Smoke Fix for PS3 RTR Engines

This ASC Technical Advisory was just received this morning:

 

2014 RTR Set Smoke Fix
The 2014 RTR 2-8-0 set engines contain software that does not allow the smoke to be turned off using the smoke volume POT setting.   Please download the latest chain file available on the website into the engine to correct this problem.   Remember the PS3 consumer package file (.zip) format is downloaded from the website.   Unzip this file one time to obtain the sound file (.MTH) format and the Chain File (.zip) format. 
   
For example, downloading the package file for item 30-4228-1, yields the following; r141_f_280_frt_all141205au4x-cnsmr.zip (this is the consumer package file)


Unzip the consumer package file one time to obtain the following;

r141_f_280_3244_code.zip (this is the Chain File)  Load this file using the FLASH icon on the Loader Program to correct the smoke issue

 

and

 

r141_f_280_frt_all140702af4x.mth (this is the Sound File)

 

After loading the chain file, you should be able to turn off smoke by turning th PS3 RTR set's engine's Smoke Pot completely off.

Barry

 

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Original Post

That is using the 2014 Diesel engine code.  Whether that works for steam not sure.   I have some questions for MTH about specific chain file segment and there ability to be used in other engines.  G

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Stan,

 I'd think this Smoke Fix Chain File would include the new Factory Reset feature?

I would think so , as well, however, you'll have to ask MTH or upgrade a 2-8-0 yourself to find out.

Barry

 

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I checked with MTH and the steam does have the Factory reset capability.  These files can be back loaded to earlier PS-3, but at this point 2-8-0 sets.  G

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This thread raises an interesting issue.  Barry indicates this was a Technical Advisory, which presumably is a bulletin to techs.  But it is actually of greater interest to consumers, those who operate the trains.  MTH ought to have an advisory section of its website where such matters are posted for those who have the greatest interest and need, the operators who have the issue.

Originally Posted by RJR:

This thread raises an interesting issue.  Barry indicates this was a Technical Advisory, which presumably is a bulletin to techs.  But it is actually of greater interest to consumers, those who operate the trains.  MTH ought to have an advisory section of its website where such matters are posted for those who have the greatest interest and need, the operators who have the issue.

Sounds like a great idea to me.

Hi all,

 

Here's an update on this issue.  I'm happy to report that this fix worked very well for an MTH 30-4227-1E, PRR 2-8-0 steam locomotive.  The customer's complaint was that the SMOKE feature could NOT be turned off by rotating the pot under the tender fully counter clockwise.  I downloaded the corrected MTH sound file that Barry mentions above and used the DCS technician's loader to load ONLY the CHAIN FILE from within the downloaded ZIP file.  The CHAIN FILE is a small (81 Kb) ZIP file and the loader recognized and loaded it into the locomotive in just over 1 minute.

 

Once completed, I checked the locomotive's operation in CONVENTIONAL mode and now the loco spews forth smoke when its supposed to and emits absolutely nothing with the tender's rheostat fully CCW.  The loco still works as it did in DCS mode with smoke fully adjustable as it had been with the old, original CHAIN FILE.  The only difference is that smoke is controlable in Conventional Mode and therefore controlable when using the DCS Remote Commander.

 

Thanks Barry, thanks Marty Fitzhenry and thanks MTH - good job!

 

Best to all,

Dave

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It's funny, I've skipped over this thread for the past 11 months without looking at it.  Suddenly, it's important to me.  I just bought a 30-4227-1 PRR Passenger Set as a gift to a family with no toy train experience.  I will give them a "heads-up" about this.  They don't plan on setting it up until Christmas Eve, so I won't know for a while if they are affected.  I have several questions.

  1. This was identified as a 2014 RTR set problem.  Has it been corrected in the factory shipments of the 2015 RTR sets?
  2. Is there anyway to tell if a set is left-over from 2014 or new for 2015?
  3. If I interpret Dave Garman's post correctly, it sounds like this was a problem in conventional mode only, since Dave says the Pot operates as it should with the Remote Commander (DCS) using the original CHAIN FILE.  Am I right about this?
  4. Or am I wrong about #3 above, and is it also a problem running with the supplied Remote Commander?  (If so, I'll get the engine from them after Christmas and load the fix)

If you reply, please be as specific as possible (suggest replying to each question by number), to avoid my mis-interpretation of your answer.

 

Thank you so much.

 Bob Snyder

 MTHRRC, TCA

Hi bob,

 

Actually, the owner complained that his locomotive puts out TOO Much smoke - a complaint repair technicians rarely hear.  (What we do hear is "how can we get MORE smoke out of it")

 

I'm not sure if there IS a way to tell if the loco is from 2014 or 2015 other than putting 15 drops or so "down the hatch" and running it in Conventional mode with the rheostat under the tender fully clockwise and then fully counter clockwise to see if the smoke stops.  My bet is that they ALL came from the same production run and will ALL be so affected.  BUT... I've been know to be wrong and I'm sure someone here will correct me if that's the case!!!

 

In the locos that I've had with this issue, the smoke CANNOT be shut off in conventional mode and CANNOT be "toned down" enough when using the DCS Remote Commander hand-held controller.  Perhaps its just the fairer sexy complaining to their hubbies but it really is an issue that MTH corrected with the release of the updated SOUND FILE which; when downloaded, contains the CHAIN FILE.

 

The CHAIN FILE is all you really have to load into your loco to correct the issue and the original sound file can be left alone during this procedure.  If you load both the CHAIN FILE and the SOUND FILE, the procedure takes considerably longer.

 

Hope this helps...

 

My email address is in my profile should you have any additional questions Bob.

 

Best,

Dave

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Thanks Dave, for the detailed answer.  I'll let them deal with it through Christmas, and then get it back so I can install the corrected file.  I'll caution them to keep fluid in it to protect the smoke mechanism until the fix is applied.

 

Regards,

 Bob Snyder

 MTHRRC, TCA

Hi guys.  I am the guy Dave fixed the smoke issue for on the 2-8-0.  Thanks so much to Dave for an excellent job and Marty and Barry and MTH for the fix.  My wife has asthma and the need to turn this off was very important. Of course on my grandson's visits he wanted more smoke ... imagine !!

 Right out of the box as purchased from MTH the sound pot worked fine but not the smoke pot. Dave introduced me to this forum and as I scanned I found this thread on the fix.  Dave does not have a DCS Remote Commander, but after he worked his magic in DCC all I had to do is perform the simple factory reboot and voila' all is as it should be.

This is the Christmas tree engine so workability was key.

Since I recently did a little retired consulting I treated myself to an MTH Erie Triplex. My grandfather worked the Erie for 50 years and saw this engine live.  It is a shame MTH did not label it the Matt Shay who was an Erie engineer who they named one after.  This one worked out of the box just fine.

Again  many thanks to all as I thought I would have to disassemble this and unhook the smoke generator.

PS: I have been an N scaler for 30 + years.

Regards

Mike Mager

Mike,

Thanks for the cudos!

I'll just bet that the fruits of your labors from the next consulting job nets you a full blown DCS system - once there, you'll never look back

Best, Dave 

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Hello,  I'm new to the forum and just joined.  I cannot turn off the smoke unit on our newly purchased MTH 2-8-0 w/ PS3 (Christmas Steam Freight #30-4229-1).  I've followed the instructions (turn off track power, remove engine and tender, turn the smoke potentiometer fully counter-clockwise, place back on track, power up).   This set comes with a DCS remote control.  I do not have a TIU.  What is the best way to correct this?  Thank you, Ken

KENJ,

Sorry for the slow response.  Check with your local hobby shop and see if they are an MTH Authorized Service Center (ASC).  They can reprogram your locomotive.  There are a number of ASCs here on the Forum.  You might also contact one of them.  I noticed from your profile that you are in Massachusetts - there is at least one ASC here on the Forum who lives in that vacinity.

Best regards, Dave

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KENJ, I am in Dedham if you need help with this.

 

 

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