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@Mark Boyce posted:

Lee, that is a great idea!  Very nice car!  Lots of folks have Santa Fe.  As an Appalachian railroad modeler, I’m afraid I have nothing to contribute!

CSX  ,  BP ,  PENNSY ,  B&O  and  C&O  here.............but ever since seing a video of a real SF on Pennsylvania rails I  had to succumb to the call of the Premier plated F7s .

( even cast my cash in for some Premier UP F7s and the gray 4-8-4  😶 )

...........never looked back

@Ron H posted:

Custom detailed ATSF Alco PA with scratch built brass pilot, detailed trucks and proper radio antenna. Did a post on detailing a Lionel ABA set years ago

Ron,  this is still one of my favorite clips of the ATSF PA's.   The three plumes of smoke are spectacular!  You should consider making a new feature video of this locomotive in a realistic setting for everyone to see sometime. Your 'scale' track is terrific too. In looking at Erik's 2 rail layout and your track I realize that 2 rail is probably in my future if I stay with the hobby down the line. The lower profile track is SO much better visually as it gives the effect of making our models appear more massive like the prototypes.

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As you can tell by my OGR name I'm a Western Pacific fan, the company that struggled up until UP bought them in 1983. But, I'm also a huge AT&SF fan, with two ABA sets of Santa Fe WarBonnet paint schemes. One day I'd like to have a F3/F7 Blue and Yellow WarBonnet! The photo is of #18 TMCC AA set with added B unit from the Lionel 2004 catalog. It's pulling the Semi Scale Chief set of passenger cars.

This Santa Fe WarBonnet paint scheme caboose was made by Lionel for LOTS. I purchased it from a LOTS member. The interior is complete with cabinets and tables.

Semi Scale Chief Dome Car. I added figures in all the passenger cars. I even have a guy sitting on the throne in one of the bathrooms! :-) Yes, the figures pants are down around his ankles, and little kids see that and just start laughing out loud! I love it! I'll spare you from a photo of that as it may not be acceptable in this forum.

Here's a couple of Menard's trucks in Santa Fe WarBonnet paint. These are lighted trucks.

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@lee drennen : Lee really neat Alco freight cab unit...I saw on another thread how you made this one and it looks great. Fabulous pictures everyone, GG1Guy that is quite a display ... but where are the GG1's??

Here are a couple of Santa Fe switchers for you all:

Here is the Marx 1998  Alco S3 switcher made between 1955 and 1962 in two color schemes.  First the more common maroon and yellow, shown here with a MOPAC (note lee!) cattle car and an empty auto rack.

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Here is the same locomotive in the much less common but likely more prototypical black and white livery.

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. Fabulous pictures everyone, GG1Guy that is quite a display ... but where are the GG1's??

Not quite on topic for this thread, but the GG1s?

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Not pictured are my Vision Line 4877 and Weaver PC version.

Forgot the HO and N ones too:

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Back on topic with some more ATSF with 3rd Rail E6s:

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GG14877...WOW!! You weren't kidding, that is some collection of GG1's.  I rode behind the G's when the corridor was still PRR.  I rode from New Brunswick to Newark NJ weekends to go home from college.  An hr to 90 minute drive was a scheduled 17 minutes behind a G...and when we loaded in New Brunswick, we loaded in the forward cars, usually coaches although they were still served by Pullman porters, but when we took off the acceleration was unbelievable.  We were doing 100 mph before the last car cleared the platform!

Thanks for showing me your collection

Don

GG14877...WOW!! You weren't kidding, that is some collection of GG1's.  I rode behind the G's when the corridor was still PRR.  I rode from New Brunswick to Newark NJ weekends to go home from college.  An hr to 90 minute drive was a scheduled 17 minutes behind a G...and when we loaded in New Brunswick, we loaded in the forward cars, usually coaches although they were still served by Pullman porters, but when we took off the acceleration was unbelievable.  We were doing 100 mph before the last car cleared the platform!

Thanks for showing me your collection

Don

Don,

My first GG1 experience was in 1975 when I was 6.  My family took a CNJ train up the Jersey Coast Line which terminated in Penn Station, Newark under what I later learned was the Aldene plan.  I have always been a railfan since I remember which goes back to my first train memory of riding the Strasburg when I was about 3.  My dad, being a railfan just like my grandfather pointed to the Clocker that pulled into the train shed at Newark while we were waiting and said, "that's a GG1!".  It scared me and thrilled me at the same time.  I have been a fan ever since.  Later as a teen my father took me and a friend of mine to ride the last ride of the GG1 in 1983 behind GG1 4877.  My future two rail layout that is designed in my head if not on paper yet is all PRR and CNJ.

One might ask, why Santa Fe?  When I moved to Arizona in 1992 I was still a die-hard PRR fan.  It took all the way until 2014 before I finally came around as a "Westerner" to finally appreciate what an amazing operation the Santa Fe was.  PRR trains were worn out and dirty.  Deferred maintenance ruled the road from the mid 50's on.  Penn Central was a disaster.  Meanwhile, Santa Fe was still providing first class service on a daily basis between Chicago and points west.  What finally got me hooked was when I was working on the 3rd Rail FT project.  No eastern roads I modeled purchased the FT.  As a matter of course, I like to have at least one example of each project I work on as part of my portfolio.  The original cream yellow cat whisker scheme was really attractive, so I got an ABBA set.  I was sold.  Since then, I still get a 3rd rail PRR locomotive in 2 rail when it is available, but often get a 3 rail ATSF locomotive to go with it.  The rest is history as you might say.

Here is a poor set of photos of that FT set that got me hooked on the Santa Fe.  Pardon my wordiness, when I get passionate on a subject the drivel flows!

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And a video of an AB set pulling 50 cars on the Paradise and Pacific in Scottsdale:

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Going through my collection in more detail and ran across more photos.

In what could be the worst example of a Santa Fe Locomotive ever is this Model Power HO E7 that was built by Roco.  Not a bad example of an E7, but a really poor execution of the Warbonnet on a locomotive the Santa Fe never purchased.  They settled on 4 axle units after the war due to grades and the only reason they ended up with E8s was that they were remanufactured from the original E1s to serve the Chicago to Texas routes that were relatively flat grades.

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While K-Line calls this an F7B, it is really a Phase IV F3B.  The tell is the slotted vents where a fan would occur on an F7. 

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Yes, I too have a Menards FP7 which was never rostered by the Santa Fe.  As a beta tester my unit came with many problems that I won't get into here.  I'll simply state that I have replacement parts to upgrade this and will add some details for a post 1955 Santa Fe diesel to make it a good working part of my Santa Fe collection.  It will pair nicely with my F3B.

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A few cars currently in the box, but I sure do love Atlas cars.  Plug door boxcar and a covered hopper.

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GG14877  Thanks for your story, I love the background and the beautiful pictures of the locomotives.  One more PRR and GG1 story.  In the late 50's Dad took be to the Army-Navy game in Philadelphia.  Believe it or not, the Army-Navy game was the PRR largest single day passenger movement schedule in the year.  When we left the stadium, the PRR had taken over the adjacent freight yards and all the trains were lined up...parallel to each other like one of your pictures.  The trains had big signs in the front, like "Newark", "Washington DC" etc.  You walked out got on your train and soon you were on your way home.  It was an incredible experience.

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When traveling through the rugged country near Raton on the ATSF you come across this -- and it comes up very quickly.  So much so that it took several trips on the Southwest Chief over, a period of years, before I nailed the shot.  (It also helped that the train seemed to be moving quite a bit more slowly than normal as we came through on the lucky pass-by.)

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Well "Santa Fe" fans, its that time of the week again, so I am really enjoying your posts and pictures.  Thanks to all who got up early and posted.  Lou1985 great scenes from Santa Fe and Albuquerque (I once served at Kirkland AFB in that town). RSJB18 and GG1Guy great boxcars.  Lee its good to see your #633 again in action...I am one of those folks who just love to see our Pre and Post war toys back in operation and really looking good!

Here is a Santa Fe switcher as interpreted by Mr. Marx, in the same time period as Lee's Lionel #633.  Its a Marx 1998 Alco S3 from 1955-1962.  The consist is some Santa Fe Marx cars that I put together for the picture, they didn't come as an official set.

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And here is a "Santa Fe" delivery truck, pulling up to the Marx freight station

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Have a great Labor Day everyone.

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A pair of Pecos River 50' double door boxcars.  One for road service and the other painted for MOW service.  What is interesting is the MOW painted one is factory painted over the traditional ATSF billboard map paint scheme.  Not sure why, but it is actually very prototypical in that regard as the MOW cars were all repaints over road service paint schemes.

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Matt who made these units? I need some of these.

They're from MTH and are Proto-2 (3v). Bought them back in 2009. They were offered in hi-rail or with scale wheels. Both the hi-rail and scale-wheel units can be operated on 3-rail or 2-rail mode. The later Proto-3 releases were not polarity-dependent, plus had DCC-compatibility as well as DCS and conventional (AC or DC). Unit 6609 was a duplicate 6608 that I was able to grab off eBay (the scale-wheel units sold out fast). They're still showing up occasionally in the secondary market and my understanding is that Atlas did NOT buy the U25 tooling from MTH. I'm hoping that the MTH successor will continue to produce these down the road.

@AGHRMatt posted:

They're from MTH and are Proto-2 (3v). Bought them back in 2009. They were offered in hi-rail or with scale wheels. Both the hi-rail and scale-wheel units can be operated on 3-rail or 2-rail mode. The later Proto-3 releases were not polarity-dependent, plus had DCC-compatibility as well as DCS and conventional (AC or DC). Unit 6609 was a duplicate 6608 that I was able to grab off eBay (the scale-wheel units sold out fast). They're still showing up occasionally in the secondary market and my understanding is that Atlas did NOT buy the U25 tooling from MTH. I'm hoping that the MTH successor will continue to produce these down the road.

Thanks I must have missed them. I am not impressed with Atlas as of yet they have the opportunity to take the 3-2 forward but yet choose to sit on their hands. I love the fixed pilots and kadees and am going to go broke trying to get the all those offering through 3rd rail since they are the only ones left doing it right now.

Thanks I must have missed them. I am not impressed with Atlas as of yet they have the opportunity to take the 3-2 forward but yet choose to sit on their hands. I love the fixed pilots and kadees and am going to go broke trying to get the all those offering through 3rd rail since they are the only ones left doing it right now.

Yeah. The last MTH engines I bought were the BNSF [so-called] Heritage units with scale wheels. I think I'm pretty much done buying engines at this point -- at least until things shake out.

@GG1 4877 posted:


I am planning a BIG layout one day where I can model both the PRR and the Santa Fe from NYC to Los Angeles via Chicago.

Jonathan,  How about a half mile square piece of property in Kerr County, Texas?  Seldom rains and has a nice gulley for an eye catching trestle.  Stainless steel track would be ideal for an out of doors layout.  You could model the Horse Shoe Curve, simulate switching to Dearborn Street Station and across the Great Plains.  John

@rattler21 posted:

Jonathan,  How about a half mile square piece of property in Kerr County, Texas?  Seldom rains and has a nice gulley for an eye catching trestle.  Stainless steel track would be ideal for an out of doors layout.  You could model the Horse Shoe Curve, simulate switching to Dearborn Street Station and across the Great Plains.  John

Based on a quick calculation the amount of land I would need would be 61.46 miles to do it to scale.  It is about 2950 miles by train which is the equivalent of 15,576,000 feet divided by 48 to equal 324,500 feet.  Divide that by 5280 feet to the mile.   

I think I am better off selling everything and buying a 1:1 short line.

Going through more boxes of trains and came across my recent acquisition of an era appropriate ATSF steel caboose for my FT set and a Lionel Railsounds boxcar.  RLS2 only so not quite the same in today's era of super bass, but it is a nicely decorated car. I might gut the sounds just to have a nice boxcar to run and put them in a locomotive.

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@mike g. posted:

All I have for now! LOLIMG_20210919_123949

Mike, Menards $20.00 freight cars, can't go too wrong with that! I too have a similar WarBonnet boxcar from Menards, different road number though. Also in the photo below with the WarBonnet is a Chief boxcar with graffiti. I have a bushel of Lionel metal sprung freight trucks, so I replaced the Menards trucks with the Lionel on these two units.

Happy Santa Fe Sunday!

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FOR SANTA FE SUNDAY:  The Lionel 2065 Santa Fe style Hudson pulling Santa Fe streamlined passenger cars.  I received the Hudson with a freight set for Christmas when I was 4 years old.  I purchased the passenger cars with allowance and grass cutting money when I was in 6th grade.   IMG_4445IMG_4483

Lionel Santa Fe FA 2 I received for Christmas when I was in 5th grade.  The set of diesels came as an AA set with one powered unit and the other a dummy.  This engine was never a great puller, however at the time all that mattered to me was that it looked cool with the warbonnet scheme ... and that it could handle those 3 passenger cars in fast fashion!  LOL! IMG_4347

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1775FA02-1A45-417D-A192-353F3917B850It is 7:00 pm in Floydada, TX and SL-SF locomotive #5010 has arrived ON TIME with QLA. The train will continue west to Plainview and Amarillo, TX on Uncle John Santa Fe with an ultimate destination of Los Angeles.  #5010 will depart Floydada with eastbound CTB (California Tulsa Birmingham) at 8:00pm to return to Quanah, TX and hand off to parent company Frisco at 10:45pm.  #5034 will depart with eastbound 3310 at 11:30pm.

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