I'm in the market for wiring my signals to my switches to change the lights on them. I have Lionels fastrack system with the command control switches (ie 6-81946) on my layout but I have a Marx switch, that I want to use on my workbench for testing purposes only. Can the same relays ect, be used for the Lionel and Marx switches? In other words, can I use the materials shown in this thread to change the color on the signal for either switch? I'd prefer not to spend a bunch of money on a switch for my bench and use what I have if possible. As far as signals go, I currently have a MTH signal bridge (30-11009) but I want to have signals from Atlas (along with their control board) Z-Stuff, Lionel (postwar and modern) and MTH. 

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Trainlover9943 posted:
Sid's Trains posted:

If it is a powered switch it is mostly likely the same basic design and can be used.

I kinda figured, but I wanted to be sure, 

Yeah, the three terminals on the Marx switch works the same as the three that the controller on the FasTrack switches connect to.

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Trainlover9943 posted:
Sid's Trains posted:

If it is a powered switch it is mostly likely the same basic design and can be used.

I kinda figured, but I wanted to be sure, 

Yeah, the three terminals on the Marx switch works the same as the three that the controller on the FasTrack switches connect to.

Alright cool. I'll just use that instead of the lionel switch. 

Trainlover9943 posted:

The next question is, can I use an Atlas signal board with the lionel switch? Would I hook it up like in 12:29 of this video or like in the thread above? 

Yes, because the black cable connects to the plug on the board and the bare wires connect to the FasTrack switch just like with the Atlas switch motor.

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Trainlover9943 posted:

The next question is, can I use an Atlas signal board with the lionel switch? Would I hook it up like in 12:29 of this video or like in the thread above? 

Yes, because the black cable connects to the plug on the board and the bare wires connect to the FasTrack switch just like with the Atlas switch motor.

Sweet! Will make using the Atlas signals easy. I'll have to do a bit more work for the other brands but it shouldn't be too difficult. 

Trainlover9943 posted:

Wonder if I could make or just buy the atlas control board separately so I could use MTHs or others signals with the atlas board. 

You don't have to use atlas boards to connect signals to switches. You can sometimes just directly connect them.

Trainlover9943 posted:
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Wonder if I could make or just buy the atlas control board separately so I could use MTHs or others signals with the atlas board. 

You don't have to use atlas boards to connect signals to switches. You can sometimes just directly connect them.

That would be cool and easy to implement.

Usually a signal has three wires coming out of it. Usually black for ground and red and green for thru and diverting. Basically the signal lights, with those wires can hook directly to the switch and function just as the lights on the switch controller do.

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I wired the leads shown in the photo. The lights work but don't change with the position of the switch. 

Try switching them around. I have also had issues with Marx switches being slightly different. Have you tried a command switch yet?

Switched the wires and no change. I haven't tried a command switch yet. Should I go there next? 

Trainlover9943 posted:
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Trainlover9943 posted:

I wired the leads shown in the photo. The lights work but don't change with the position of the switch. 

Try switching them around. I have also had issues with Marx switches being slightly different. Have you tried a command switch yet?

Switched the wires and no change. I haven't tried a command switch yet. Should I go there next? 

I say try a FasTrack switch because I'm pretty sure they will work.

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Trainlover9943 posted:

I wired the leads shown in the photo. The lights work but don't change with the position of the switch. 

Try switching them around. I have also had issues with Marx switches being slightly different. Have you tried a command switch yet?

Switched the wires and no change. I haven't tried a command switch yet. Should I go there next? 

I say try a FasTrack switch because I'm pretty sure they will work.

Alright. I'll pull one and try it, wire it the way I wired the marx switch? 

I pulled one of my CC switches. Wired thru output to green lead on the signal and the out output to the red lead on the signal and connected the common to my common power. When power is applied the red and yellow lights on the signal light up and when I try to throw the switch it doesn't throw but the motor buzzes. I'm getting somewhere. 

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Do you have any LED Diodes on hand that you can simply wire up to the switch?

Unfortunately I don't. I take it I need them? 

Do you have any sort of light bulb with wires?

Yes I do. 

Hook that to the switch and power and see what it does?

Will do, should I wire the bulb alone to the switch or keep the signal connected too? And hook the bulb to what terminals on the switch? Thru and out? 

Trainlover9943 posted:
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Do you have any LED Diodes on hand that you can simply wire up to the switch?

Unfortunately I don't. I take it I need them? 

Do you have any sort of light bulb with wires?

Yes I do. 

Hook that to the switch and power and see what it does?

Will do, should I wire the bulb alone to the switch or keep the signal connected too? And hook the bulb to what terminals on the switch? Thru and out? 

If you have multiple bulbs, hook on to thru and the other diverting. Then take the the signal off.

Atlas dwarf lights hooked to Atlas switch motors.  There is a PC board that senses the impedance of the switch throw and changes the light.

There does not seem to be a link to the Atlas site for these items.  Probably no longer available.   IMO, Mike CT. 

 I'd like to help but recently folks seems fail to make the effort to curteously check off the little check box that says "insert image image into text large sized".  I have no clue why.

   Photos/video are a draw for this site per our last CEO, not really a data burden like some smaller sites.  The end result is that I usually pass over such posts... but here you seem to be having a bit of trouble. (there is no big difference to the amount of data comsumed at your end doing it either) 

  ''Insert in text" appears mid box after the upload in the attachment tool reaches "success", before you hit "finish"... and if forgotten, appears AGAIN in blue at the bottom of each thumbnails box located at the very bottom of the composing screen.

  The "second chance" also gives a size choice of lrg. med. sm.  for the extremely rare occasion of a very large photo size, bigger than an actual page, or when large really isn't needed.

Forgot twice? Under each post's dots menu at the right, you can hit "edit" and follow the second chance method mentioned above.

What your doing with the turnouts is very basic stuff, but I can't open the thumbnails to confirm what you are doing is right or wrong.

I'll be back if it changes. Good luck to you either way 😘

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Adriatic posted:

 I'd like to help but recently folks seems fail to make the effort to curteously check off the little check box that says "insert image image into text large sized".  I have no clue why.

   Photos/video are a draw for this site per our last CEO, not really a data burden like some smaller sites.  The end result is that I usually pass over such posts... but here you seem to be having a bit of trouble. (there is no big difference to the amount of data comsumed at your end doing it either) 

  ''Insert in text" appears mid box after the upload in the attachment tool reaches "success", before you hit "finish"... and if forgotten, appears AGAIN in blue at the bottom of each thumbnails box located at the very bottom of the composing screen.

  The "second chance" also gives a size choice of lrg. med. sm.  for the extremely rare occasion of a very large photo size, bigger than an actual page, or when large really isn't needed.

Forgot twice? Under each post's dots menu at the right, you can hit "edit" and follow the second chance method mentioned above.

What your doing with the turnouts is very basic stuff, but I can't open the thumbnails to confirm what you are doing is right or wrong.

I'll be back if it changes. Good luck to you either way 😘

So are you complaining that you can't see Matt's images and videos?

Adriatic posted:

 I'd like to help but recently folks seems fail to make the effort to curteously check off the little check box that says "insert image image into text large sized".  I have no clue why.

   Photos/video are a draw for this site per our last CEO, not really a data burden like some smaller sites.  The end result is that I usually pass over such posts... but here you seem to be having a bit of trouble. (there is no big difference to the amount of data comsumed at your end doing it either) 

  ''Insert in text" appears mid box after the upload in the attachment tool reaches "success", before you hit "finish"... and if forgotten, appears AGAIN in blue at the bottom of each thumbnails box located at the very bottom of the composing screen.

  The "second chance" also gives a size choice of lrg. med. sm.  for the extremely rare occasion of a very large photo size, bigger than an actual page, or when large really isn't needed.

Forgot twice? Under each post's dots menu at the right, you can hit "edit" and follow the second chance method mentioned above.

What your doing with the turnouts is very basic stuff, but I can't open the thumbnails to confirm what you are doing is right or wrong.

I'll be back if it changes. Good luck to you either way 😘

I can view them fine. Of course, it may be different since I'm the OP. 

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   The thumbnail veiwer doesn't work all the time for absolutely everyone on every piece of hardware and software at all times. Especially as fast as code changes today. Sometimes I can copy the code, start a post, and insert it into my own post using your posts address to see it, sometimes the option doesn't show.

  Users adding it to text is a more direct and universal approach than thumbnail viewers and players.  It will almost always load quickly & correctly from there cross platform.  My option to see would be download it, exit the browser and look, then return. Not ideal for tech posts esp. 

  Yep, I'm complaining some. But also asking for a renewal of a general consideration.  I never had a problem before because it so seldomly happened. I.e., I'm not the first to point this out either. There was a sort of "rally" by folks to check the box, a few years back. I would think traces of it could still be sticky posts in the forum tech section.

  Better yet why not? Imagry usually improves the look and interest of each page. Newspapers, magazines, and now sites prove it's preferable.

 Seeing pictures before joining was one of the reasons many folks end up here, whether realized or not. (I know more than a little about involuntary and trending reaction to commercial presentations in general. It's stage magic and graphic art combined and aimed at the common reactions (and memory)

    Beats 3/4 of a page of grey repeats too πŸ˜‚    

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I apologize in advance for sounding dense, but I must be missing something.  Apparently you have a layout with Fastrack switches. In your initial post you link to a thread which discusses the so-called "yellow wire" which is an output signal from a Fastrack switch which can be used to determine the thru vs. divert position of the switch.  As you show in your youtube video the Fastrack switch is a "modern" design with LEDs, diodes, etc.  The Marx switch is an "old-school" design; it does not offer that same "yellow wire" output signal. 

Question 1. So are you asking how to create this "yellow wire" signal from a Marx switch?

Question 2. Apparently the Marx switch is a one-off (all your other switches are Fastrack) and it's for use on a bench.  If on a bench why is it important to have an indicator of which direction the switch is thrown?  Seems to me if it's on a bench for testing purposes, aren't you're staring right at the switch so why the need for a direction indicator?  

Question 3. You say your have an MTH 3-aspect signal head and you even show it in your video.  I don't understand how a Red-Yellow-Green signal head, not to mention one with MTH's integral yellow-to-green timer, relates to your original requirement for a thru vs. diverge 2-aspect indicator.  Do you use or plan to use a 3-aspect signal head to indicate switch direction on your layout?

 

 

 

stan2004 posted:

I apologize in advance for sounding dense, but I must be missing something.  Apparently you have a layout with Fastrack switches. In your initial post you link to a thread which discusses the so-called "yellow wire" which is an output signal from a Fastrack switch which can be used to determine the thru vs. divert position of the switch.  As you show in your youtube video the Fastrack switch is a "modern" design with LEDs, diodes, etc.  The Marx switch is an "old-school" design; it does not offer that same "yellow wire" output signal. 

Question 1. So are you asking how to create this "yellow wire" signal from a Marx switch?

Question 2. Apparently the Marx switch is a one-off (all your other switches are Fastrack) and it's for use on a bench.  If on a bench why is it important to have an indicator of which direction the switch is thrown?  Seems to me if it's on a bench for testing purposes, aren't you're staring right at the switch so why the need for a direction indicator?  

Question 3. You say your have an MTH 3-aspect signal head and you even show it in your video.  I don't understand how a Red-Yellow-Green signal head, not to mention one with MTH's integral yellow-to-green timer, relates to your original requirement for a thru vs. diverge 2-aspect indicator.  Do you use or plan to use a 3-aspect signal head to indicate switch direction on your layout?

 

 

 

Thanks for the reply Stan. Yes, I am wondering if I can create the yellow output signal on the marx switch (for testing so should I mess up the wiring I wouldn't damage an $80 fastrack switch). In response to question two, I want to mimic what the fastrack switch would do when the position on the switch is changed to thereby have the lights on the signal change as well. For question 3, I'd like to use that signal shown in my video to indicate the switch direction on my layout. Hope this helps. 

I'd raise the optional cap voltage to 50v but I think this is one option... "guessing" what might be in place....my following all the other research not shown would have taken longer than doing this much.   "not my job"

  Lamps here, but led&resistor should be fine. 13,11,9- is an isolated circuit; by disconnecting 13 from 4 and lamps from com, reverse polarity by 13to com, and L1/L2 to hot (or both to ac etc.)   sketch-1561931259681

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Since the purpose the "yellow wire" is to drive a relay, as Adriatic suggests you can skip the middle-man and go directly to a circuit that drives a relay.  If not comfortable with component-level assembly, Azatrax sells off-the-shelf latching relay modules.  Here's one with screw-terminals that might not require any soldering.  Apparently there have been different style of Marx switches, but here's how I figure it would be applied to the most common switch-controller configuration (3 wires between the switch and the controller).

Azatrax latching relay module

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I'm in the market for wiring my signals to my switches to change the lights on them. I have Lionels fastrack system with the command control switches (ie 6-81946) on my layout but I have a Marx switch, that I want to use on my workbench for testing purposes only. Can the same relays ect, be used for the Lionel and Marx switches? In other words, can I use the materials shown in this thread to change the color on the signal for either switch? I'd prefer not to spend a bunch of money on a switch for my bench and use what I have if possible. As far as signals go, I currently have a MTH signal bridge (30-11009) but I want to have signals from Atlas (along with their control board) Z-Stuff, Lionel (postwar and modern) and MTH. 

I did the same thing. 20-20 hindsight - find a manufacturer you like and stick with their product. This will make wiring A WHOLE LOT SIMPLER!

Joe Fauty

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