Hi,

I’m going to be building my 4th layout and had some ideas on how to build the base of the layout differently than in the past. Before I start this just wanted to see what others thought or if they have done something similar. 

Goals

- Eco Friendly

- Affordable

- Quiet

- Looks right

What I’ve come up with is using Quiet Walk flooring underlayment on top of the 24x7 plywood. Then covering that with EcoRug.

Both the underlayment and EcoRug are 1/4 inch thick and made from recycled materials. Water bottles for EcoRug. The total cost for both would be $150.

The underlayment should have enough sound deadening properties if you believe their promotion.

The EcoRug looks good in person and won’t tear. It’s lightweight so should be easy to work with. From a color perspective it could use some additional variation  I’m thinking ground foam and spay glue should make that better. 

You can see EcoRug on the Lowes website. Quiet Walk is sold many places but Lumber Liquidators kills on pricing. 

Thanks ahead of time for your thoughts.1F83AA6B-8450-4DAF-A851-78EC7CF3A76DF0ADCB58-6E94-4612-81A3-F0E3DE2920D8

 

 

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It is a sound idea.....pun intended.....LOL   Seriously though, with both of those materials under your track, you should not hear anything but the sound of steel wheels on steel track.  You won't hear the roar of steel wheels on bare plywood.  

Dan Padova

 

"In the course of my life I have had to eat my words, and I must confess it was a wholesome diet"..........Winston Churchill

                                                                                                                                        

Here’s how I see installation working. 

  1. Lay down Quiet Walk
  2. Lay down track
  3. Glue something eco friendly under track
  4. Take off track
  5. Lay down EcoRug
  6. Spray glue light green and brown foam where track and buildings won’t be
  7. Lay down track
  8. Wire track
  9. Test
  10. Glue N-Gauge cork around outside edges of track
  11. Glue in roofing granules
  12. Tack EcoRug under table to hide edges
  13. Have a Bourbon County Stout
  14. Run trains

Fair point. Both products say they won’t tear. I’m not sure what that really means when you drill through it though. Plus the idea of fitting the tree into the perfect sized hole in the plywood isn’t thrilling. 

Thanks for the feedback. I’ll noodle on this awhile. 

You could always put a 3/4" or 1" inch rigid foam board from Lowes or HD on top of the plywood with construction adhesive. Tape any seams and then paint earth brown and, while still wet, sprinkle with green and yellow fine turf and when dry, spray the turf with a high hold hair spray - instant layout. Roads and streets can be masked off with duct tape before painting and go back with flat black or silver concrete paint. The foam holds accessories very well. 

 

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If you are looking at a flat table layout then the approach sounds solid (I agree about drilling through it, you may want to get a sample of both materials, lay it onto a scrap piece of wood, and see how easy it is to drill through). 

I did something different, I went with 1/4" plywood over a ladder frame, and then flue 4" of the blue foam on top of it. I wanted  to be able to do below track level contours (water, rivers, an abandoned rail line that goes under the real tracks), and to me this was the easiest way to do it (I could have gone open grid but  I have never worked with that, was a little intimidated with the cutting involved).  Could be I'll be cursing at it, will let everyone know

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ChiTown Steve posted:

Here’s how I see installation working. 

  1. Lay down Quiet Walk
  2. Lay down track
  3. Glue something eco friendly under track
  4. Take off track
  5. Lay down EcoRug
  6. Spray glue light green and brown foam where track and buildings won’t be
  7. Lay down track
  8. Wire track
  9. Test
  10. Glue N-Gauge cork around outside edges of track
  11. Glue in roofing granules
  12. Tack EcoRug under table to hide edges
  13. Have a Bourbon County Stout
  14. Run trains

I agree with 2, 8, 9, 13,14, &13.

The rest sounds like too much work!   

Paul  

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2 Rails?  3 Rails?  Doesn't matter, I can't count that high in either case.

I love the smell of fresh-brewed creosote first thing in the morning.

If the government knew how much fun O-gauge railroading was, they'd outlaw it!

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Mixed Freight posted:
ChiTown Steve posted:

Here’s how I see installation working. 

  1. Lay down Quiet Walk
  2. Lay down track
  3. Glue something eco friendly under track
  4. Take off track
  5. Lay down EcoRug
  6. Spray glue light green and brown foam where track and buildings won’t be
  7. Lay down track
  8. Wire track
  9. Test
  10. Glue N-Gauge cork around outside edges of track
  11. Glue in roofing granules
  12. Tack EcoRug under table to hide edges
  13. Have a Bourbon County Stout
  14. Run trains

I agree with 2, 8, 9, 13,14, &13.

The rest sounds like too much work!   

Needs more 13. Like... Every other step should be a 13. Maybe 2 13's at once? A 26!

-Fuzz
The average American eats 71 pounds of ketchup per year. 

SteamWolf posted:
Mixed Freight posted:
ChiTown Steve posted:

Here’s how I see installation working. 

  1. Lay down Quiet Walk
  2. Lay down track
  3. Glue something eco friendly under track
  4. Take off track
  5. Lay down EcoRug
  6. Spray glue light green and brown foam where track and buildings won’t be
  7. Lay down track
  8. Wire track
  9. Test
  10. Glue N-Gauge cork around outside edges of track
  11. Glue in roofing granules
  12. Tack EcoRug under table to hide edges
  13. Have a Bourbon County Stout
  14. Run trains

I agree with 2, 8, 9, 13,14, &13.

The rest sounds like too much work!   

Needs more 13. Like... Every other step should be a 13. Maybe 2 13's at once? A 26

Rule G in my world stands for Guzzle  

Richie C. posted:

Got it - will you be using eco-friendly plywood and framing lumber only sourced from sustainable forests ? That would be the way to go !!

Lowes a plywood is SFI Sustainable Forest Initiative.  I’ll need 2 4x8’s. The rest comes from reuse of my previous 2 layouts. 

Thanks for mentioning the sustainable forest idea. 😄 🌲

I agree. As the world view towards sustainability grows so do the materials that are available. It’s not that hard, as I’m finding, to build a layout from recyclable/reusable materials. 

I still haven’t found a way to plant trees yet. There are plenty of foam replacements but they are expensive for a train layout. I can put something under the EcoRug to plant the tree into. But then every tree is on a hill? Meh

Richie C. posted:

I think it would be great if someone undertook a project to build the most eco-friendly O scale train layout possible and documented it's progress. It would make a good article for OGR magazine, as well !

KEN-OSCALE has built dozens, if not hundreds, of eco-friendly layouts.  They're all stored on his computer's hard drive.  You just can't get more eco-friendly than that.

For everything else, an eco-friendly O scale train layout is just an environmentalist's "day"-dream fantasy.  When I look at my layouts (yes, I have more than one), I don't see a single thing on them that isn't burnable, buryable, or recyclable.  And that's without each and every manufacturer having claimed that their product was eco-friendly at the time I purchased the stuff.

My honest OPINION only, everyone else's may vary.  

Paul  

Ship Rock Island ROCKET FREIGHT

 

2 Rails?  3 Rails?  Doesn't matter, I can't count that high in either case.

I love the smell of fresh-brewed creosote first thing in the morning.

If the government knew how much fun O-gauge railroading was, they'd outlaw it!

Common sense is my second best trait.  Nonsense is my first, of course. 

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