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Current layout is on a 4x8, but I think I'm up for a new build over the course of 2023. I'm starting the transition to Scale/Legacy, and have plans to start bringing on some O54 minimum equipment...so that means we need a bigger layout!

"Somewhat Temporary" likely means at least 2-3 years of use, in the crappy basement, until said basement gets finished and we dedicate a space to a larger, and more permanent layout in the future.

The objective is mostly running trains. I borrowed most of this from a @Ken-Oscale layout, made a few small adjustments, and added the outer loop. I'm targeting 6x12 because it's about the maximum size for the space I have, and I'll be able to access it from all sides, so while a 3' reach into the center is pushing it, I should be able to handle it. It's also roughly the minimum size we'll need to accommodate an O60 minimum on that outer loop, which will handle the equipment I expect to run the next few years.

With this layout, we get to sit and watch trains run on the outer loops, while the inner "layout" can be used for some switching/operating, too. I have a 4 year old who enjoys the trains, so this should allow us both to operate together. All 3 loops could actually be left independent, sparing the cost of all the switches involved in the crossovers - maybe that is a phased approach to add them in over time. I don't have the outer loops connected here, but there is room to do so as well.

The outer is a compound O67 - there are 3 O60 curves, but everything else is O72+. I'm guessing it might run some O72 equipment, but I won't likely own any for a while...unless I bite the bullet on the Dreyfuss... The middle is compound O57, with a few O48 sections. The inner is O36. Now, if I went with a table width closer to 6'6", we could probably squeeze a true O72 minimum on the outer. I should probably just do that if I'm already so close...



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Potential Issues/Discussion Points:

  • It's a lot of track. I've never done any real scenery, and since this is somewhat temporary it is not the biggest focus, but I do expect to try some scenery projects on this. There is likely room for a small mountain, or some sort of physical scenery break to hide the trains a bit. Is it too much track? I would like to start adding things like the Menard's buildings for industries, etc. I'm not big on operating accessories these days, but would want to look at adding some signals and other more passive accessories over time.
  • I've looked at a ton of track plans, and there are many I'd really like to build, but many of the more interesting ones require substantial elevation changes, scenery, etc. Not sure that I am up for that complexity at this stage. I could see having the outer loop run a grade up/down the back of the layout, with a bridge feature, to add some interest if space allows. So I'm a little concerned about it being flat/boring, especially since I would like elevation changes in an ideal layout, but I think between my current skills and the size, any real elevation over/under type stuff probably won't work here.
  • The outer loops could just be double track straight along the top, too. I added the curves for some interest, but there is room to play around with that or even add additional spurs off the middle loop, but too much track may already be an issue.
  • The inner loop doesn't NEED that passing siding, but it would allow a train to be stored there while another operates the inner or does some switching. Taking it out creates more room to adjust the main lines, or perhaps add some scenery (mountain/tunnel) at the top of the layout.
  • Other concern is just - is this the best use of this space? Can I do better? I've been looking at layouts on the forum for weeks...this is what I decided to put together after reviewing a lot of (great) content.


As always - appreciate the feedback!

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@GregK posted:




Potential Issues/Discussion Points:

  • It's a lot of track. I've never done any real scenery, and since this is somewhat temporary it is not the biggest focus, but I do expect to try some scenery projects on this. There is likely room for a small mountain, or some sort of physical scenery break to hide the trains a bit. Is it too much track? I would like to start adding things like the Menard's buildings for industries, etc. I'm not big on operating accessories these days, but would want to look at adding some signals and other more passive accessories over time.

Yes, IMO, thats quite a bit of track. Its your layout though, ultimately its your call.

However, I think you find O scale structures, even those on the smaller side , like Lionels 6x8 2 story buildings start to suck up real estate pretty fast. Add to that, if you want a parking area and/or streets for vehicles. The same can be said for any industries you may be looking to add. You'll find your sidings are too short for more than a car or two, or one loco.  Mountains need a bit of space too.

I feel 2 concentric loops can get boring over time.  Removing the inner loop and sidings and adding a different contour to the outer loops might provide more interesting operation as well as space for scenery, industries and sidings in a different area on the layout.

Just my 2cents though. If you like it, build it.

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@RickO posted:

Yes, IMO, thats quite a bit of track. Its your layout though, ultimately its your call.

However, I think you find O scale structures, even thoughs on the smaller side , like Lionels 6x8 2 story buildings start to suck up real estate pretty fast. Add to that, if you want a parking area and/or streets for vehicles. The same can be said for any industries you may be looking to add. You'll find your sidings are too short for more than a car or two, or one loco.  Mountains need a bit of space too.

I feel 2 concentric loops can get boring over time.  Removing the inner loop and sidings and adding a different contour to the outer loops might provide more interesting operation as well as space for scenery, industries and sidings in a different area on the layout.

Just my 2cents though. If you like it, build it.

That's the trouble, I might not like it the more I look at it. The size is a bit of an issue - the table is big enough for a wider radius curve loop, but not enough space to do too much more while maintaining a wider curve minimum.

I've been looking at this one quite a bit: https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...-train-layout?page=1

I may try adjusting this to fit an O60 outer route. I noticed that as the curves get wider, you also need more length to do things like reversing loops...so my 6x12 might be a challenging size - I might have to see if I can squeeze 6x13 or 6x14 instead, which might add just enough extra length to allow more interesting operation while maintaining at least one O60 route.

Might be going back to the drawing board on this one.

@GregK posted:

That's the trouble, I might not like it the more I look at it. The size is a bit of an issue - the table is big enough for a wider radius curve loop, but not enough space to do too much more while maintaining a wider curve minimum.

I've been looking at this one quite a bit: https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...-train-layout?page=1

I may try adjusting this to fit an O60 outer route. I noticed that as the curves get wider, you also need more length to do things like reversing loops...so my 6x12 might be a challenging size - I might have to see if I can squeeze 6x13 or 6x14 instead, which might add just enough extra length to allow more interesting operation while maintaining at least one O60 route.

Might be going back to the drawing board on this one.

Hi Greg, I went with an original design from Ken and widened the table to 6’ with a 16’ length. As you can see from my AnyRail design there’s some nice train action with a reverse loop. I was given some excellent ideas from other forum members that I used(thanks to all who helped). My original plan was quite boring. Each loop has 4 feeders with 10 power blocked sidings. The outer loop is O60.

Gene

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