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I agree with John, whatever they did, it sure looks wrong,…..what’s odd is, they have the bandwidth to make those cars correctly, so not sure what they’ve got going on,….until I see one come across my plate, it’s unclear if it’s the wrong trucks, wrong frame, or combination of both,…..hopefully they realize the blunder, and offer a fix, ……otherwise, I will for those unhappy,…..they’re just plain silly looking!…..😬

Pat

Well, I don't want to sound negative, but like some other products that have come out, I'm sure that there probably won't be any fix offered for these like some others. Does it represent the prototype, well, not quite. This is similar to one of the Consolidation models they did a couple of years back. The prototype had the bell in a different spot, and there was some other difference that was also noted(I think a Southern engine). There was no fix in that case. People did state that they should have moved the bell to where it should be.

These, well, it should have been something easy because of it not being something that is difficult to do. It's not a cast in problem, it's not something that would need a big amount of work to make it correctly, so we have what we got. Still scratching my head a bit on this as it just seems simpler than a color problem to me.

This is similar to one of the Consolidation models they did a couple of years back. The prototype had the bell in a different spot, and there was some other difference that was also noted.

Still scratching my head a bit on this as it just seems simpler than a color problem to me.

…simpler than a color match problem, and way, way simpler than moving details around on a die-cast shell!

Does it represent the prototype, well, not quite. This is similar to one of the Consolidation models they did a couple of years back. The prototype had the bell in a different spot, and there was some other difference that was also noted(I think a Southern engine). There was no fix in that case. People did state that they should have moved the bell to where it should be.



The consolidations represented "a" prototype. I believe they are based off of the NYC.

Lionel did a one size fits all for other roads in color and lettering only.

The silly "innie " truck spacing on these passenger cars does not match any prototype.

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The Black River set truck issue aside, I haven’t seen much posted about the new SW1 besides a photo of Mr Muffin’s custom made runs.

I received the B&O version today and am pleased. Works out of the box and is a smooth runner. The color seems close enough as well. A quick test run with the Bluetooth app provided really nice low speed switch performance. As expected the former MTH tooling came out great.

My two minor complaints are: 1. The LEDs used are bright white. A warmer version would have been nicer but not worth opening this little thing up over that. 2. The roof hatch to access controls is difficult to remove. A grab iron and the bell placement makes lifting the panel very tricky. Interestingly enough I’m unable to find a volume dial on the loco. 

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@Alex W posted:

The Black River set truck issue aside, I haven’t seen much posted about the new SW1 besides a photo of Mr Muffin’s custom made runs.

I received the B&O version today and am pleased. Works out of the box and is a smooth runner. The color seems close enough as well. A quick test run with the Bluetooth app provided really nice low speed switch performance. As expected the former MTH tooling came out great.

My two minor complaints are: 1. The LEDs used are bright white. A warmer version would have been nicer but not worth opening this little thing up over that. 2. The roof hatch to access controls is difficult to remove. A grab iron and the bell placement makes lifting the panel very tricky. Interestingly enough I’m unable to find a volume dial on the loco.

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The only way to adjust the volume is through the lion Chief app or legacy

@rplst8 posted:

They have fixed pilots now so thats a plus.

@DaveGG posted:

I agree.  I know it does not hold true, but I always have a feeling smaller engine should cost less...

Maybe if they are the LC series.

Is the level of detail higher than when MTH produced them?

I paid a $150 premium with a dealers early buy offer compared to the street price of the 2021 MTH issue.

I don’t own the MTH model, but based on photos the fixed pilots are the big difference as rplst8 mentions. They feature some separately applied details like coupler bars and arrive with kadee mounting parts. There’s a smoke unit too and it appears Lionel added accent paint around certain items like the headlight lens frames. I don’t think MTH ever did those latter two enchancements. 

I certainly wouldn’t have paid list or a purchase price starting with a 5 for this. But for a small, well detailed switcher I’m pleased.

@Greg Houser I agree that a PRR model would have been preferable. By the way, recognize some of that Atlas track? It cleaned up well!

@Alex W posted:


I don’t own the MTH model, but based on photos the fixed pilots are the big difference as rplst8 mentions. They feature some separately applied details like coupler bars and arrive with kadee mounting parts. There’s a smoke unit too and it appears Lionel added accent paint around certain items like the headlight lens frames. I don’t think MTH ever did those latter two enchancements.

I certainly wouldn’t have paid list or a purchase price starting with a 5 for this. But for a small, well detailed switcher I’m pleased.

If it's of any value. The last few years Lionel has geared down their switchers so low.  There is no other brand that can come close to the realistic slow speed. Which of course is ideal for a switcher.

@Alex W posted:

I paid a $150 premium with a dealers early buy offer compared to the street price of the 2021 MTH issue.

I don’t own the MTH model, but based on photos the fixed pilots are the big difference as rplst8 mentions. They feature some separately applied details like coupler bars and arrive with kadee mounting parts. There’s a smoke unit too and it appears Lionel added accent paint around certain items like the headlight lens frames. I don’t think MTH ever did those latter two enchancements.

I certainly wouldn’t have paid list or a purchase price starting with a 5 for this. But for a small, well detailed switcher I’m pleased.

@Greg Houser I agree that a PRR model would have been preferable. By the way, recognize some of that Atlas track? It cleaned up well!

@Alex W Wow! It did clean up well! I'm glad to see trains up and running.

-Greg

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