Anyone have any idea of what we should be expecting from Tangent? I have many of their HO products and quite frankly this could be a HUGE lift in O Scale, including P48.
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Very interesting news. I'd be interested in learning more also!
@Mike DeBerg posted:Anyone have any idea of what we should be expecting from Tangent?
No. 1st I've ever seen that they even have an O scale newsletter or list for the same. Have they ever produced anything in O scale?
Promising.
Yeah, personally I am hoping for his more modern/present day HO releases coming to O as well as their trucks. David's attention to detail is second to none.
I am only aware of the N and HO scale releases, until now...
I am very excited about the prospect of Tangent coming to the O scale market.
I don't model in HO but from what I've seen at the local hobby shop their models are impeccable.
Someone mistakenly posted an HO scale Tangent Hopper as O Scale on Ebay last week. I took a look at it and said to myself " self, to bad they don't make O Scale 2rail products " Well, will have to see what happens.
Keep an eye out for what Lou at CENTRAL LOCOMOTIVE WORKS will be releasing after the 1st of the year. It should be a huge opportunity in new products for 2railers. Thanks Lou for your hard work and dedication to our 2rail hobby.
John
Coeurd Alene, Idaho
@Derailed10o posted:Someone mistakenly posted an HO scale Tangent Hopper as O Scale on Ebay last week. I took a look at it and said to myself " self, to bad they don't make O Scale 2rail products " Well, will have to see what happens.
Keep an eye out for what Lou at CENTRAL LOCOMOTIVE WORKS will be releasing after the 1st of the year. It should be a huge opportunity in new products for 2railers. Thanks Lou for your hard work and dedication to our 2rail hobby.
John
Coeurd Alene, Idaho
John,
yeah, but this actually came from a post directly from Tangent Scale Models. We'll see, like you said.
Also, a great callout RE: CLW and even 3rd Rail/GGD are helping drive up the quality of releases in O Scale.
@Derailed10o posted:Keep an eye out for what Lou at CENTRAL LOCOMOTIVE WORKS will be releasing after the 1st of the year. It should be a huge opportunity in new products for 2railers. Thanks Lou for your hard work and dedication to our 2rail hobby.
And where should be look for that information on CLW and Lou?
I don't know anyone at Tangent. I signed up for there newsletter that gets emailed once a month earlier this morning.
Signed up for their newsletter. Interesting that they're entering the O Scale waters.
I never heard of these guys so I checked out their website. I have to say I like everything I read on it especially that they show prototype photos to prove their models are accurate and they include Kadee couplers with their models “so you don’t have to swap out junk plastic couplers.” I also like how their models are very detailed but also robust so general handling doesn’t break anything. I like that a lot. The only con I could find is if an HO caboose costs $115 how much will an O scale caboose cost? Having said that I would still like to purchase some stuff from them if they do start making O scale models. I signed up for the newsletter.
Phil,
Tangent is a top-notch manufacturer in terms of quality, accuracy, and level of detail. I think it will be interesting to see how Tangent approaches O Scale, and what material changes they might bring to their models to keep the same characteristics you mentioned while keeping the price reasonable.
The only con I could find is if an HO caboose costs $115 how much will an O scale caboose cost?
I've noticed over the years that the prices of high quality HO has risen quite a lot; probably has passed right by routine O. Times might have changes and passed O by again.
keeping the price reasonable.
Might have to define reasonable. Every time I read or hear that from too many, it's just code for cheap. Might be time to re-evaluate pricing and get out the pry bar to open the wallets.
I signed up for the newsletter. I'm one of the curious looking for more info about what models they might make and whether anything might appeal to me. It might be that Tangent is looking to see how much interest exists on planet O scale based on how many sign up for that newsletter. They may want to cast their net wider.
I also signed up for the newsletter. It will be interesting to see what era they choose to make. I don't want cheap models, but I'm not a rivet counter either. If that comes at a cost, it depends what the cost is. I can't justify $200+ for a plastic freight car for every purchase, but I would buy 1 or 2 items to help them since they are helping our hobby.
It seems like everybody assumes Tangent will offer new models to 2-railers. It might be their big announcement is new wheelsets and trucks to upgrade your rolling stock. Although I'd love to see another company make high quality scale models I don't know how they could justify the cost of any new tooling for such a small segment of O scale.
Anyhow, I also subscribed to their newsletter. I'm curious to see what they have in the works. A correct B&O/Chessie System bay window caboose would be a most-welcomed addition to O scale.
@Mike DeBerg I agree Mike.
One thing I really hope they do, and judging from everything I read on their website they will do it, is use trucks that are realistic in nature. What I mean by that is in O scale 2 rail the trucks used on models traditionally have looked like the prototype. Of all the companies that also make 3 rail trains only Weaver had trucks that were made this way where the bolster is on the car body and not on the truck. I have always felt that when Atlas O got back into O in the late '90s they should have developed a truck/bolster system similar to the Weaver. Weaver had an add on Lionel type coupler for 3 rail operations that went between the truck and the body. It gave the car the extra height needed for the 3 rail coupler. Atlas could have done something like that maybe improving on the idea but instead they used a truck that has a bolster built into it which has in my opinion has its roots from the toy train world. Not only was this less realistic but it was sort of proprietary. Yes, you can put Atlas trucks under other manufacturers cars and sometimes they work with little or no effort and sometimes they require more effort. When using the correct truck design like what was always used in 2 rail you can pretty much put any truck under any car. It is pretty much a Standard. This is why whenever I convert a 3 rail car to 2 rail I try to use the that manufacturers trucks because if I don't there might be problems.
@mwb Well, it is happening right here. We have a high end HO caboose costing $115 while a Lionel or Atlas O caboose retails for $90 (approximately). One thing that might help is if Tangent does a car they have already done in HO they won't have to do the research. Maybe that will lower the costs a little? They just have to scale it up. At the point where I am in the hobby I don't need a high number of trains. It would be better to spend more and get a high quality model than spend less for two lower quality models.
I was thinking same thought on Tangent offering trucks or wheels.
Rumor has it that Kadee will be doing O Scale 2rail trucks.
@Derailed10o posted:Rumor has it that Kadee will be doing O Scale 2rail trucks.
I did hear that they had something on display at a recent show (Train Fest?) in O scale.
All great points! Let's hope for the best on what products they offer and at what price point! 
While I'm also in the camp hoping they bring their truck line to 2R and P48 I can't see holding my Christmas wish list for something like that! Just my opinion!
Mike D. Kadee just had samples of there O scale trucks at the great train show last month. no info on time line though. would be great to have.
Yes, their items are a bit pricey for H.O. I paid about $115 each for a couple of brass CNW hoppers; paid almost $300 for a Division Point brass caboose (oh for the days of questionably-detailed "semi-scale"). It seems reasonable to expect that any rolling stock offerings would be pricey, but accurate. I'm interested. They might go for the unusual items, though. Time will tell.
What we need is options in between Atlas O and High end brass (ie Protocraft). Both in detail and price range.
@Rick Rubino posted:Kadee just had samples of there O scale trucks at the great train show last month. no info on time line though. would be great to have.
Time line aside, what kind of trucks were seen? Metal wheels, one hopes.
Hi Mike, just saw this, wow very interesting news, thanks for sharing! I'm personally hoping they offer their PS-2CD 4750 covered hopper, or PS4000 3-bay coal hopper, but will be interested in most any rail car built 1970 or later.
John
Hi John,
Right there with ya on first on the list product. Their PS4750 would be amazing in O Scale! Really anything they do would be, it would just be a matter of how many I would purchase! 
Sure any of the 100T coal hopper variations they've done would be a welcome addition.
@mwb posted:Time line aside, what kind of trucks were seen? Metal wheels, one hopes.
While I wasn't at Trainfest this year, seems like they had some trucks on display perhaps someone else has the info. Having used some of their trucks in both HO and 1:29 they are die cast metal fully sprung with braking gear present. Nice detailed for sure. I can't imagine they would do anything different for O scale, just a question of what they are types they are offering.
Really nothing present on their website that I can find regarding the future product(s). What I did find was a post on their FB site with the following photo of arch bar trucks, looks more like Bettendorf to me.
Wow! I wonder if that silver circle in the center of the truck which looks like a spacer to me is removable for different applications? I don't dislike die-cast trucks but when they crumble into dust it can be a real bummer.
If either of these companies comes out with trucks it will be a very good thing for O scale.
@Mike DeBerg posted:While I wasn't at Trainfest this year, seems like they had some trucks on display perhaps someone else has the info. Having used some of their trucks in both HO and 1:29 they are die cast metal fully sprung with braking gear present. Nice detailed for sure. I can't imagine they would do anything different for O scale, just a question of what they are types they are offering.
Really nothing present on their website that I can find regarding the future product(s). What I did find was a post on their FB site with the following photo of arch bar trucks, looks more like Bettendorf to me.
I could not find anything on their website either which is why I inquired.
Yes, those look like a Bettandorf variant.
as a rule when tangent makes an announcement the product is available at that time. and in the HO world it usually sells out almost immediately .
Rick, One of the many other things I like about Tangent!
I notice this morning that their home page has a new " View and Buy 0" added to their drop-down list -- though it doesn't go anywhere the last I checked. Also note that their very significant Quantity Discount provisions [ 11 to 20 % ] do not apply to 0 !
At the least, this will be "interesting". Manufacturers have been known to produce product based on the wishes of a vociferous few rather than the majority of the modelling sector at large.....
Good luck to them !
SZ
@Steinzeit posted:I notice this morning that their home page has a new " View and Buy 0" added to their drop-down list -- though it doesn't go anywhere the last I checked. Also note that their very significant Quantity Discount provisions [ 11 to 20 % ] do not apply to 0 !
Maybe that will change and get updates once they have something to sell....
At the least, this will be "interesting". Manufacturers have been known to produce product based on the wishes of a vociferous few rather than the majority of the modelling sector at large....
Yeah, that'll end well.
Well, this IS a surprise [ to me anyway ]: A 1928 3 dome tank car, in brass.
My Christmas wish list is unchanged. Yours ?
SZ
@Steinzeit posted:Well, this IS a surprise [ to me anyway ]: A 1928 3 dome tank car, in brass.
At a mere $524.95.....does look nice in the photos....undec for $489.95
My Christmas wish list is unchanged. Yours ?
I have enough, no, way too many tank cars....
About 70 years older of an era than I was hoping for but really nice looking cars just the same, was fun while it lasted.☺️
I'm wondering how much an I-18 caboose would be if they do one in O. Not really interested in a 3-dome tank car but wow, those trucks look amazing.
These are build by Sam-Tech… absolutely top of the line. Paint and lettering is a great plus!!!
The Celanese paint scheme is striking!
very surprised to see them do something in brass , nice car but way above what I can afford. was hoping for something in plastic comparable to their HO line.
An expensive model of a 95 year old prototype...................................... yawn.
Somehow it seemed too good to be true.
Yeah, while I'm disappointed that the 1st O scale release from Tangent Scale Models wasn't something that fits my era of modeling, I am still happy to see them in O scale and look forward to a release that fits my era, such as the PS4750.
I’m just glad they didn’t compromise their historical relevance and prestige by not offering pizza cutter flanges and lobster claws. Let’s leave that for PEZ dispenser collectors!
@SANTIAGOP23 posted:I’m just glad they didn’t compromise their historical relevance and prestige by offering pizza cutter flanges and lobster claws. Let’s leave that for PEZ dispenser collectors!
Now be nice.
Actually, I agree with you to a large extent. I tend to be more concerned about Fantasy Island paint schemes, though I do own two fantasy items -- an ATSF SD70ACe and an ATSF TTX Articulated Auto Rack (both with scale wheels). Everything else offered is subject to a roster/photo check.
Atlas seems to have addressed supporting both the 3-rail and 2-rail markets well. Tangent caters to the high-end museum/collector class and though the price point is high, from the photos I've seen it looks like a well detailed car. I vaguely remember some limited run brass cars going for over $400 each so we'll see.
FYI - This model is good up until the 1970s. Two of the cars has the bar code for the 70s. Price is lower than current painted brass offered today. Down with the naysayers (People who do nothing but ***** and complain and keep the 2-rail hobby stagnant)! QUALITY OVER THE ALTERNATIVE- YES!
The price quoted is in tandem, keeping in mind inflation, with Rich Yoder cars, of 5+ years ago. Rich's cars are all sold-out. Suspect these will be sell-outs, too. I will be purchasing one. Think the era selected - 1928 to 1970's - is quite sensible, covering pure steam, steam to diesel and all diesel eras. Judging from the photos, the detailing is meticulous and are of museum quality.
Just placed my order. Great to see some new vitality in the O Scale - - - - note the word scale - - - - marketplace !!
@George diSanti posted:Price is lower than current painted brass offered today.
Who else is currently selling newly produced brass freight cars for $500+?
If you do not know current prices of the coming painted brass products being delivered shortly then you have not ordered any of the cars.
The fact that SamTech is building in O scale is a privilege. Over the years they have built the most legendary trains imported by The Coach Yard.
Who else is currently selling ?
The last party with a available right now inventory of o scale brass freighters is / has been selling them 3 - 400 ea - unpainted
I find it amazing that in the current inflationary environment we can buy a brass car of this quality for 525 (with a $150 paint job)
Prototypical o scale tank car choices are few; Tangent - thanks for giving o scalers a model which fills a (small sliver of a) big void
@bob3 posted:Who else is currently selling ?
The last party with a available right now inventory of o scale brass freighters is / has been selling them 3 - 400 ea - unpainted
I find it amazing that in the current inflationary environment we can buy a brass car of this quality for 525 (with a $150 paint job)
Prototypical o scale tank car choices are few; Tangent - thanks for giving o scalers a model which fills a big void
A big void? Just how many modelers do you think want a 70-year old tank car design to meet their modeling wants?
I'm curious to see what the next release from Tangent will be. It will give a good indication where they're headed in O scale. Take the brass route and they will alienate about 98% of the hobby.
The argument that more modern stuff will sell more stands rebutted by how long it has taken 3rd Rail to make those unattractive sd40s. If you guys want these nice stuff, you better reach deep into your pockets.
I Got 2 SP Tunnel Motors ordered.
Would order many GP40-2s in Western Pacific paint if available.
Central Locomotive Works should have many Locomotives available next year.
I think I'm the only 2railer in my area. Anybody else in Spokane or local area?
John
Coeurd Alene, Idaho
An absolutely beautiful model. The only reason I am not buying one right now is I am amassing my disposable income to buy a Bentley Continental GT.
Q - How many modelers want a model that is good for the late 1920’s - 1960’s era ??
A - A lot
Catnap wrote:
"A big void? Just how many modelers do you think want a 70-year old tank car design to meet their modeling wants?
I'm curious to see what the next release from Tangent will be. It will give a good indication where they're headed in O scale. Take the brass route and they will alienate about 98% of the hobby."
You're right it does cover a BIG VOID!! From 1929 thru 1970s. That's a dang good spread for their first model.
Also where did you get - alienate 98% - or are just making stuff up to fit your agenda as I sure did not get to vote?
@Derailed10o posted:I Got 2 SP Tunnel Motors ordered.
Would order many GP40-2s in Western Pacific paint if available.
Central Locomotive Works should have many Locomotives available next year.
I think I'm the only 2railer in my area. Anybody else in Spokane or local area?
John
Coeurd Alene, Idaho
John I am headed to 2 rail from 3. I just got into deadrail . Converting all my stock into battery power . Hope I can pick your at your knowledge of 2 rail. I live in Spokane Valley
Nice.
Have to chat soon.
Talk with you later Bill
@John Sethian posted:An absolutely beautiful model. The only reason I am not buying one right now is I am amassing my disposable income to buy a Bentley Continental GT.
Nice toy!!!
@SANTIAGOP23 posted:What we need is options in between Atlas O and High end brass (ie Protocraft). Both in detail and price range.
I'm confused, as you seem to be arguing against this position in later posts on the other Tangent thread. Or are you saying that Tangent is to be congratulated for producing this model, it just isn't "what we need". Or is the Tangent model not "high end brass" ? How are you defining "we"?
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I think the most interesting aspect of this Tangent release is not just that it is in brass, but that it:
- is not a model that they have produced in HO or N [ to the best of my quick research ]**
- is built in Korea [ whereas I think their existing plastic production is all mainland-China sourced ]
That means both the overheads of research and creation of a new 'supply chain' [ hopefully with the help of an old Korea hand ] were borne entirely by this model -- unless they took over / were given a project by another importer who just didn't, for any number of reasons, want to do it. Anyone else thinking like this ?
SZ
**Edited to add: I was wrong -- they DID do it in HO.
That was before the reveal. The fact that they went with factory painted, high end brass changes the entire nature of their release (pushing Atlas off the conversation). I think they are drop dead gorgeous and we’ll worth the money.
I received the Tangent O scale email blog a few minutes ago... I believe they will only be making brass in O scale ...From the email.
"Why a Brass model? Our decision to provide a hand-crafted model constructed from brass - as our first foray into O scale - is simple. We are testing the waters for this market, both in style of product offered (painted and RTR) as well as what sort of volume the market will support. We understand that some customers might prefer a plastic-based model, however that is very unlikely from us in O scale. New tooling for O Scale cars costs well into the $6 figures, and a majority of our HO scale tooling has multiple variations in parts and bodies which effectively doubles or triples the plastic tooling cost. We do not and will not offer simple "one size fits all" models. O Scale Brass can yield beautiful results, as our first model has demonstrated."
I am on the fence buying one or not...Will be curious to hear the reviews when they start being received. Maybe that will help me decide to buy one.
Awesome, that clears things up. The discerning modeler who prefers brass over plastic should be pleased to read this. I’m not surprised they’re probably not going to tool up plastic models. Lots of investment required with little in return. I’ll promptly unsubscribe as I have zero interest in future releases.
@roll_the_dice posted:I received the Tangent O scale email blog a few minutes ago... I believe they will only be making brass in O scale ...From the email.
.........We do not and will not offer simple "one size fits all" models. .........
Yet, with one exception, as near as I can tell, all these models are identical except for paint; the exception is the two 'modern' schemes with the ACI labels. And they applied a common solution for both which -- based solely on the single prototype photo they furnished for each -- is certainly incorrect for one car, and looks incorrect on the other; surprising, considering the emphasis on the ACI-era in the text. This might not bother me on some car types, but it would on a tank car. Or am I expecting too much on a $ 500+ model ?
SZ
As mentioned earlier, the Tangent O Scale newsletter reveals a lot of their positioning of this model as well as sets up some potential guidelines around future releases! As David noted, Tangent never reveals future products, but the cool thing is when they announce a new product it generally is available immediately. As a happy HO customer of Tangent and an O Scale modeler I am excited by the future.
O and larger scales bring with them the potential for other materials and types of construction to bring the most accurate representation of the prototypes in a way without oversized or super delicate details. I'm also thinking about the hybrid approach that PRB and Atlas went into with their Trinity 5161 Covered Hopper back in the day, and all the runs they have produced. While I believe a similar approach for an PS4750 would be successful, I would be happy with a brass version too.
I'm extremely happy to see Tangent Scale Models enter the O Scale market with such a high-quality first release, I am even more excited to see what David has up his sleeves for future Tangent Scale Model releases that fit into my modeling era where I can support his efforts by buying the products!
Keep up the great work!
@SANTIAGOP23 posted:The argument that more modern stuff will sell more stands rebutted by how long it has taken 3rd Rail to make those unattractive sd40s. If you guys want these nice stuff, you better reach deep into your pockets.
Unfortunately in my very humble opinion the two are not related.
The SD40-2 is the equivalent of the Pennsy x29 box car. Both are required items for those modeling their time periods. Modelers need them.
Yet there is no demand for a model of the SD40-2 (one of the most popular and finest EMD locomotives produced and still earning it's keep) and the x29 box cars are either generic plastic Atlas, which are OK, or old brass Lhee Do which are generic brass. Market saturated, those are "good enough"
Logically speaking, there should have been a series of Pacific Limited quality x29 box cars done, in all of the correct PRR variants, but no demand exists.
Thus the conundrum of what is needed versus what is wanted versus what is popular and sells.
Big boys, Cab forwards, Alleghenies, latest production EMD/GEs, and obscure three dome tank cars sell.
Common auto racks, well cars or accurate x29 boxcars or basic black UTLX X-3 tank cars are lacking.
What sells is the key. I’d buy a nice X-29 (actually I’d prefer a nice X-25), but as you note there is no market for a $500 brass X-29 when the choices you mention, and a Grabowski version, are “out there”
While I do not buy items outside of my period of interest - I cheer their availability - as they hopefully sell, and show potential manufactures there is a marketplace / there is a reason to invest in o scale (Yawns / negativity are not helpful in attracting new manufacturers)
Like others, I too was looking for something plastic at a better price point to mimic what this manufacturer has been offering in HO, but fully understand and support the reality of the risk that presents in the O scale market. Hindsight is easy, but brass is really the only logical choice for an initial offering.
I really like the prototype offered and one would look at home in my collection. My only challenge with purchasing one is having one freight car at this level of fidelity stand out against so many others that are not.
I hope these sell out and we see more offerings from this company in O.
@bob3 posted:What sells is the key. I’d buy a nice X-29 (actually I’d prefer a nice X-25), but as you note there is no market for a $500 brass X-29 when the choices you mention, and a Grabowski version, are “out there”
While I do not buy items outside of my period of interest - I cheer their availability - as they hopefully sell, and show potential manufactures there is a marketplace / there is a reason to invest in o scale (Yawns / negativity are not helpful in attracting new manufacturers)
Dearest Pat O'boyle, may he rest in peace, was going to do an x25. It always amazes me that most every train consist video up through the sixties, no matter what part of the country, always had a string of cars with a lowly x29 stuffed in it. But common things tend not to garner deep interests and most folks don't look at the details close enough to care.
I'm not a modern era modeler but if it comes out and sells I'm all for it.
These tank cars sound sweet.
Dearest Pat O'boyle, may he rest in peace, was going to do an x25 - Yes, the Pacific Limited ad in the January 1989 Mainline Modeler shows eight X-25 versions!
I met him once at an O Scale West. Circling us back to the subject - he wanted to do the IC Single Sheathed Boxcar which had been re-built from an auto car; but he knew it would not sell; so even when you are controlling the Projects you cannot always do what you want
@GG1 4877 posted:Like others, I too was looking for something plastic at a better price point to mimic what this manufacturer has been offering in HO, but fully understand and support the reality of the risk that presents in the O scale market. Hindsight is easy, but brass is really the only logical choice for an initial offering.
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That's the irony. Plastic is available at a lower price point per unit, but the tooling is so expensive you have to sell a ton of them to pay for it. Brass has a lower start-up cost, but then the production is higher since there's still a lot of hand-labor involved, so you have a high price point. Atlas seems to have the plastic market pretty much tied up, especially with the acquisition of a large share of the MTH tooling. Sunset took a hybrid approach through their 3rd Rail line so they were able to offer a lower price point on the brass. Time will tell.
Some back of the envelope calculations - let's say tooling is $750k and you can sell 5000 units of whatever --> $750,000 / 5,000 = $150 of tooling cost in each unit - doing these tank cars in brass seems like the easy and only choice
@GG1 4877 posted:I really like the prototype offered and one would look at home in my collection. My only challenge with purchasing one is having one freight car at this level of fidelity stand out against so many others that are not.
This is where I'm at. Early tank car prototypes are not often accurately modeled in O. They're usually part of traditional 3-rail sets, with gargantuan brake wheels and molded in details that are not crisp.
So I'm interested, but $500 is steep for a single piece of rolling stock that might stick out like a sore thumb, and won't be something I could afford a lot of.
I hope these sell out and we see more offerings from this company in O.
100%, and this is coming from someone who is a 3-railer.
@AGHRMatt posted:That's the irony. Plastic is available at a lower price point per unit, but the tooling is so expensive you have to sell a tone of them to pay for it. Brass has a lower start-up cost, but then the production is higher since there's still a lot of hand-labor involved, so you have a high price point. Atlas seems to have the plastic market pretty much tied up, especially with the acquisition of a large share of the MTH tooling. Sunset took a hybrid approach through their 3rd Rail line so they were able to offer a lower price point on the brass. Time will tell.
@bob3 posted:Some back of the envelope calculations - let's say tooling is $750k and you can sell 5000 units of whatever --> $750,000 / 5,000 = $150 of tooling cost in each unit - doing these tank cars in brass seems like the easy and only choice
Maybe the industrial 3D printing world will save us with a nice middle ground?
@rplst8 posted:This is where I'm at. Early tank car prototypes are not often accurately modeled in O. They're usually part of traditional 3-rail sets, with gargantuan brake wheels and molded in details that are not crisp.
So I'm interested, but $500 is steep for a single piece of rolling stock that might stick out like a sore thumb, and won't be something I could afford a lot of.
100%, and this is coming from someone who is a 3-railer.
Maybe the industrial 3D printing world will save us with a nice middle ground?
At some point, the resolution will be fine enough to do these kind of projects and the materials will be more durable. I've seen some nicely done 3D prints in smaller scales and have some 3D printed parts, but [at this point] they can be fragile. There are currently 3D metal printers out there, but you don't even want to THINK about what those must cost.
@Derailed10o posted:I Got 2 SP Tunnel Motors ordered.
Would order many GP40-2s in Western Pacific paint if available.
Central Locomotive Works should have many Locomotives available next year.
I think I'm the only 2railer in my area. Anybody else in Spokane or local area?
John
Coeurd Alene, Idaho
I look for unique models that I doubt will see Lionel, 3rd Rail, or MTH put forth. Im hoping for an SD45-2 from CLW.
I'm excited to see what Lou has coming out next year.
To bad Atlas won't produce locomotives more often. They have the tooling. With the MTH line they could fine tune the models with better railings and sell them fast. I don't know...
@Derailed10o posted:I'm excited to see what Lou has coming out next year.
To bad Atlas won't produce locomotives more often. They have the tooling. With the MTH line they could fine tune the models with better railings and sell them fast. I don't know...
I much admire Atlas as a family business and the way they survive in a difficult business.
One of my few criticisms is that Atlas never fixes anything that's wrong detail wise. The RS3s should have had the tooling scrapped due to the horribly inaccurate handrails. Even AHM got it right 40 plus years ago in a cheapie HO locomotive.
I do hope this is a good product for Tangent. Just when I think of selling the whole shebang someone starts up the good car machine again.
Fellow O Scalers,
just ordered the Tangent models Celanese version.
It appears they are in stock and ready to ship.
WELCOME Tangent models to O Scale 2 rail .
John P.Dunn Sr. President CVMRR
@mwb posted:Who else is currently selling newly produced brass freight cars for $500+?
MMW has samples at 600+ for display at some O scale meets, actual production remains a distant goal. Division Point is pushing the 500 # in HO cars and Coach Yard passenger trains for what still appears to be a strong collector base.
Dear O Scalers,
I just received my UPS shipping notice that my Tangent Celanese was shipped today- less than 24 hours from ordering the model.
These guys are for real !!!
if they continue offering there HO models in O scale 2 rail brass the PRR X58 Boxcar , G41A Steel Coil car OR G43 Gondola would be great offering time span from 1962 to 2020.
Thank you again Tangent models.
John P. Dunn Sr. Presdent CVMRR
@hibar posted:MMW has samples at 600+ for display at some O scale meets, actual production remains a distant goal. Division Point is pushing the 500 # in HO cars and Coach Yard passenger trains for what still appears to be a strong collector base.
"currently selling newly produced " -- seen his stuff at Chicago and lots of photos, but MMW hasn't delivered anything as far as I know and is rapidly approaching vaporware status. While I am aware of high end HO, it's not really relevant here in this forum.
Protocraft is still showing their reefers for under $300. Probably worth running out and buying everything they still have in stock today given this $500 price point.
MMW hoppers are at the painters as we speak. Delivery is eminent.
A $300 product is not the same as a $500 product (painted). I believe your smarter than that?
I need to evaluate my "expendable" rolling stock and start practicing with my airbrush again.
WELCOME Tangent Models to O/Proto48 2-rail O Scale.
No matter how beautiful your model is, lots of people will complain about it.
I was initially disappointed that it was not a plastic offering but understand the costs involved. Hopefully O Scale / Proto48 will prove a worthy investment in the future.
I would remind everybody that there is only one manufacturer (San Juan Model Co) producing Proto48 Freight Car kits today and one importer of Proto48 Brass freight cars (Protocraft).
There are other the freight car kit manufacturers whose products are sold without trucks, like Southern Car and Foundry, Rails Unlimited, Sylvan Models, Smokey Models and Glacier Park Models, but they have not also made the investment in producing a Proto48 truck. So they are not really a Proto48 model offering.
Please let's not complain too loudly that this choice of models is not what you wanted.
Instead let's celebrate that someone has decided to jump into our market and has produced a fine model.
I ordered one of the tank cars today as a Proto48 version. I can't wait for it to arrive.
Thank you Tangent Models!
Dear Fellow O Scale 2 Railers,
Looking forward to receiving my model tomorrow night by UPS.
Also looking forward to fellow South Jerseyan George Losse review of this piece!!
There must be something in the water in South Jersey with 2 of us so far purchasing the Tangent model and Lou's CLW PRR RT-624 diesel model which we purchased 5 out of the 32 produced.
BTW, had the Mather car project by RY Models come to fruition, the models would have been $475. to $550.
The future is for those who prepare for it.
Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah !!
John P. Dunn Sr. President CVMRR
CVMRR OPEN HOUSE 01/07/08/14/15 , 2023 12-3 PM
@George Losse posted:WELCOME Tangent Models to O/Proto48 2-rail O Scale.
Please let's not complain too loudly that this choice of models is not what you wanted.
Instead let's celebrate that someone has decided to jump into our market and has produced a fine model.
Thank you Tangent Models!
I totally agree. I love the prototype that they picked. I would seriously consider buying one but only two weeks ago I reserved the NYC H10 with Scott so it is not in my budget. I think it is really great that someone new has decided to enter o scale. I look forward to seeing what they do in the future.
Yeah......I talked to them at Trainfest last month, and they did hint of a venture into O scale! I was told to keep my eyes open for some news. I only wish it was something in the modern era, and not a duplicate of a car done by some other manufacturer. I think Intermountain did one years ago, if I recall.
Dear Fellow 2 Rail O Scalers,
a knock on my door at 4:30 today and my Tangent model is here !!
I have attached photos of the model .
Can’t wait to dirty her up a little to bring out that beautiful rivet detail.
Looking forward to accumulating more white/orange Tangent boxes to go with the green ,red , blue , black boxes!!
Thank you , Tangent Models
John P. Dunn St. President CVMRR
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John,
Nice images. The car looks great!
Mine is due to arrive tomorrow.
Thanks for sharing the images.
Very nice looking car John!
Whew that’s beautiful
My car arrived yesterday. Here are a few images of the car.
I really like the car!
I liked the way they handled the draft gear on the model.
Very nice John and George! Thanks for the photos.
Wonderful 🔥🔥🔥❤️❤️❤️
I didn't figure I'd see any vendor offering NEW O Scale brass any time soon, so I'm delighted to see it happen, even if I am not interested in this particular offering. That said, the cars look fabulous.
Happy Holidays
ECI
