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That is the pretty version for sure. The Bulldog facelift is one of my favorites.  Interested, but Sunset new offerings aren't in my budget.  It would make it as a wishlist item

  These are the shots I focused on when I started a fantasy ho bash of shell scraps and a fishing lure or N gauge box (?) based on these locos/photos (a backburner job, not even close to done)

[16)th I lost some

Ho bulldog by ?.

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My "mess"

 

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The only way I could see this done effectively would be in plastic with the common platform, and done with its companions done for other roads. The ATSF units fell into an EMC category of 1800HP "B-B" diesel-electrics all done around the same time. It LOOKS from the design and size that they were the predecessors to the E unit passenger diesels and also had dual engines in each unit. The units had cabs at both ends. I believe CB&Q also had one with a single-cab to pull one of the Zephyrs. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMC_1800_hp_B-B for the full article.

Demonstrator:

Baltimore and Ohio

The one in question for ATSF. Note that though they seemed to travel as a pair they were also double-ended.

 

 

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The only way I could see this done effectively would be in plastic with the common platform, and done with its companions done for other roads. The ATSF units fell into an EMC category of 1800HP "B-B" diesel-electrics all done around the same time. It LOOKS from the design and size that they were the predecessors to the E unit passenger diesels and also had dual engines in each unit. The units had cabs at both ends. I believe CB&Q also had one with a single-cab to pull one of the Zephyrs. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMC_1800_hp_B-B for the full article.

The one in question for ATSF. Note that though they seemed to travel as a pair they were also double-ended.

For reasons I can’t really explain, I think I’d be in for a SF version. I sort of like boxy engines, and this definitely qualifies, but I find the “streamlined” look of the truck covers to be very interesting.

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Pingman posted:
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No sale.  That's all I'll say.

Not one of your favorites, Tom???  No need to explain; but, it'd be interesting to read your thoughts/opinions.

I don't like to be negative on the Forum, but that rednose Frankenstein, created in Topeka Shops, is not Santa Fe's finest image.  The mechanical and safety improvements were good, but, whenever I see a photo of that thing, I immediately move on.  I can't even imagine what the people at EMD thought when that unit arrived at La Grange as credit on E8m's in 1952.

I wrote to Scott Mann, he replied that this is on his list but needs to get through some other planned projects first.  Perhaps those of us seriously on board for these can make it known to Scott Mann.  

I have ZERO interest in the remuddled version with warbonnet paint though, that is tough to look at!  The as delivered versions are uniquely beautiful locomotives.  

As far as color, here is description of the colors in Stan Repp's book Super Chief Train of the Stars:20190301_180352~01

"Olive Green."  Other official Santa Fe literature describes it as "Golden Olive. "  Although hard to tell in black and white pics, the areas that are Golden Olive sure look darker than lighter, hinting that the color may be more olive than yellow as on the Hallmark HO model.20190301_180522~01

The other option that will come into play, skirts, or no skirts?  In the Stan Repp book, the skirts were removed before the inaugural run of the locomotives.  They looked pretty cool with skirts in the publicity shots though.  20190301_180636~0120190301_180707~01

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AGHRMatt posted:

Here's the single-cab version for the CB&Q Zephyr. My suspicion is that it was a one-off build.

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There were two single-unit EA Shovelnoses on the Burlington: 9904 Pegasus and 9905 Zephyrus.  The other two were A/B combos: 9906A/B Silver King/Silver Queen and 9907A/B Silver Knight/Silver Princess.

The 9904 and 9905 were later converted in 1951 to fairly unattractive B-units, scrapped in 1957:

Source: Burlington Bulletin No. 13.

Rusty

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Rusty Traque posted:

There were two single-unit EA Shovelnoses on the Burlington: 9904 Pegasus and 9905 Zephyrus.  The other two were A/B combos: 9906A/B Silver King/Silver Queen and 9907A/B Silver Knight/Silver Princess.

The 9904 and 9905 were later converted in 1951 to fairly unattractive B-units, scrapped in 1957:

Source: Burlington Bulletin No. 13.

Rusty

Wow. What an undignified end. Thanks for the additional info.

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