@catnap posted:There is nothing unique to a W&LE SD40-2. The 50+ they have were acquired from other rr’s on Scott’s list with little changes to them other than the aforementioned horns and ditch lights.
A few are SD45 or SD40 rebuilds. Don't want those either obviously.
The rebuilt SD40’s are designated as “-3’s”. Atlas was supposed to make a run in 2017 but ultimately canceled the project.
Most of the SD40-2’s were conceived as -2’s.
@catnap posted:The rebuilt SD40’s are designated as “-3’s”. Atlas was supposed to make a run in 2017 but ultimately canceled the project.
Most of the SD40-2’s were conceived as -2’s.
I think only the ones they rebuilt are SD40-3. If they were rebuilt elsewhere they are still referred to as SD40-2, former PRR 6042/6075/6103 (current WE 6985/6986/6987) are examples.
Do we know which MoPac SD40-2 they will do? With or with dynamic brakes? With or without the Screaming Eagle on the side?
@Texas Eagle 77 posted:Do we know which MoPac SD40-2 they will do? With or with dynamic brakes? With or without the Screaming Eagle on the side?
One would think that Scott will produce which ever versions that buyers order the most of, or maybe even enough orders for more than one version.
@Hot Water posted:One would think that Scott will produce which ever versions that buyers order the most of, or maybe even enough orders for more than one version.
I’m game for either !!! I don’t care !!! I’ve two reserved so one of each would be over the moon as far as the lettering/decals are concerned. Hopefully -finally something in “Jenks Blue” from 3rd rail !!!! Perhaps this can be the “wake up” for this late paint job with MP fans. I’ve been pushing for a Jenks paint job with a 3rd Rail E6 run 2 also !!!!
@Hot Water posted:One would think that Scott will produce which ever versions that buyers order the most of, or maybe even enough orders for more than one version.
There is no version you can pick other than MoPac which is why I asked the question.
@Texas Eagle 77 posted:There is no version you can pick other than MoPac which is why I asked the question.
Scott is usually open to hearing from customers on what paint schemes would be the most popular.
@Texas Eagle 77 posted:Do we know which MoPac SD40-2 they will do? With or with dynamic brakes? With or without the Screaming Eagle on the side?
So,,,,,,,,those are all different versions, correct? With or without dynamic brake are "2 versions", then there would be the with or without the Screaming Eagle would be another "2 versions". So,,,,,,,as I stated earlier, Scott will pretty much produce whichever "versions" of MoPac SD40-2 units folks order the most of, or maybe even more than one "version"?
All of the pics on the Sunset web sites have dynamic brakes, so I assumed the MoPac units offered would also have DB. While I'd be thrilled with a mix of both DB & non-DB versions, I'm OK if my reservations are DB "SD40-2c" are from the last batch of 54 from 1979-80 (MP #6020-6073). This group matches the photo of MP 6046 on Sunset's webpage. #6071 was the last surviving blue SD40-2, so that one might be significant to produce.
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mp/mp6048u18.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mp/mp6028cmr.jpg
http://trainweb.org/screaminge.../other/mp6045784.jpg
For contrast, here's an early Mopac version of 20 DB units made in 1976 (#3216-3235, renumbered in May, 1978 to #6000-6019). These had both standard cab lights between the number boards and lights on the short hood (like DRGW SD40T-2s). They also had rotary beacons on the cab roof and early EMD-style squared numbers on the number boards.
@Tim Mc posted:All of the pics on the Sunset web sites have dynamic brakes, so I assumed the MoPac units offered would also have DB. While I'd be thrilled with a mix of both DB & non-DB versions, I'm OK if my reservations are DB "SD40-2c" are from the last batch of 54 from 1979-80 (MP #6020-6073). This group matches the photo of MP 6046 on Sunset's webpage. #6071 was the last surviving blue SD40-2, so that one might be significant to produce.
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mp/mp6048u18.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mp/mp6028cmr.jpg
http://trainweb.org/screaminge.../other/mp6045784.jpg
For contrast, here's an early Mopac version of 20 DB units made in 1976 (#3216-3235, renumbered in May, 1978 to #6000-6019). These had both standard cab lights between the number boards and lights on the short hood (like DRGW SD40T-2s). They also had rotary beacons on the cab roof and early EMD-style squared numbers on the number boards.
Wow. It’s Great to see this interest in the MP model. I hope these MP fans are stepping up with reservations for at least a couple of models each !!!!! Scott couldn’t even reach a modest minimum for MP in the GP offering. It was one of only a Very few roads that didn’t make the cut. Let’s make sure that doesn’t happen here !!!!
@Tim Mc posted:All of the pics on the Sunset web sites have dynamic brakes, so I assumed the MoPac units offered would also have DB. While I'd be thrilled with a mix of both DB & non-DB versions, I'm OK if my reservations are DB "SD40-2c" are from the last batch of 54 from 1979-80 (MP #6020-6073). This group matches the photo of MP 6046 on Sunset's webpage. #6071 was the last surviving blue SD40-2, so that one might be significant to produce.
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mp/mp6048u18.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/mp/mp6028cmr.jpg
http://trainweb.org/screaminge.../other/mp6045784.jpg
For contrast, here's an early Mopac version of 20 DB units made in 1976 (#3216-3235, renumbered in May, 1978 to #6000-6019). These had both standard cab lights between the number boards and lights on the short hood (like DRGW SD40T-2s). They also had rotary beacons on the cab roof and early EMD-style squared numbers on the number boards.
The link to MP and DRG side by side is pretty cool. If my memory serves me correctly, I remember seeing pix of MP Units hauling coal out of the Colorado mountains and DRG units heading into Kansas City. Not what one usually expects to see but ......
@Hot Water posted:One would think that Scott will produce which ever versions that buyers order the most of, or maybe even enough orders for more than one version.
@Hot Water posted:So,,,,,,,,those are all different versions, correct? With or without dynamic brake are "2 versions", then there would be the with or without the Screaming Eagle would be another "2 versions". So,,,,,,,as I stated earlier, Scott will pretty much produce whichever "versions" of MoPac SD40-2 units folks order the most of, or maybe even more than one "version"?
Yes, there are different MoPac SD40-2 versions that COULD be made. However, what you fail to recognize is that there is no way on the reservation page to order a specific version let alone multiple versions. The reservation page ONLY permits a choice of ROAD NAME. It is possible to specify in the "Notes: Special Instructions" section of the reservation form what version (or versions) someone is most interested in purchasing but that is not the same as ordering a specific version or multiple versions.
@GregM posted:Yes, there are different MoPac SD40-2 versions that COULD be made. However, what you fail to recognize is that there is no way on the reservation page to order a specific version let alone multiple versions. The reservation page ONLY permits a choice of ROAD NAME. It is possible to specify in the "Notes: Special Instructions" section of the reservation form what version (or versions) someone is most interested in purchasing but that is not the same as ordering a specific version or multiple versions.
Email Scott your preferences !!!!
They say that works Best !!!
I have found Scott to be very open to dialogue about versions, paint schemes, etc. He really does answer emails! He's running a business, so he doesn't always do what I wish... OTOH, he did agree to two different BAR paint schemes in the SD7/9 program, for which I am seriously grateful...
@HiramO posted:I have found Scott to be very open to dialogue about versions, paint schemes, etc. He really does answer emails! He's running a business, so he doesn't always do what I wish... OTOH, he did agree to two different BAR paint schemes in the SD7/9 program, for which I am seriously grateful...
For getting the two versions produced - you were lucky in that there was sufficient numbers of you that wanted both of these models.
Yes, Scott does answer emails! Personally I'd love a mix of DB and non-DB in the late scheme, but thrilled that MoPac is considered at all. I figured the DB versions may have a better chance at production since most roads had dynamic brakes.
MoPac had 176 non-DB SD40-2s versus 54 w/DB, so maybe others are voicing their preferences. Non-DB would open up for the early buzzsaw version and cool variations like the "double eagle" that had both the large "turbocharged" eagle on the long hood and the late eagle & sawblade cab logo like MP 3092 (which I modeled in N-scale):
MP 3092 prototype photo:
http://trainweb.org/screaminge...el/MP2296/MP3092.jpg
As TrainBub said, I also like the MP units with DRG. While MP bought most of the "SD40-2c" to lash up with BN and DRGW units out west at PRB, they could be found on a variety of trains a few years later. The MoPac designation of "c" = coal, or units w/DB made to BN specs. I HAD to get a DRGW SD40T-2 for my N-scale layout just to run with my MP SD40-2s because it gave me an excuse to by an cool SD40T-2. Hmmm, maybe I should reserve a Rio Grande tunnel motor too for a Pueblo-STL coal drag?
Some more photos of my N-scale MoPac SD40-2s. I thought I'd post them as examples should any MP modelers need suggestions for Sunset. 
Wha?? (My daughter's name is Kate - had to paint one)
Did I mention that SD40-2s are my favorite? Have a good weekend everyone!
@Tim Mc posted:Yes, Scott does answer emails! Personally I'd love a mix of DB and non-DB in the late scheme, but thrilled that MoPac is considered at all. I figured the DB versions may have a better chance at production since most roads had dynamic brakes.
MoPac had 176 non-DB SD40-2s versus 54 w/DB, so maybe others are voicing their preferences. Non-DB would open up for the early buzzsaw version and cool variations like the "double eagle" that had both the large "turbocharged" eagle on the long hood and the late eagle & sawblade cab logo like MP 3092 (which I modeled in N-scale):
MP 3092 prototype photo:
http://trainweb.org/screaminge...el/MP2296/MP3092.jpg
As TrainBub said, I also like the MP units with DRG. While MP bought most of the "SD40-2c" to lash up with BN and DRGW units out west at PRB, they could be found on a variety of trains a few years later. The MoPac designation of "c" = coal, or units w/DB made to BN specs. I HAD to get a DRGW SD40T-2 for my N-scale layout just to run with my MP SD40-2s because it gave me an excuse to by an cool SD40T-2. Hmmm, maybe I should reserve a Rio Grande tunnel motor too for a Pueblo-STL coal drag?
I also am now debate adding a DRG to my order 😳. As usual - too many “wants” in a run.
@Tim Mc posted:Some more photos of my N-scale MoPac SD40-2s. I thought I'd post them as examples should any MP modelers need suggestions for Sunset.
Wha?? (My daughter's name is Kate - had to paint one)
Did I mention that SD40-2s are my favorite? Have a good weekend everyone!
MKT was offered but dropped. I was disappointed but it actually made my life more simple by eliminating one of too many choices. 😬
@TrainBub posted:MKT was offered but dropped. I was disappointed but it actually made my life more simple by eliminating one of too many choices. 😬
When did they drop MKT? You can still choose MKT on the reservation form.
@Texas Eagle 77 posted:When did they drop MKT? You can still choose MKT on the reservation form.
Interesting - oversight ? Main page says canceled and picture is removed.
Ah, I see it now. That is disappointing. The Lionel MKT SD40's were way too dark a green and they had ditch lights. The MTH ones are long gone and impossible to find. Hopefully Scott will do a second round with MKT as an option.
I hope they do the non dynamic brake MoPac ones with the screaming eagle on the side. Lionel's blue was slightly too bright. I already have all 4 of the MTH ones with db's.
Just in case there is anyone following this thread but not the one in the 3-rail scale forum regarding these SD40-2 engines, Scott Mann has made a post on that thread that may be of interest.
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