Sunset 3rd Rail looking to rerun GP 7/9s

Did he mention if they’d be doing any additional paint schemes besides N&W? I’ve got one of their GP9’s in B&O paint and would love a WM GP7.

@ryanexpresstrains posted:

Did he mention if they’d be doing any additional paint schemes besides N&W? I’ve got one of their GP9’s in B&O paint and would love a WM GP7.

They're rerunning all the previous. 3rd Rail has always said if they get enough inquiries they'll do another scheme.

I'd be in for 2-3 WM myself. Maybe @sdmann would be interested to see some Western Maryland buyers in this thread.

I would buy 2 myself if they were in the fireball paint scheme, and I know of at least one more WM modeler who would buy 2-3.

I've been in for a freight black since just after the first run.  Will consider adding a red bird just because they're cool.

I am in for 2 of the CNJ's (any roadnumber but only with yellow stripes). Where do I reserve them!

Ted Nicholas photo, my collection

Walter

I’d love to see a Green Mountain GP9. 1850 & 1849 would be terrific. These have yet to be done in o scale. 804 would be best but that probably requires new tooling for the front end.

A long shot but a GP7 in Aberdeen & Rockfish #205 would be awesome! A 45 mile short line running from Aberdeen NC to Fayetteville NC.

Along with my very biased $0.02, I would ask there be some more GP-7/GP-9 CB&Q offerings in Chinese Red.

Example:

CBQ 251, EB Way Freight, Working Pepperidge Farm Bakery (rrpicturearchives.net)

The current Sunset CB&Q offering is the GP-7 in the "Blackbird" scheme.  I still intend to purchase it along with the CB&Q SD-9, and as a way to remember the time I lived in the Pacific Northwest, the Spokane Portland & Seattle GP-9.   

Photo Credit to Marty Bernard

I’d do delivery era Rock Island Wings and Chinese Red CB&Q.

I`m in for a couple plain old yellow UP Road of the Streamliners GPs.

The ONLY way to get these additional schemes is to RESERVE.    Us telling each other we want them on this forum does not give Scott an indication we want to buy .    It looks like at least 10 WM units are desired.    It looks like a few more would be enough to get the scheme done.

I did ask about some detail changes, and Scott said that does not work to make a small rerun cost effective for him.    I assume paint scheme changes would work.

@Walter Matuch posted:

I am in for 2 of the CNJ's (any roadnumber but only with yellow stripes). Where do I reserve them!

Walter

Walter,

There will be four road numbers for CNJ.  I got all four in the first run.  Here are some photos of one of my two rail ones.  A few details had to be compromised due to it being a mass-produced run such as the CNJ specific marker lamps and lack of a plate for the road number on the cab sill.  Overall, this is a pretty faithful model of the prototype though.

3rd Rail GP7/9 order page

Love those fixed pilots! Heres the 3 rail NH.

One of the QC items to be corrected will be road numbers as well as painting errors on the first run.

Yes, this PRR one has the wrong number as PRR only had 3 in this configuration and Sunset did 4 numbers.  However, I'm happy with the model overall as it ran on the NY&LB and on the PRSL in passenger service.  These photos were shot with my DSLR and show the detail a little better than the cell phone images of one of my CNJ ones.

Side view showing cab detail:

Classic 3/4 views:

Link to the prototype

@prrjim posted:

The ONLY way to get these additional schemes is to RESERVE.    Us telling each other we want them on this forum does not give Scott an indication we want to buy .    It looks like at least 10 WM units are desired.    It looks like a few more would be enough to get the scheme done.

I did ask about some detail changes, and Scott said that does not work to make a small rerun cost effective for him.    I assume paint scheme changes would work.

Tagged Scott in this thread so he would see the interest in the scheme exists. Can't place a reservation on a scheme that isn't listed on the 3rd Rail site, and in the past when I've individually emailed about schemes it doesn't seem to get too far because you're only one voice. Here, we see there's maybe 10 units under discussion already.

@GG1 4877 I assume the handrail issue is being corrected as well?

Totally unrelated to the Sunset model, but I photographed this GMD CN GP7 on display in Toronto this May.  Check out those really interesting trucks.

@Andrew B. posted:

@GG1 4877 I assume the handrail issue is being corrected as well?

Yes.

Interestingly enough, my PRR unit doesn't have a missing handrail which tells me that not all of these units are incorrect.  I didn't post a photo of the opposite side where some are missing the handrail.

Jonathan, that CN Geep has what appears to be Flexicoil trucks. Designed for less than perfect uneven trackwork.

I would be in for a Toronto Hamilton and Buffalo Geep. Anybody else interested? JohnA

GG1 4877 - Jonathan...appreciate your photos of the CNJ first run.

Question...why the F on the short hood end? CNJs were set up as F on long hood end...at least when delivered and in the yellow stripe/JCL Statue of Liberty logo. I have photos of JCL 1522-1524-1525-1526 green/yellow stripes, 1527 blue/yellow CRR-NJ, 1529 solid green CRR-NJ and 1532 JCL green/yellow stripes all showing the F on the long hood end.

Looking at my CNJ diesels photos/slides, it seems that the F moved to the short hood end definitely during Coast Guard  red scheme era and also somewhat during the blue/yellow era and the green CENTRAL RR of NJ logo era.

When CNJ 1532(2nd) returned after rebuild resulting from Newark Bay swim, it still had F on long hood end.

photo my collection, RR Pictures

I just placed confirmed reservation order for 2 CNJs of the 2nd run.

Walter

SD 7/9 from a previous offering.

Atlas had also done the the GP7/9.  My un-decorated model.

@Walter Matuch posted:

GG1 4877 - Jonathan...appreciate your photos of the CNJ first run.

Question...why the F on the short hood end? CNJs were set up as F on long hood end...at least when delivered and in the yellow stripe/JCL Statue of Liberty logo. I have photos of JCL 1522-1524-1525-1526 green/yellow stripes, 1527 blue/yellow CRR-NJ, 1529 solid green CRR-NJ and 1532 JCL green/yellow stripes all showing the F on the long hood end.

I just placed confirmed reservation order for 2 CNJs of the 2nd run.

Walter

Thanks Walter!  I am going to add this to the list of corrections for Run 2.

I will have to redo mine, but the paint is matched off of True Color Sea Foam Green so it shouldn't be too difficult.  I'm looking to also add the number on the plate over the vents and under the cab.  Not sure that is possible on the production run, but again an easy fix with some decals and matching paint.

Jonathan: Scott will have the correct N&W red paint chip. All is left is the correct handrail, a short passenger stack on the short high hood and the number of the loco corrected.

George diSanti

Jonathan/GG1 4877...also correct the font use for the F. 1st run looked more like a metal F size wise. Use a matching font from the JERSEY CENTRAL LINES logo.

What about exhaust shield front/long hood of cab and also exhaust louver covers on roof?

my collection, unknown photographer

Thanks.

Walter

PS: If these corrections can be made, might just order the other 2 CNJ rerun roadnumbers.

@Walter Matuch posted:

Jonathan/GG1 4877...also correct the font use for the F. 1st run looked more like a metal F size wise. Use a matching font from the JERSEY CENTRAL LINES logo.

What about exhaust shield front/long hood of cab and also exhaust louver covers on roof?

my collection, unknown photographer

Thanks.

Walter

PS: If these corrections can be made, might just order the other 2 CNJ rerun roadnumbers.

I caught the font issue on the F after I got mine.  For the exhaust shield and louvers, those were later additions weren't they?

Jonathan...exhaust covers and shield were CNJ add-on. Engine crews were complaining about exhaust fumes into cab so E-port came up with this fix. Was added to all the GP7s.

What CNJ roadnumbers in the first run...2nd run?

Will 2nd run also be green w/yellow stripes?

PHOTO: Walter in a BEEP.

Thanks.

Walter

@Walter Matuch posted:

Jonathan...exhaust covers and shield were CNJ add-on. Engine crews were complaining about exhaust fumes into cab so E-port came up with this fix. Was added to all the GP7s.

What CNJ roadnumbers in the first run...2nd run?

Will 2nd run also be green w/yellow stripes?

Thanks.

Walter

Typically second runs don't get detail changes.  As mentioned in this thread, some of the locomotives got manufactured with a the first handrail behind the cab missing and that will be corrected.  While I don't speak for the factory or for Sunset on this issue, I just know that with the lower production numbers on a second run detail changes can lead to other errors. 

However, painting is pretty straight forward.  The 2nd run will be the as-delivered Sea Foam Green with the yellow stripes and not the later Austerity Green / no stripes.  I have to pull mine out of the box to get all four numbers, but I know one is 1529.  I'll post the other three sometime this weekend.

@ryanexpresstrains posted:

Did he mention if they’d be doing any additional paint schemes besides N&W? I’ve got one of their GP9’s in B&O paint and would love a WM GP7.

I would purchase WM GP7's done in fireball.

@David Eisinger posted:

I would purchase WM GP7's done in fireball.

Same! And I know another O scaler who would buy 2-3 in fireball. I don’t think he’d have any trouble selling 10+.

Well if you want WM fireball, have all 10 of  you contact Scott/Sunset and ask him to do them.  

@prrjim posted:

Well if you want WM fireball, have all 10 of  you contact Scott/Sunset and ask him to do them. 

The last time I spoke with Scott on numbers there was a 20-piece minimum on engines. If all 10 buy 2 you all can get your wish. =)

I am considering reserving one. Anyone know how long the reservation period is? I couldn't find it on the website.

the website will put up an announcement that "reservations are closed".     Usually about the time they schedule the build since that is based on the numbers.    So you could look at the projected delivery date and back off 3-4 months to make a guess.

When reservations are closed,  you can still put in a "standbye reservation".    If someone cancels,  you might luck out.   I have been very successful once with standbye, and not so much the second time.    So it is a risky way to reserve.

I ended up with the standbye process because of my personal budget situations changing.

See Scott's post here for an update on when he anticipates doing this second run.  As with everything in this day and age, it is a best guess estimate. 

Jonathan...any update on the 4 new roadnumbers for 2nd run of CNJ GP7s?

Thanks.

Walter

@Walter Matuch posted:

Jonathan...any update on the 4 new roadnumbers for 2nd run of CNJ GP7s?

Thanks.

Walter

Walter - the numbers will be the same as the first run and I unfortunately need to dig mine out of the closet they are currently in.  Being 2 rail which I don't have a layout for currently they are at the bottom.  Luckily it is a long weekend and I don't have an immediate family member with a birthday for the first time in the last two weekends to get to them. 

@GG1 4877 posted:

Interestingly enough, my PRR unit doesn't have a missing handrail which tells me that not all of these units are incorrect.  I didn't post a photo of the opposite side where some are missing the handrail.

Will the road names that ran long hood forward be set up that way? I recall From the 1st run all units were configured short hood forward.

@prrjim and @GG1 4877Thank you for the information.