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DSC08930DSC01091DSC01093DSC01094DSC01096Friends. I would like to be able to show you photos of a beautiful blast furnace and even though I have been working on this for three months nothing so far has happened. So why am I posting a "nothing" message? First a project like this for one person to do is massive and to keep the layout operating in between all this planning and changes is also a big job so today I will show you just one change out of many that I have had to do before I start on the Furnace. The high line an important part of the Steel mill it feeds the raw materials to the furnace and I am not going into any details of how the mill works as I am no expert at anything just a person that reads and researches endlessly even my patient wife gets sick of seeing me reading endless steel books in bed every night so lets stop there! I had to make some changes to the high line and move it towards the aisle so I had more room for the Skip and machinery house. Notice also how another Slag track has been added and now the high line has another short spur for a loco or a bad order car the photos show the changes are small I know but still takes time. Roo. 

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Roo keep up the great work. I will be watching what you accomplish as well as copying your ideas.

I'm lucky as my son is helping with the layout and he is building the blast furnace. i will do the rolling mill. we are lucky as we have 2 lasers as well as a 3d printer. he is also going to start working on the ingot mold as well as the flat cars to carry them.

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Thanks everyone for their kind words. Sure I can add some dimensions BRADA, but not for a couple of days. Most of today was spent measuring the space, the track, the cars that will be using the furnace, MTH and Lionel Slag cars are both different sizes this is important to keep in mind, anyway, the whole pouring floor is now in the computer and my friend is working on a CAD drawing at the present time. to me the Pouring floor and the position of the pillars supporting it is one of the most important to get right as this is the basis for the whole thing. Now I must make this clear my friend and I are not Steel Mill experts and our mill is not based on any mill anywhere, it will look the same or similar but is strictly freelance. If anyone wanted to build a furnace in O scale the measurements that I will give is for a freelance blast furnace in O scale nothing more, just had to make that clear! A couple of things I wanted with the Blast furnace was five tracks starting from left to right, two on one side (One for storage) for slag cars, two underneath that are capable of holding two MTH bottle cars on each track, and one further track for slag on the other (Right) side this is important for me as the layout is an operating layout and we want to deal with four pours per session. Each Hot Metal train will have one locomotive a spacer car (Old AHM Gondola) and two MTH bottle cars OR three Lionel bottle cars. The Slag trains will have one locomotive either with six MTH slag cars OR four DOUBLE Lionel slag cars (I joined two Lionel slag cars together to make these) as I felt the MTH looked so much bigger or the Lionel looked so much smaller so a double Lionel filled the roster just nice. I could talk all night about cars I use for this project there are many but lets not get to carried away even though it's taken three years to get this far it's still early days. Keep in mind this is just one way of building a O scale Steel mill there are lots of good modellers that have built mills a lot better than mine will be Dave for instance has a beautiful Blast Furnace in O scale right here on the website with some great photos. 

Definition of an Operating session.

An operating session goes all day , five hours running trains, two hours eating drinking and talking every Friday. I spend the Thursday checking the paper work and printing it out, cleaning and checking Locos and staging the layout and maybe cleaning some track. I also provide the food and drinks.  No wonder I need to get away now and again!! It's still fun I love it and the operators do to. Hooroo from Roo.

 

Dave. I have converted all my rolling stock myself the one thing I haven't converted yet is the Lionel bottle cars to Kadees the trucks I have two railed I would dearly love to get some Kadee spacers from Mario if he makes them.

The way I was going to approach the Lionel Bottle cars is similar to the way I converted the Atlas SW locomotives and that is making a plate with four holes two threaded for the couplings the other two using ordinary holes and the Atlas screws but with the Bottle cars I was going to drill and tap the metal car screw the spacer then drill and tap for the Kadee coupler. here is my adapter for the Kadees to SW locomotives and here is a eight wheeler bottle car fitted with Kadees I have not painted that yet it's still brand new. I would like to buy Mario's adapters but have trouble reading his website maybe I need more practice trying to do to many things at once! Thanks Roo.

Hey Max, if you ever come over make it a Friday! (operating day)

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Lousy photos sorry. Should have checked them out first, the number on the plate disregard it's just something from my long ago engineering days when you numbered everything, old habits are hard to break but I'm trying!  Have to go out the wife is yelling at me to get off the computer!  Thanks everyone for the kind words now it's down to the Shopping centres for Christmas shopping which I detest (Not Christmas... shopping!) at this time of the year. Should just give her my wallet and stay home. Roo.

Roo

I studied books on steel mills for a long time before I was able to construct a steel mill. It is a massive project and there is a tremendous amount of equipment involved. A train layout has very limited space for a structure like this. Take your time so you capture the concept of a steel mill. 

Since there is not a construction deadline or a bonus/penalty clause for construction, take as much time as you like and enjoy every minute of constructing the mill.

 

Alan Graziano

I have some sizes, keep in mind this is to fit the space on the layout, the side elevation of the furnace is only to scale in height the width has been compressed because we don't have an A3 printer so we can only print on A4 size sheets if IDSC01122DSC01123DSC01124 had plenty of money I would buy an A3 printer instead of a loco! Please excuse the dreadful way I have posted the basic plans as I can't work out how to post PDF files here maybe you can't. Sizes are Metric sorry. Slag car ladle is MTH as it's bigger than the Lionel. Blast furnace is based on one from Beth steel works. Roo.

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Alan.

You must have posted your message at the same time I posted the basic plans. Wise words indeed and thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule to post that most helpful advice.

I have never built a Steel mill but so far I have been working on this project for three years and only in the last three months have been seriously thinking about the Blast furnace. I have built up an enormous amount of literature in that time including all the books from Morning Sun, I like to try and do as much research as possible myself first, then when I get stuck on something I have to call in the experts which is not yet I hope! I'm laughing. I don't like to annoy people or use them to get what I want it's just not the Aussie way of doing things we like to battle along and enjoy the ride but you can be sure if I do get stuck I will be asking questions in the mean time I am trying to finish the highline section for tomorrows running session and of course clean up the room where I have been working.

Thanks again Alan and everyone.

Roo.

100mm = 10cm

High 87cm from railhead

Length 110cm

Width 47cm

These measurements are not set in stone and there are many other lengths, widths, heights, I haven't mentioned also don't forget there is a large blower house and other cylinders pipes etc involved. These measurements and plan are only for the blast furnace which includes the pouring floor. Please read what I said about 12 messages back about how this is a freelance project to suit our needs on the Yulan Valley Railroad.

If anyone is really honest about building a blast furnace similar to this you can email me offline and I will sent you the PDF files in an email to you I can't help you much more than that at the moment and if you do receive the files I will expect you to use them for your own use only and not to print them in any journal or forum I am hoping anyone will honour that if they don't I can't do much about it as they are not copyright I hope you will do the right thing. Thanks Roo.

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Steel mill Update.

I have just had one small part of my family who live in England living with us for the last three weeks included in the group was two mischievous young boys so yes you guessed it nothing was done in that time.

Before the family arrived four large sheets of styrene 2 of 2mm and 2 of 3mm 2400X1200 were delivered and I proceeded to cut them up to the sizes I wanted for the pouring floor walls the blast furnace walls and the blower house that is as far as I have got at the moment. If the weather remains cool (unusual for this time of the year!) over the next couple of weeks I have a walk planned for down south along the coast between Walpole and Denmark in West Australia look it up if your interested, that will take me away from home for maybe 10 days or more depending on how hot it gets and how far I want to go so if that happens modelling will come to a standstill I repeat this will only happen if the weather stays cool no fun walking in sand hills and low scrub with limited shade in high DSC07258  temperatures, one thing you can be sure of I won't let this "last great project" slip away it will get done. I will keep you informed on the progress. Roo. Photo: No people, no houses, only snakes and kangaroos the way I like it!

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Max.  Sorry didn't get back to you see above the first paragraph.

"Did that lamp turn up"? YES!! it did!! and a great job you made of it thank you very much now all I have to do is make another dozen or so and the layout will have some working lights for the first time ever. Margaret and myself are slowly getting the house back the way it was before the visitors, the train room was a storage facility for the last three weeks (under the layout) almost there maybe another day and we can relax a bit. I'm tired I want to go to bed but the neighbours are having a party and we are invited it's either go and have a few beers or stay home and put up with the noise. I'll go. Roo.

Thanks Simon It was sweltering today in the garage 39deg or 101deg, I think I got that right, it was hot anyway looks like a long, late, hot, summer for Perth.

I was only working out there because I wanted to make up three brass (easy to bend) brackets to hold the sign on the roof. At least when I paint everything  they will be dry in an hour! Here is a new photo of the Wharf at waterside.Nev.

 

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Thanks Tom.

I have been keeping up with your articles and find them very interesting well done mate!

The Blast Furnace building is missing at the moment It's sitting on the bench I have actually made a start on the Blast Furnace, for how long I don't know I have not been well lately and it's a struggle to get things done, I just can't settle down on any one project and I have lots of them anyway at least a start is better than a stop so I will keep going and try not to look back you can't change the past but you can the present. The photo shows the space left where the Blast furnace goes it also shows some of the specialised rolling stock that is needed for a Steel Mill. Roo.

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Hi Everybody.

This Friday we are having our weekly operating day if you can make it your welcome.

If your thinking of dropping in here are the Steel Mill train orders read carefully across the top line to see what goes where and when. I admit we don't always use American terminology sometimes a few English/Australian words creep in.

I am going to change the Highline approach tracks and replace a turnout with a double slip to give more flexibility to the Highline traffic this will probably not happen for about a month but it will happen.

The Blast furnace is still moving along slowly I have modified the building itself and added a few windows the actual barrel part of the furnace I have come up with an idea how to build it but not saying anything more about it till I see if it will work so far I have not seen anyone use this method having said that there are probably lots of O scale mills builders that have used the method of building that I am going to try so no bragging. I hope that modellers gain something from my methods of building as I am just an average modeller with no real skills just an eye for what I want and a passion to do it so if I can build something anyone can I don't include a lot of detail in my models maybe I'm lazy but the truth is I don't like spending endless hours on building, I'm more an operator than a modeller I just like switching trains always have since I was 5 years old when I first had blocks of wood with "Nugget" shoe polish tins for wheels and pushing them into sidings marked in the dirt of course living almost next to a railway Station watching the trains switch cars helped, see you on Friday be there or be square. Roo.

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Here is the double slip sitting on top of the original tracks which when in place any of the curved yard tracks in the background will be able to serve any of the highline tracks. The weed covered track on the left will become a useful storage track. AAAHH, hingsight is a wonderful thing! Roo. (disregard everything else in the photo we were planning!)

 

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OK we start at 10-00 AM seing you haven't run a train before on the yulan valley I will work with you you can have a locomotive and be the engineer I will be the switchman. We will be working the yard at Bay Ridge together at times you are flat out then comes periods of inaction where you can check out what the other blokes are doing but don't distract them from their jobs. To put you into the picture here are three pictures I just snapped to study, so you will be right for Friday. The first is the engine house, the second is the yard, and the third is the yard panel. the push buttons work the turnouts the switches the isolating sections as it's all DC. Any Questions?

 Roo.

 

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Well... Not much happening here about layouts all the talk seems to be about new and old O scale maybe I should have started with three rail track those Hi Rail blokes seem to enjoy themselves more than us elderly "Serious Rivet Counting" 2 railers! 

So after that if anyone is interested here are a couple of photos I snapped this morning after yesterday's operation session which went very well even had Apple pie and ice cream for lunch dessert!

Those Atlas SW switchers continue to give great service and I like them so Much I bought another two off ebay in the last week since I have been home probably won't be able to afford any food for a couple of weeks but it will be worth it, I will paint them blue modify the cab roofs put some flashing lights on them and they will be hauling all kinds of cars at the Mill soon. My work is not all Steel Mill work I still work on the short line adding details here and there as a break from the heavy stuff. I also bought a new book about Steel mills if the photo on the front cover is anything to go by this book will be a winner Ghost Railroads Vol X.

The photos are from around the Steel mill section which is all in various stages of construction one day it will all come together the important part is it's all working, the scenery is secondary, it brings a lot of joy to the four blokes that run it and that's what it's all about trying to make our life better and being happy we have accomplished that if nothing else. Take care. Roo.

 

 

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Thank you all for the kind comments.

Rob. Centre flows I'm interested. I have a few of those, thought I'd never use them I must find a photo, I will study my books more closely!! Always looking for new traffic.

Pierre. You have already visited the layout in 3D form remember that photo a few years back if I come across it I will post it I'm afraid my photo files are a complete mess! 

Erik. One day I will buy a decent camera!  Your photos are the best I have seen on the forums and I have been around for a long time. Thank You. 

roo.

Here is class leader #1 first of six. The headlights on the rear a little bright going to half them, the light on the top flashes, headlight on front just right, ordered some new LED's for the rear hopefully not as bright. The windows will be blanked off, maybe only one side, and a bloke with the controls in his hands on the front as it's summertime handrails applied. Then the decals,  Republic Steel and Remote control, and a number, are finished waiting. This is a combined effort Bruce Temperley and myself, Bruce is a good friend and operator he does the electronics we are both learning. Roo.

 

 

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Thank You Allan for the kind words. In return I enjoy this forum not just the 2-rail section but all the forums here, These forums are great for O scale in all forms may it continue for many more years. There are no O gauge 3-rail layouts where I live and very few if any USA O Scale 2-rail layouts apart from my own so the forums here fill in for what I am missing out on.

jpv.  The mill is getting bigger everyday! Thanks.

Roo.

Well the gantry is finished now for the crane.

The Rolling Mill building is unique it is made up out of a mixture of wood and styrene the wood keeps the costs down.

Here is a photo of a clown holding the building showing how strong he is!  And here it is back on the layout ready for Friday. One day it will all be painted and detailed.

Roo.

 

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When you decide to build a O Scale Steel mill you better be prepared for some large buildings ! (Ask Dave) 

All mine have to be built on all sides as I can't place them against the wall anywhere so I can't make any flats.

Buy plenty of Styrene, 3mm MDF, wood shapes and wood and styrene glue. Having a lot of patience helps to.

Now to prepare the layout for tomorrows session.

Thanks fellas. Roo.

Marty.

Because my main interest in Model Railroads is operation or just plain switching trains I have chosen to build the main parts of the Mill which for me are more suited for operation and movement, after all ,this whole thing was inspired from the MR article in Nov 1950 I have the mag, when I was looking for ways to stop handling endless cars on and off the layout I found the Steel mill was the way to go. The parts I have chosen to build are Blast Furnace, Foundry and Rolling Mill. I have left out the Slab mill and Open-Hearth furnace and substituted the Foundry to receive scrap and produce slabs maybe I use the word Foundry wrong maybe I should call it an Open-hearth furnace who cares, they are only words I know what I have!

I did write about your castings and service here at the OGR forum don't know if you saw it, I am not the type of person that hands out praise lightly, but you deserved it they are good. I know you are a busy man please try and do more items soon I will buy them.   

Roo.

Roo yes I saw the post and I do appreciate your comments as we do try to ship quickly and always pack the item as one customer stated for Armageddon. We are trying to make details that are needed for O Scale that no one else has. trust me as we are building a layout that will feature a large steel complex as well as a large coal mine there are many items that will be needed for both of these. we are also working on details for engine houses, gas stations( already have eco meter and old style electric welder and a lighted gas pump) 3 sizes of propane bottles, and much more. we have also taken on the complete line of Arttista figures with all items in stock, and Monday will be placing our order for Micro-enginering  track. We also handle everything that Walther's carries and can combine orders on all the above.

So bear with us as we have BIG plans for 2017 but we need to get caught up from the O scale show in Chicago and the preparation for the Strasburg show. After that watch for many further items that should interest you and many others. Again thanks for the complements we do appreciate them greatly.

I built a stairway today. Then I ran out of angle strips and had to stop keep my fingers crossed someone in Perth will have the strips otherwise it's all stop and no go. One day I might be able to afford to place a large order from the US for Evergreen shapes just one of the hassles of scratch building on a budget, stopping and starting. Be nice to have one of those large stands full of strips that the hobby shops have. I'll get there. Roo.

 

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Thank you for the kind remarks they help me a lot.

Due to the enormity of this project (for me anyway) I have decided not to post anymore photos or reports on the forum at the present time. I am not upset with anybody I am just trying to lessen the load so to speak the less distractions the better. What I am disappointed in is that I sent a number of emails to certain gentlemen on the internet (No one here) about plans and information and made it clear I was prepared to pay for any costs involved with no questions asked and never received one reply not even to say we don't do that anymore, nothing. So I decided to go alone and design my own blast furnace I scoured the internet and bought up virtually every book I could lay my hands on about modelling the steel industry including long out of print Dean Freytag's books, all the Morning sun books the Ghost rail books anything and everything I could lay my hands on copied photos from the internet filed them neatly in folders had my good friend draw up some basic CAD drawings and started, I am about half way there with a "Made in Australia" American blast furnace.

When the Furnace is finished I estimate it will have costs me at least $2500 probably more, without my labour costs. I have bought endless Evergreen/Plastruct packets and of course I would not mentioned how much the above books have cost and the shipping. Do I regret starting this project? NO I don't, I have found it to be one of my best modelling projects ever and I enjoy every minute of it even when I dropped the superstructure off the furnace onto the floor six feet down onto a concrete floor and destroyed it, I just sat down stunned for an hour and started again this time more carefully.

Keep in mind I don't have the Skills and resources that Dave and Alan but they had to start somewhere once to I just started late! I'm just a average modeller who won't give up easily.

That's all I have to say one day you will see the results.

Thanks.

Roo.

Roo i for one can hardly wait to see the finished mill. I think you are too hard on yourself when it comes to the quality of your modeling skills. I always look forward to see what you have done and the tips you have passed on in here and at OST over the years. Just keep plugging along and you will have something that many just dream about.

also if there is anything we can help you with we have 2 members in our club that have years of working in steel mills in youngstown ohio. there is a video of their workmanship posted on you tube under youngstown nodel railraod association steel mill job. they have been invaluable in what we are bringing to market.

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Thank you for the kind remarks they help me a lot.

Due to the enormity of this project (for me anyway) I have decided not to post anymore photos or reports on the forum at the present time. I am not upset with anybody I am just trying to lessen the load so to speak the less distractions the better. What I am disappointed in is that I sent a number of emails to certain gentlemen on the internet (No one here) about plans and information and made it clear I was prepared to pay for any costs involved with no questions asked and never received one reply not even to say we don't do that anymore, nothing. So I decided to go alone and design my own blast furnace I scoured the internet and bought up virtually every book I could lay my hands on about modelling the steel industry including long out of print Dean Freytag's books, all the Morning sun books the Ghost rail books anything and everything I could lay my hands on copied photos from the internet filed them neatly in folders had my good friend draw up some basic CAD drawings and started, I am about half way there with a "Made in Australia" American blast furnace.

When the Furnace is finished I estimate it will have costs me at least $2500 probably more, without my labour costs. I have bought endless Evergreen/Plastruct packets and of course I would not mentioned how much the above books have cost and the shipping. Do I regret starting this project? NO I don't, I have found it to be one of my best modelling projects ever and I enjoy every minute of it even when I dropped the superstructure off the furnace onto the floor six feet down onto a concrete floor and destroyed it, I just sat down stunned for an hour and started again this time more carefully.

Keep in mind I don't have the Skills and resources that Dave and Alan but they had to start somewhere once to I just started late! I'm just a average modeller who won't give up easily.

That's all I have to say one day you will see the results.

Thanks.

Roo.

Roo,

I will see if I can find the diagram I used for my blast furnace.  It had diameters at certain elevations.  My furnace body is the second one I built so I know all about frustration.  I also dropped the catwalk structure for my hoist too.....

Your facility is turning out much nicer than mine.  I would be happy to share any techniques and materials that I used.

Keep on keepin' on!!!!!

Dave

Roo:

I think when you get done with the steel mill it is going to be as large as my entire layout! You are an excellent scratch builder - keep it up.

With respect to your comment about obtaining plastic in Australia, I have some customers there and in New Zealand who have expressed the same thoughts. I asked one of my suppliers why they don't supply plastic in Australia, the basic answer was shipping and customs fees made it extremely difficult to be cost effective. Best thought I can give is to collect all your railroading buddies and see if you all can combine for one big order. If the order is big enough you can always ask for a discount.

Good Luck

Joe

Just a quick update to says thanks to everyone you are all good blokes. 

And a photo. Skip machinery house, (working out the sizing was a nightmare no drawings) a couple of small maintenance cranes, the stairs and framework sitting in the HOT West Australian sun not all those parts are painted properly just the areas I can't get to after they are assembled.

I don't call in much at the moment so any questions maybe would be better later.

Thanks again. Roo.

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Just a quick update on the Steel mill.

Just finishing off a small crane for the highline, the furnace is going real well and another box of ingot moulds arrived on the stage coach just this morning from Marty everything is starting to fall into place, I'm happy with my modelling, disappointed with some comments about me on another forum but that's life can't please everyone I won't play their silly game. I'm still here at OGR. Thanks for looking. Roo.

 

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I'm happy with my modelling, disappointed with some comments about me on another forum but that's life can't please everyone I won't play their silly game. I'm still here at OGR. Thanks for looking. Roo.

 

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Roo, I think your modeling is dynamite(just don't get that too close to the blast furnace). I don't know how anyone can criticize what all here have said is fantastic looking in our eyes, let alone anything else you have taken the time to make. If they persist on being a banana head, you could always block them(or don't and not give them that satisfaction they want). Keep up the great work, we all love it. Can't wait to see more.

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..... disappointed with some comments about me on another forum but that's life can't please everyone I won't play their silly game. I'm still here at OGR. Thanks for looking. Roo.

 

 There is a guy who makes rude comments to me on another forum. The first forum he started on, kicked him off. The next one, closed or sold and changed format, he isn't allowed on another forum, so finally he followed me here. He starts off asking questions, and then uses any info against me or MTH he gets.

He even donated money to a forum to help him look better. So they edited his posts for him. He just is not smart enough on his own.

 I can't believe guys like that are out there. I guess no one ever beat the snot out of him yet? Maybe they did and he lost (rare) brain cells?

 You can only push someone so far. Everyone has their line that shouldn't be crossed. But life is not worth the hastle of confronting every idiot. As much as I can, I turn the other cheek. I can't tell you how many idiots are ready to fight about stupid stuff. If you are happy, it draws them out, as they are not.

That stinks ENGINEER-JOE, and you are probably right about the brain cells. It is unfortunate that some people can't differentiate between constructive criticism, opinions, and downright rudeness. As many great elders have said(whether mom, dad, grandparents, etc.), "if you don't have nothing nice to say, don't say anything."

Everyone has probably met one of these types, and it is annoying when they just won't keep their heckling(or whatever you want to call it) to themselves. Never let them deter you from what you want to accomplish.

I just wish I had the modeling skills to do these things(time would be nice too). Maybe one day I'll get there and be able to post some nice things like this that I would build on my own from scratch.

# ROO  #.... Marvelous work sir. Amazinng, and I cannot get over the work on the steel mill... You inspire so many.... I only wish I could help you with shipping from the United States..... I get lots of parts, it's you skill that I dearly am at a loss.. lol

Thanks again sir! YOU are Appreciated. 

An update on the furnace.

Nothing is finished (I wish it was!) lots more to come, been tied up for a couple of days renovating Old Weaver hoppers I found on that other place needed these hoppers for the mill as during all this turmoil I still try to have a run session every week.

I hate myself for saying this, please don't ask me any questions yet, one day I will answer everything about this project but at the moment I am a bit stressed out with a touch of the flu, still working but slowly, your a good bunch of blokes here, which is why I think you deserve an update every so often.

I have no intentions of detailing this model like Mr Freytag did, but I have both his books and lots of ideas still coming. next time you will see all the ovens, cyclone, scrubber, and gas cooler (they are all made) connected up along with the elevator and stairways etc etc etc........

This morning was great, at last the crane grab arrived from Germany, so I can actually finish something!

You know what the initials for West Australia are, WA....Wait Awhile.

Thank you. Roo

 

 

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www.ogaugerr.com

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