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There have not been any true O scale Steam era two dome, three dome or multi dome tank cars made by Atlas, MTH, Lionel or Weaver that I am aware of. If I am not correct on this, please let me know.

 

While at  the Chicago O scale show back in March I was able to find these tank cars.

A "Koppers" three dome tank car by 3rd Rail -Thanks Norm's O scale!

 

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A six dome "Roma" Wine tank car also by 3rd Rail - Thanks again Norm's O scale.

 

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At last I finally have an O scale two dome tank car,"Deep Rock"  by US Hobbies, I believe.

 

 

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Finally, a three dome tank car, "GATX" that looks to be a true O sale model of the three dome tank cars made by MTH, and Lionel. This car is also by US Hobbies I believe.

 

 

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All four cars are riding on Atlas 3 rail trucks, and look really great on the layout.

 

Thanks,

 

Richard

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Absolutely!

I will add more as I gather images.

Intermountain 8000 gallon
U.S. hobbies made oodles
PSC made all kinds of tanks
Drake imported the best in my opinion
Atlas redid the Intermountain cars
Red Caboose did 10,000 gallon insulated
Pecos River Brass did several

On and on.


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I would love to see some affordable scale models ($50-100) of two-, three-, or four-dome steam-era tank cars. I think the Rail King 3-dome car, and maybe some of the other 2-and 3-dome cars from Lionel and K-Line, may actually be at or close to scale size, but I don't have scale drawings to check them against. These were very small cars - there's one in the Pennsylvania Railroad Museum and it's dwarfed by an ordinary 40' boxcar.

 

I once got my hands on a scale drawing of the old Heinz closed-side pickle vat cars and discovered, to my surprise, that the K-Line car, advertised as traditional size, was actually to scale. The Rail King tanker and some of the others may well be at or near scale, but I'd still like to have a well-detailed scale car without having to find, pay for, and convert a 2-rail brass model. 

 

And many thanks to Erik for posting the photos!

Originally Posted by Southwest Hiawatha:

I would love to see some affordable scale models ($50-100) of two-, three-, or four-dome steam-era tank cars.

 

............but I'd still like to have a well-detailed scale car without having to find, pay for, and convert a 2-rail brass model. 

If you look around and are patient, you can find brass cars within that price range,   I picked up one at the Chicago meet in March for $40.  The only ones that I have ever paid more than $100 for have been the high walkway cars from MG or Yoder. 

 

However, as far as I know, 4 dome cars have never been produced or imported.  Might have to think about scratching one together just to have 1,

 

I will confess that I find some of those more unusual chemical tank cars quite interesting.

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Thanks Guys,

 

After seeing 3RD Rail 3 dome tank cars at York I also suggested to Jim Weaver at Atlas years ago that Atlas should add a 2 and 3 dome O scale tank cars to their Steam Era Classic line. I have several Inter  Mountain and Atlas 8000 gal. tank cars The detail on these cars is outstanding.  

 

I looked at the tank cars long and hard at the Chicago show. The 3rd Rail cars were very pricy, even after Norm worked with me if I purchased two cars. My uncle  worked for Koppers in Memphis for many years, so I had to have that car. The Roma wine tank car was also too nice to pass up, so I ended up with both of them.

 

I found the 2 and 3 dome cars on a table across from Norm's display. I made a few stops at the table and finally made a deal to buy the two tank cars and a single dome Sunoco  tank car. I am keeping the two rail trucks and Kadee coupler on the Sunoco tank car. I am assembling a string of two rail O scale freight cars.

 

Thanks for posting the pictures of the prototype tank cars.

 

Richard

A little information from Lionel on multi-dome tank cars:

 

Freight Car Friday – 3 Dome Tank Cars

The three dome tank car has been a model train tradition for more than half a century. Far more common on our rails than the prototype, the cars are not without authenticity however. Nor were one and three domes the only options.

Three Cars in One

Deep Rock

The Deep Rock three-dome car is a railroading and model classic.

The dome on a tank car serves two purposes. first, it includes the hatch through which product can be loaded and second, it provides an area for expansion should the contents experience an increase in temperature during transit. This is important, because a tank car needs to be filled nearly completely for transit. If not, the waves caused by liquids sloshing about within the car could easily cause a derailment.

Three dome tank cars actually have three tanks on the same frame. Each tank section has its own dome. This gives the shipper several options when using the car. Like a single dome car however, the tanks would need a thorough cleaning before being reloaded with any other commodity.

Wine

Multi-dome cars were frequently favored by smaller-volume shippers including food producers.

Each compartment could be loaded with a different product. If there were differences, most commonly it would be a different grade of the same commodity.

But the separate tanks also gave the shipper more control over the volume of shipments by only filling one or two of the compartments. Even a partial fill in one of the tanks would be much less likely to cause problems due to the limited volume.

What did they carry? Three (and more) dome cars have been used from everything from oil to wine. So when it comes to spotting a car on your layout, let your imagination be your guide!

Where did they go?

Hershey Car

It’s harder to spot the three loading hatches on the top of this tank, or discern its contents. The location of the photo gives it away however – Hershey, PA. Several of these cars have been used in recent years on short hauls between the old and new factories.

Although they are exceptionally rare today, multi-compartment tank cars still roam the rails. Changes in tank car design have largely eliminated the need for an expansion dome as we knew them on the older cars. This makes spotting these compartmentalized tanks even more challenging.

A bigger factor in the demise of this type of car came from trucks. With road delivery a more efficient and affordable option for small shippers, the customers for the small cars disappeared. Like “Less than Carload” boxcars, the multi-dome tank vanished when shippers only needed full-carload service.

Several of the older cars have been preserved in railroad museums and on operating short lines all across the country. And of course, we can keep the tradition alive on our model railroads as well!

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Originally Posted by palallin:

Don't count out small tank cars--they have come in just about every size.  An 8,000 gallon tankcar is very small in 1/48 scale.

Don't discount Lionel's offerings. The pre war and post war tin cars are scale size if lacking in ultimate detail. They would make a good starting point.

 

Intermountain 8000 gal car:

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Williams semi scale car:

 

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Lionel Post War Car:

 

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Pete

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Originally Posted by palallin:
"Beware the Dark Side:  once you start down that path, forever will it dominate your destiny!"
 
Originally Posted by Richard Gonzales:

I am assembling a string of two rail O scale freight cars.

 

 

Indeed Palallin, I was smitten by the evil of the dark side of 2 rail O scale upon my first visit to the Lewis Ertz "West Tennessee Central Railroad." The urge to rip up my third rail is hard to resist at times. Thankfully the force emanating from the spirit of the GREAT COWEN is stronger!

 

Love your response,

 

Richard

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Dark side!

We're the Jedi Knights man


Originally Posted by Richard Gonzales:

       
Originally Posted by palallin:
"Beware the Dark Side:  once you start down that path, forever will it dominate your destiny!"
 
Originally Posted by Richard Gonzales:

I am assembling a string of two rail O scale freight cars.

 

 

Indeed Palallin, I was smitten by the evil of the dark side of 2 rail O scale upon my first visit to the Lewis Ertz "West Tennessee Central Railroad." The urge to rip up my third rail is hard to resist at times. Thankfully the force emanating from the spirit of the GREAT COWEN is stronger!

 

Love you response,

 

Richard

Originally Posted by radar493:
If I start with these tank cars will I be subject to "tanker madness"? I have already succumbed to that dreaded disease "reefer madness". Don't want to have to go through all that therapy again.

Ralph,"Tanker Madness" is a little more difficult to catch than Refer madness, since the germ associated with the multi dome variety of tanker mandess  is rare and more expensive, which helps build up your resistance.

 

Richard

Originally Posted by breezinup:

This is what the K-Line 3 dome looks like. These were made by K-Line, and also by "K-Line by Lionel" after Lionel absorbed K-Line.

Breezinup,

 

That K Line 3 dome tank car is very nice. You would think Lionel would produce this car again since it is so much nicer than the Lionel garden variety 3 dome tank car.

 

Thanks for posting the pictures.

 

Richard

Originally Posted by Norton:
Originally Posted by palallin:

Don't count out small tank cars--they have come in just about every size.  An 8,000 gallon tankcar is very small in 1/48 scale.

Don't discount Lionel's offerings. The pre war and post war tin cars are scale size if lacking in ultimate detail. They would make a good starting point.

 

Intermountain 8000 gal car:

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Williams semi scale car:

 

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Lionel Post War Car:

 

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Pete

Pete,

 

Yes, those pre and post war Lionel single dome tank cars are very nice. A few years ago I picked up a repro black, silver and gray Sunoco tank car shell from East Coast Train parts, and replaced the shells on my Sunoco cars.

Richard

We don’t like to talk about things that are not yet in our warehouse in the states but I could not resist letting you all know we have in production some very nice $19.95 (+/-) 3-dome tank cars in 6 road names for hopefully September or October availably!

 

-Mark the Menards Train Guy

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Richard - no, only the first two.  I have scratchbuilt many tank cars, but the last two were made professionally by folks in the business of selling model trains.  Lobaugh had a group of pro builders who would build a kit in exchange for another similar kit - a real loser financially, but we have many outstanding examples of such craftsmanship from pre-1941.

Originally Posted by Norton:
Originally Posted by palallin:

Don't count out small tank cars--they have come in just about every size.  An 8,000 gallon tankcar is very small in 1/48 scale.

Don't discount Lionel's offerings. The pre war and post war tin cars are scale size if lacking in ultimate detail. They would make a good starting point. 

 

Right. For comparison, here are a few shots of an Atlas O 8,000 gal. scale tank car, a Lionel traditional tank car, and a Lionel 8,000 gal. scale tank car.

 

The Atlas O car and the Lionel car are virtually identical in size. (And actually, the more recent Lionel cars have are slightly more detailed, with additional rivet detail.)

 

The Lionel scale 8,000 gal. car, while shorter, is still an 8,000 gal car, because in this design the tank is wider, as shown in the photos comparing it with the Atlas car.

 

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Lionel and Bachmann have made 3-dome tank cars that have chunky details, yet they look scale sized with Atlas O and Weaver box cars and open-top hoppers. Do you need finely detailed models instead? 

The broken, plastic, roller bearing trucks were replaced with metal, journal bearing trucks on this MPC/LIONEL 3-dome tank car. 

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Andrew

 

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Here are some two and three dome tank cars that a two railer friend picked up for me in 2016 in Chicago and two tanks cars I picked up  back in March 2017 during my second visit to the Chicago O scale show.

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I could not make it to Chicago in 2016, so I ask my two railer friend to find me a two or three rail car. He found this great looking UTLX tree dome tank for me.

 

Texas Company 2 dome tank car

I picked up these tow 2 dome tank cars in Chicago back in March.  The Texas Company two dome was an undecorated brass model. My two railer friend painted and lettered the car for me, and I added the Atlas three rail trucks.

 Tydol Veedol tank car

I found this Tydol Veedol two tank car ready to run. all I had to do was add the switch out the two rail trucks for Atlas three rail trucks. Atlas has announced a single dome Tydol Veedol tank car in the Masters Line that I will have to order for sure.

I like the fact that two and three rail O scale tank cars always come with private ownership markings. The Lionel 3 dome tank cars and MTH three dome tank cars are nice, but more often then not they are made with railroad road names, which is just not prototypically correct for most  tank cars.  

Take care,

Richard

 

 

 

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pro hobby posted:

K-Line all metal single dome tankcar.  Nice detail.  How close to scale on this one???

 

 

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I have always considered these to be scale size. IIRC, This one is not all metal, rather, it hs a metal frame and a plastic body.

This is the old AMT mold from 1951 or so.

"One thing about tank cars: they come in a variety of sizes:"

Yes, they do. Some guys thought my project below was "inaccurate" - then I showed them a prototype photo similar to the one above. The repaint's road name, etc, is correct, though the capacities are wrong, if you care to think about it. (The Marx data is probably closer.)

Before and after examples. I added some brake equipment details, but you can't see them here. 

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D500 posted:

"One thing about tank cars: they come in a variety of sizes:"

Yes, they do. Some guys thought my project below was "inaccurate" - then I showed them a prototype photo similar to the one above. The repaint's road name, etc, is correct, though the capacities are wrong, if you care to think about it. (The Marx data is probably closer.)

Before and after examples. I added some brake equipment details, but you can't see them here. 

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There are a number of Marx scale tank cars converted to S gauge on my pike. It's cool that they are different than the basic postwar Flyer, especially the orange shell cars.

Hate to revive a really old thread, but has anyone ever seen or heard of a Lobaugh CHEMICAL tank car kit?  I have seen lots and lots of the J&L cars(most painted silver), lots of the SP Crude Oil ones(though never one painted correctly), and quite a few of the other assorted Magnolia 3 domes, Mobilgas single dome, Shell double dome, etc ones, but this kit has a chemical dome and I have never seen one like it before.

Really like tank cars, have quite a few from all manufacturers.  In and on my list of things to do, when other projects are completed, wish to re-letter tank cars like these pictured.  These are historic for the early 20th century oil company, and forerunner of Continental Oil Co..... CONOCO.  Also, the original MARX cars??

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Nice older thread.  I really like tank cars.  However, due to my later entry into O-gauge, I don't have a big fleet built up yet.  But here's a couple of several that I have right now.......................

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The tank car on the left is a PW Lionel tank car, with ProtoCraft decals and late model Lionel trucks.  Although not a lot of detail, I really like the Lionel PW tank car with its die-cast metal frame and stamped/rolled metal tank, tank ends, and ladders.  I selected the "North American" decals from ProtoCraft's website, because Lionel's tank car is a pretty darned good stand-in for the prototype picture that ProtoCraft shows for this particular road name.

The tank car on the right is one of Menard's new single-dome tank cars.  I really like the looks of these tank cars, but those fantasy paint schemes are something else, oy vey! (Sorry Mark )!  About the only thing I've done so far before giving it the rattle-can flat black paint job, was to razor-saw off those ubiquitous molded-on stirrups and add some staples for better looks, and also add some internal weight (the cars are a little too lightweight, in my opinion).  I'm also debating whether or not to scratch-build some new ladders (the existing ones are molded plastic, and fairly chunky-looking), and maybe scuff and paint those "chrome" hand rails.  And lastly, select some decals to finish it up with.  Like the Lionel tank car, not a lot of detail, but for twenty bucks, I think it looks good and suits my purposes just fine. 

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Who doesn't like tank cars?  Here are a few of mine....

Oldies, but, goodies.  I've been running these conventionally for 30 years.

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These are two Famous American Railroad tankers.  You might be able to make out the logo on the left side.

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These are my favorites.  Love the large size, and they go perfectly with the engine.

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Part of the LOTS warbonnet SF series.

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These four are Menard's SF triple tankers.

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Menard's UP's.

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I've never cared if they are prototypical.  To me, they are all gorgeous.  I would never consider weathering cars for my toy train layouts.

Jerry

 

 

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Not a regular style tank car by any means, Helium cars first came about in the late 1920s and later versions lasted through the 1990s. Here is my recently finished restoration and 3-rail conversion of a 2-rail kit car that I purchased at a train show.  After a small repair for a missing roof panel, conversion to 3-rail, adding some missing details the original builder never installed, a repaint and re-decal, it finally came together and turned out great.

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mountain482 posted:

Not a regular style tank car by any means, Helium cars first came about in the late 1920s and later versions lasted through the 1990s. Here is my recently finished restoration and 3-rail conversion of a 2-rail kit car that I purchased at a train show.  After a small repair for a missing roof panel, conversion to 3-rail, adding some missing details the original builder never installed, a repaint and re-decal, it finally came together and turned out greatIMG_20191129_110240985

Neat car!  I have some of these in N-scale (although a later prototype version, but still look a lot alike).

Dog gone it all, anyway.  Now I've got another project to add to my list of things I want to do.  I guess it will become project #7,394 on my ever-growing list! 

Thanks Paul! I have seen the N gauge version and it's a 3rd generation or later car with 30 tanks (all were visually similar). Mine is a 2nd generation car with 28 tanks.  It's a worthwhile project to take on if you can find one!  The first picture below is what it looked like when I first got it. The second and third show it after converting it to 3-rail and repairing the roof panel.

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mountain482 posted:

Thanks Paul! I have seen the N gauge version and it's a 3rd generation or later car with 30 tanks (all were visually similar). Mine is a 2nd generation car with 28 tanks.

Yeah!  I think these cars would be fairly easy to scratch build.  I could simply measure up my N-scale cars, and make new O-scale drawings, if a search for scale drawings comes up empty.  The hardest part for me would be running down some decals.

I really need to learn how to make my own decals.  I think that's #2,943 on my list of things to do. 

Paul,

It shouldn't be too bad to build one from scratch but I have seen some partially built on eBay including some that have been mis-listed as other types of cars. I have not come across any O-scale plans online.

The decals I used came from Tichy Train Group except for the eagle.  I got my decal set from eBay.  The Tichy set is for the third and later generation cars and comes in U.S. Navy, Department of the Interior, and Atomic Energy Commission. The latter two owned the cars after the U.S. Navy.  I adapted the set for my car since it's a second generation car.  I made the eagle decal by heavily editing a clear photo I took of the original that was on my car. I then resized it and printed it on decal paper.

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