as the "Stars Wars Car"...  "LET THE 4'S BE WITH YOU!"

3. The new GN and NH heavyweights show the reference to flicker-free lighting. That usually refers to LED lighting including capacitors to eliminate the flicker of lights due to dirty track etc. I wonder if these cars will have LED lighting?

4. The Sound boxcars appear to be well thought out. I could see the noise from these cars becoming annoying after a while. However it looks like you can adjust the volume and frequency of the sounds or turn them off as desired.

 5. The regular boxcars offered have the door latches painted the color of the car. I like that as it lessens the glaring look of the toy latches that I'm not a fan of.

6. Lionel has offered the Waddell Coal Company paint scheme on a 2 bay hopper in HO scale. I missed out when S Helper Service first offered these cars in S scale. After market sales of these cars carry a high price tag. If Lionel offered this paint scheme with say 6 different car numbers on an American Flyer hopper I think the sales would be through the roof. Lionel/Flyer has a 2-bay hopper so new tooling wouldn't be required. LIONEL!!! THIS CAR WILL SELL IN S SCALE!!!

I think this is a very good catalog for S gauge operators containing a good mix of high-end and standard S gauge items.

Mark

The U36 has more features listed than the U33. The two I see added are (1) the Current speed, fuel level dialog and refueling sound effects, (2) Track IR sensor for use with sensor track. These items are not listed in the U33 features. For me the IR sensor is important since I have three S gauge sensor tracks on my layout. In addition to the U33 I already have on order I plan to buy a U36, a Legacy Berk and the Vesuvius Crucible sound effects box car.

Tom

AmFlyer posted:

The U36 has more features listed than the U33. The two I see added are (1) the Current speed, fuel level dialog and refueling sound effects, (2) Track IR sensor for use with sensor track. These items are not listed in the U33 features. For me the IR sensor is important since I have three S gauge sensor tracks on my layout. In addition to the U33 I already have on order I plan to buy a U36, a Legacy Berk and the Vesuvius Crucible sound effects box car.

Tom, I know that on my Legacy diesels I can trigger the refueling sound effects with my cab1 by holding down the AUX1 and 0 buttons at the same time. Letting off the 0 will trigger the refueling sounds. Is the U36C coming with something different do you think?

Mark

The features description for the U36 matches the features in the ES44 and the SD70, not the U33. I listed the differences I saw. My current U33's do not have the speed and fuel level dialog like the ES44 and SD70 nor the IR sensors. If the older U33's have the fuel filling sound effect it is not listed in the features and I have not figured out how to activate it with a Cab2.

Tom

I just noticed something interesting in the new catalog.

On page 112 showing the NH heavyweights there is a mention of new "Pullman Sleepers":

I wonder what they will look like...Pullman green lettered "PULLMAN" or what?

Having some stand alone green PULLMAN heavyweights would be neat. They could be added into any other heavyweight string of passenger cars from all roads and look right at home.

Hey Ryan and Dave...can you give us any further info on what these Pullman Sleepers might look like?

Mark

 

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Rogerdodger posted:

Check the GN cars. The diner and the sleeper appear to be the same shells, just the window inserts are different. I think we can assume the NH Pullman will be the same as the NH diner with different window inserts.

You may be right. What I'm wondering though is the color and any roof line changes (not likely) of the proposed Pullman sleeper cars.

I know Pullman operated a pool service of cars leasing them to railroads when requested. Some were painted in specific railroad colors while other retained the Pullman green and sometimes tuscan red.

Just need more details from Lionel.

Mark

 

Update On 2019 Legacy Berkshires Charles RO 

This morning by phone I was able to place an order for the 2019 Legacy Berkshire Nickel Plate scheduled for delivery in March.  I also ordered the 2019 NH Passenger Observation Car scheduled for delivery next fall.  The pricing was excellent, as is the service.  

Hoping these items are manufactured and delivered as scheduled.  I did note late last evening on the Lionel website for some of the new catalog items certain limited  reduced pricing.  Also in a few instances items noted as sold out if I read this correctly.  Just an fyi.  

I am excited about these items.  

Mike West

Mike West posted:

I did note late last evening on the Lionel website for some of the new catalog items certain limited  reduced pricing.  Also in a few instances items noted as sold out if I read this correctly.  Just an fyi.  

 

Can't find the items you are referring to. Have a link to them?

Mark

The 2019 vol 2 catalog pricing is up on Charles Ro's website. Ro can't quote early-bird discounted prices but you can see the lower price if items are put in your "cart" when ordering on the website. (Of course you can then remove them if you are just price shopping). Early bird prices end 9/3/19.

Anyway I went ahead and placed my order for the items I liked as the prices are nearly what I predicted in an earlier post.

The GN EP-5 (~ delivery date 9/10/20) is ~ $278.00 (16% off MSRP).

The sound boxcars (~ delivery date 5/10/20) are ~ $95.00 each (27% off MSRP).

Mark

Mark,

I was on the lionel.store.com website, and selected American flyer.  Selected items follow, which on the web are listed as new 2019. 

Mike

 

Guilford American Flyer LEGACY U33C #654
SKU:1921052
MSRP: $599.99
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Sold Out 

Guilford American Flyer LEGACY U33C #650
SKU:1921051
MSRP: $599.99
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Sold Out

Delaware & Hudson American Flyer LEGACY U33C #753
SKU:1921042
MSRP: $599.99
 
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Sold Out

 

Mark,

In looking tonight on the lionel.store.com, the several discounted prices posted last evening are not there.  Possibly these were changed, as they were very attractive.  Maybe I was dreaming, but I checked twice and don't think so. 

I ordered this morning the 2019 Legacy Berkshire Nickle Plate from Charles RO at $499, and am very eager and hopeful to receive next spring.  Their billing practices and service for me has been outstanding over the years.  

Best,

Mike

I think Rusty Traque was right about the U33Cs that were "new" for 2019. I suspect that the listing as "sold out" or now missing probably means that there were not enough orders to justify production. Lionel may have figured that they would call them U36Cs and paint them in different schemes instead of having them sit in inventory. That's why they are "on the boat" now and soon available while most other products from 2019 Volume 2 won't be here until spring.

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