Sunset 3rd rail GP7/9s

Hi again,

Thanks for the info re: forward on the PRR GP9's.  The "F" is on the long hood but the electronics has it backwards.  A quick fix!

Another question:  How do you remove the hatch to get to the switches?

Thanks,

Ed

@Ed Kelly posted:

Hi again,

Thanks for the info re: forward on the PRR GP9's.  The "F" is on the long hood but the electronics has it backwards.  A quick fix!

Another question:  How do you remove the hatch to get to the switches?

Thanks,

Ed

Just pull it off. It's held in place by magnets. But be careful to pull off one end only, the other end fits into slots.

The SD model.

Thanks, Mike CT.  A picture is worth a thousand words.

Ed

@marty track posted:

Thanks once again to Scott for knocking it out of the ballpark

Just to be sure, are those stripes white or silver?

White

Be sure to view Jerry Davis' video - a quartet of Santa Fe locomotives, excellent string of 1950's era freight cars and very nicely  done California-type scenery.  Well done !!  This is why we are O -Scalers !!

mark_s: Thanks for the kind words. If you or anyone wants to see more, here are some links to other videos:

SP Extra 5472 at Walong

Meet at Walong

Layout Tour Part 1

Layout Tour Part 2

Layout Tour Part 3

Visitors from the East

Enjoy!

@Jerry Davis posted:

mark_s: Thanks for the kind words. If you or anyone wants to see more, here are some links to other videos:

SP Extra 5472 at Walong

Meet at Walong

Layout Tour Part 1

Layout Tour Part 2

Layout Tour Part 3

Visitors from the East

Enjoy!

Took me three seconds to subscribe after watching the first video. Thanks for sharing!

Thanks for the picture Mike CT. I need that to be sure to open My L&N GP7 correctly. Now I feel comfortable so I can program.

@ArthurL posted:

Just pull it off. It's held in place by magnets. But be careful to pull off one end only, the other end fits into slots.

Rear panel snaps in. DO NOT try to pull this one out. Push it out from the inside.

Lifting the forward fan panel.

Magnetic panels removed.

Steve

It is nice that the panels are removable! Makes it easy to have so many different configurations.

Jerry Davis,

What a gem of a layout. Like Santiago, I immediately subscribed.

Dave

L & N,

Thanks very much.  These pix are worth more than 1000 words.

Ed

Hello all, is there a track plan for the Jerry Davis layout?

Scott5011: The best track plan is in an article about the layout in the 2015 edition of Great Model Railroads (Kalmbach). The only thing I have here is a CAD drawing which does not reproduce very well.

@L & N posted:

Rear panel snaps in. DO NOT try to pull this one out. Push it out from the inside.

Lifting the forward fan panel.

Magnetic panels removed.

Steve

Curious to know which railroad line this Geep is for.

@L & N posted:

Steve

@breezinup posted:

Curious to know which railroad line this Geep is for.

Based on color only it might be a N&W engine.

Here is a link to a thread with pictures of a N&W engine.

@ArthurL posted:

Anyone order the C&NW Gp7? Would love to see pictures of how it turned out.

Here ae some other Geeps

@Brad Kowal posted:

Wow! What a  beauty! Wish I had  grabbed one. Thanks for sharing.

Boston & Maine #1562 runs perfectly. Outstanding sounds too.

MELGAR

Mine did not run perfectly out of the box. I have six units (2-rail) and they all had the same problem. They would start moving okay most of the time but they would jerk just after coming to a stop. Tweaking the PIDs solved the problem. CV 56.18.1 (Very Low Speed Integral Gain) and CV 56.18.2 (Very Low Speed Differential Gain) were changed to 0. CV 56.1.0 (Very Low Speed Proportional Gain) was left at its original factory value of 60.

I hope this helps if anyone else has units with this problem.

@MELGAR posted:

Boston & Maine #1562 runs perfectly. Outstanding sounds too.

MELGAR

Melgar, that looks fantastic!

One of the more obscure roads - BAR #76. Awesome model, thanks to Scott.

@RoyP posted:

One of the more obscure roads - BAR #76. Awesome model, thanks to Scott.

So Cool !!!  Definitely not your everyday GP paint job.

RoyP,

Don't know much about the roadname but it looks great! Do you have more photos of your layout?

Dave

@Brad Kowal posted:

Here ae some other Geeps

Brad ... did the unpainted unit come with the separately-applied details already installed? Or, did you put them on yourself for the photo?

Thanks, Jim

@luvindemtrains posted:

RoyP,

Don't know much about the roadname but it looks great! Do you have more photos of your layout?

Dave

Thanks Dave,

It's very much a 'work in progress', I do have some more photos , I'll have to dig them out !

Roy

@CNJ Jim posted:

Brad ... did the unpainted unit come with the separately-applied details already installed? Or, did you put them on yourself for the photo?

Thanks, Jim

The unpainted models have all the details applied at the factory.  My 3rd Rail undec GP7s are basically SP GP7s, but without the paint.  Therefore, it appears to be somewhat random as to what details your undec units came with.  Maybe they were just randomly pulled off the "meant to be" production line before heading to the paint booth .

Scott

It appears the handrail stanchion was applied on the "engineer's side".  Maybe Scott will provide a supplement part?     Really nice model. Love the C&NW - used to see them working all the time in Waukegan, Kenosha and Butler Yard.

@mark s posted:

It appears the handrail stanchion was applied on the "engineer's side".  Maybe Scott will provide a supplement part?     Really nice model. Love the C&NW - used to see them working all the time in Waukegan, Kenosha and Butler Yard.

He is, it's in the works.

@CNJ Jim posted:

Brad ... did the unpainted unit come with the separately-applied details already installed? Or, did you put them on yourself for the photo?

Thanks, Jim

This is how it came right out of the box!

@Jerry Davis posted:

Mine did not run perfectly out of the box. I have six units (2-rail) and they all had the same problem. They would start moving okay most of the time but they would jerk just after coming to a stop. Tweaking the PIDs solved the problem. CV 56.18.1 (Very Low Speed Integral Gain) and CV 56.18.2 (Very Low Speed Differential Gain) were changed to 0. CV 56.1.0 (Very Low Speed Proportional Gain) was left at its original factory value of 60.

I hope this helps if anyone else has units with this problem.

Thank you for sharing this information!  My intent will be to replace the decoders with "something I'm afraid to mention" as they might not be a sponsor and I could get banned again.

@Brad Kowal posted:

Thank you for sharing this information!  My intent will be to replace the decoders with "something I'm afraid to mention" as they might not be a sponsor and I could get banned again.

So products can’t be talked about unless they are “sponsors”?  Thats crummy. How are we to learn about different products ? I personally have no interest in decoders - but appreciate the free flow of information.

@TrainBub posted:

So products can’t be talked about unless they are “sponsors”?  Thats crummy. How are we to learn about different products ? I personally have no interest in decoders - but appreciate the free flow of information.

That doesn't sound true. Williams by Bachmann and Bachmann come up in the 3 rail forum and On30 forums all the time and they don't sponsor the forum.

@SGP posted:

That doesn't sound true. Williams by Bachmann and Bachmann come up in the 3 rail forum and On30 forums all the time and they don't sponsor the forum.

Sometimes rules seem not balanced.

I'm curious...  Scott?...anyone?...How many Undec's were delivered in this order?

I'm really surprised at they were offered in the first place...re the aforementioned issue about 'But with what details?'  ("The Devil's in the details!"??)

I see that Undec's are also being listed for SD40-2 reservations.

I applaud the option!  But I'd really like to know how the buying population feels about this.

And how Scott felt about this run's Undec option....Success?...Do it more often?...Never again?...etc.

Seems like it has some potential for growth.   Especially among those pining for their own special flag that, factory painted/lettered, might require years of random re-runs before happening....if ever.  Then, too, there are some VERY talented custom painters/finishers out there...at another premium, of course.  Some might even dare to want to venture into a fantasy scheme...pretty much off the table for a factory job!

And, hey...the buyer would, indeed, get to be the sole arbiter and final approval of the EXACT COLOR!   End of disappointments in that category??

KD

@Brad Kowal posted:

Here ae some other Geeps

Thanks for the undecorated pic. We get to see what pieces are brass. Perhaps other knew .... not I.

@dkdkrd posted:

"And how Scott felt about this run's Undec option....Success?...Do it more often?...Never again?...etc.

Seems like it has some potential for growth.   Especially among those pining for their own special flag that, factory painted/lettered, might require years of random re-runs before happening....if ever.  Then, too, there are some VERY talented custom painters/finishers out there...at another premium, of course.  Some might even dare to want to venture into a fantasy scheme...pretty much off the table for a factory job!

And, hey...the buyer would, indeed, get to be the sole arbiter and final approval of the EXACT COLOR!   End of disappointments in that category??

KD"

Are these actually just bare plastic with the details added? Or are they like the Lionel Pilot Version steam engines where they have some type of protectant clear coat on them that  needs to be stripped off prior to painting?