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Extrapolating my experience, the EDTCA has sent a survey to York Table Holders and Dealers around the duration and days they would prefer to see York in the future. Unfortunately, I find the survey, it's format, and options, to be not very well thought out and poorly executed or even reviewed by an editor.

EDIT: If you are not a table holder or a dealer, then there is nothing for you to expect.

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Unfortunately I'd have to agree.  While I think I know what they want, the combinations of the different categories probably should not have been prefaced with the general "only answer yes to one question" opening paragraph.  (I may be mistaken myself, but I suspect they want one answer per category so as to be able to count up the most popular options among the options within each category.  Maybe it's a "first wave" and depending on what happens with those responses, it may reduce to a much smaller subset of options for a "second wave" survey to be conducted based on the original responses)

If they only truly wanted one answer for the whole list of options, they should not have categorized them.

This is all just my attempt at interpreting (I have no actual insight into the thought process that went into the survey).  Hopefully they update the request with some clarification.

-Dave

Yeah, This isn’t a single YES everything else NO Affair. Instead, they should be asking for an ordered preference. The instructions are unclear as to the desire for one YES per category, or one YES per ballot. In addition, option 2A appears twice as two different options.

I like that they are seeking input, but the method used here does not appear to be polished.

bmoran4 posted:
Jameszz posted:

Did I miss something in the Quarterly about this? I just searched the TCA and EDTCA websites and can't find anything related to a survey? 

As stated in the post subject, Table holders and Dealers were emailed the survey discussed. It is not for all TCA or EDTCA members.

I understand that. My concern is that ALL members were not notified of a survey that was being conducted. Unless of course as stated above, I missed something. 

Jameszz posted:

My concern is that ALL members were not notified of a survey that was being conducted. Unless of course as stated above, I missed something. 

The York Meet is a TCA Eastern Division event, not a TCA National event (although participation is certainly national and even international in scope). If the Eastern Div. wishes to survey the dealers/sellers who attend the event, that makes good and perfectly logical sense because the logistics of the meet are determined by the dealers/sellers who participate (number of halls needed, security and vendor arrangements, etc.). I have not seen the survey, which in our case would likely go to Alan Arnold, the Publisher/CEO of our little team, but I am certainly supportive of the Eastern Division's efforts to at least explore alternatives that may best serve their interests going forward.

While I've long known and understood that York is an ED event, and thus is "their business", it's gotten to where York is the tail that wags the TCA dog.  Although I hate hearing it, how many people claim to be a TCA member only so they can attend York?  Due to the importance of York to TCA, I think it would be advisable for ED to consider opinions from members who are outside the division.

For all we know, this may be a multi step process.

You probably can't ask all options of everyone at one time and expect to come out with a clear winning scenario. 

I could easily see this being step one of many.  (Pure conjecture here).  Step 1 may be to find out the most favorable response from table holders/dealers.  Step 2 may be asking non-table holding participants.  Once you have those results, then hold a larger group survey with the options reduced to those that were most favorable from each group.

And, no, this has nothing to do with October 2019!  That is set in stone by now, of course (we are more than halfway through August!).  I assume they would like time to actually receive responses, evaluate, possibly float other surveys to other participants, etc long before any formal decision is made.

-Dave

Allan Miller posted:
Jameszz posted:

My concern is that ALL members were not notified of a survey that was being conducted. Unless of course as stated above, I missed something. 

The York Meet is a TCA Eastern Division event, not a TCA National event (although participation is certainly national and even international in scope). If the Eastern Div. wishes to survey the dealers/sellers who attend the event, that makes good and perfectly logical sense because the logistics of the meet are determined by the dealers/sellers who participate (number of halls needed, security and vendor arrangements, etc.). I have not seen the survey, which in our case would likely go to Alan Arnold, the Publisher/CEO of our little team, but I am certainly supportive of the Eastern Division's efforts to at least explore alternatives that may best serve their interests going forward.

I should have been more clear in my comment. I'm a member of the EDTCA. While I certainly give them credit for getting feedback on the meet it would have been nice to at least been informed of a survey that was being conducted. I'm not a dealer/table holder so I don't expect to be part of the survey, just informed that it was happening. 

As a table holder who still likes to browse a bit, I note the return to 2 day means only one hour (the first of the 2 days) for the member halls to close earlier than the dealer halls.

(Of course, I think it was always the same hours for all halls back when it was 2 days, so I guess this is still better than that).

I'd miss having the hour on each of the 2 days after member halls close to browse the dealers.   Obviously still can't see everything (and the "mega deals" are of course gone by then), but I enjoy trying to make the most of the hour in the dealer halls each day before heading to dinner.

I'm guessing since nothing included this option (unless I read it too quickly), the later hours for dealers on Saturday (coinciding with the public entry that started a few meets back) is deemed not worth keeping that way.  (Which I am sure is true, since some dealers were still packed up and gone by noon or so on Saturday even with the extension of the hours.)

-Dave

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