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                  Pecos River Brass "Little Hudson" tender- same as the "Big Hudson" tender.

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For today's tender shifting gears from one of the larger to a unique small flat car.

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The fuel, wood, stored in the wooden crate.  The water tank a barrel.  Cannot get much more utilitarian.

Ron

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The poems are articulate and Walt Arvin needs to copyright them. Then, one of the manufacturers needs to produce a model of the engine and tender with these inscriptions on its sides.

MELGAR

@MELGAR posted:

The poems are articulate and Walt Arvin needs to copyright them. Then, one of the manufacturers needs to produce a model of the engine and tender with these inscriptions on its sides.

MELGAR

Simple or compound articulate? Sorry, I couldn't resist. 😎

PS: Tanks [sic] everyone for the pictures.

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I don't recall if the poem was written on 2050 before or after it arrived at IRM in 1976, but it's since been transferred to 2050's marker after the tender was painted.

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                                 Not the largest tender.... Bachmann On30 two truck T-boiler Shay.

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The PRR M1 4-8-2 when first produced had a tender similar to the one used on K4 steamers, a 110-P-75.  This tender carried 11,980 gallons of water and 18.5 tones of coal.

K4 Tender

Apparently this proved too small for the big 4-8-2, and bigger tenders soon replaced the smaller K4 style tender.  There were at least three types used, but the one seen most often was the 210-F-75, a 22,090 gallons of water/31.5 tons of coal behemoth with dog house.  The original 210-F-75 had 6-wheel truck.  In later years the tender received 8-wheel trucks and renamed 210-F-75B.

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Two homemade Vanderbilt Coal Tenders, a shorter one and longer 6 wheel one that looks better with 2046, 671 and 2065 engines I have.   Front coal section of VCT were made from junk Lionel Coal Tenders and mailing tubes for the water tanks.  It is hard to find Vanderbilt Coal Tenders to buy for older post war locomotives.

The new longer 6 wheel Vanderbilt Coal tender is only one inch longer than the first one and the same length of the longer Lionel 6 wheel CTs sold with longer engines.

 

Charlie

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From 12-years ago a shipment from "Jimmy."  two Pennsy L1's and a K4.  But one of the L1's, the one in the foreground has a problem.

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Anyone pick up on the problem?

Ron

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Two homemade Vanderbilt Coal Tenders, a shorter one and longer 6 wheel one that looks better with 2046, 671 and 2065 engines I have.   Front coal section of VCT were made from junk Lionel Coal Tenders and mailing tubes for the water tanks.  It is hard to find Vanderbilt Coal Tenders to buy for older post war locomotives.

The new longer 6 wheel Vanderbilt Coal tender is only one inch longer than the first one and the same length of the longer Lionel 6 wheel CTs sold with longer engines.

 

Charlie

Charlie:

That is superb modeling! The tenders are GREAT!

@PRRronbh posted:

From 12-years ago a shipment from "Jimmy."  two Pennsy L1's and a K4.  But one of the L1's, the one in the foreground has a problem.  Anyone pick up on the problem?

Ron

Wrong tender.  Looks like it is from a K4.

A different look, Stainless steel.   Steamtown, Scranton, PA.  A solution to the rust-out problem.  ?? 3713 replacement tender??    Needs some fake rivet heads.     

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Wrong tender.  Looks like it is from a K4.

Hi Ron,

I don't think it is a K4 tender, as least not a K4 tender I have seen pictured.  May be for some earlier K type engine.

Here is an over head pic.  The new K4 on left and the one in question on the right.

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The problem I saw was that the tender obviously did not match up to the engine it was packed and shipped with.

This is  a pic of the L1's cab road number 520,

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This is a pic of the tender/tender's back-up lamp numbered 9630!

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Ron by any chance do you have an index cross reference of Pennsy steam engine road numbers to engine classes?

Ron

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@PRRronbh posted:

Hi Ron,

The problem I saw was that the tender obviously did not match up to the engine it was packed and shipped with.

This is  a pic of the L1's cab road number 520,

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This is a pic of the tender/tender's back-up lamp numbered 9630!

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Ron by any chance do you have an index cross reference of Pennsy steam engine road numbers to engine classes?

Ron

#520 is correct for the L1, built in 1916 and retired in 1957.  It currently is on display in Strasburg.

#9630 was one of the five L2 engines the PRR kept.  Bought in 1919 and scrapped in 1948.

I assume you bought it used.  Maybe the other owner also had an L1 and accidentally swapped tenders when they were sold.

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@CAPPilot posted:

#520 is correct for the L1, built in 1916 and retired in 1957.  It currently is on display in Strasburg.

#9630 was one of the five L2 engines the PRR kept.  Bought in 1919 and scrapped in 1948.

I assume you bought it used.  Maybe the other owner also had an L1 and accidentally swapped tenders when they were sold.

Ron,

Not used bought from Jimmy in Homer City, Pa.  He took it back and refunded me.

To the best of my knowledge Mike/MTH nevr made a L2!??

Now thanks to you I know why that 9630 road number kept resonating with me.  And I have the K-Line Pennsy L2 #9628 not a bad representation of the 9628.  The tender Jimmy sent me with the L1 is in fact the same tender shape as this K-Line L2.

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Thanks so much for jogging my memory.

Ron

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@PRRronbh posted:

To the best of my knowledge Mike/MTH nevr made a L2!??

MTH produced their USRA 2-8-2 in Pennsy livery, but it did not have the Pennsy specific mods like the K-Line model.  (I don't think Lionel's version had the Pennsy mods either.)  Neither MTH or Lionel called their Pennsy version an L2.

It would be interesting to know how the tenders got swapped.

ADDED - just checked, the Lionel USRA 2-8-2 is their generic Mikado with no Pennsy mods.  I am really glad I got the K-Line and upgraded it with ERR cruise.

As far as I could find, this USRA tender carried 14.5 tons coal and 10,000 gallons water, making it on the small size for a Pennsy tender.  Here is some photos:

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@CAPPilot posted:

MTH produced their USRA 2-8-2 in Pennsy livery, but it did not have the Pennsy specific mods like the K-Line model.  (I don't think Lionel's version had the Pennsy mods either.)  Neither MTH or Lionel called their Pennsy version an L2.

It would be interesting to know how the tenders got swapped.

ADDED - just checked, the Lionel USRA 2-8-2 is their generic Mikado with no Pennsy mods.

I suggested to Jimmy that if the locos were on display and packed up maybe the tender got switched.  Was hoping we could just swap out for the correct ones.  He could not find the correct one in the shop so I returned it for refund. Then got one off of eBay.  So maybe was packed that way from China!?.

Ron 

@CAPPilot posted:

MTH produced their USRA 2-8-2 in Pennsy livery, but it did not have the Pennsy specific mods like the K-Line model.  (I don't think Lionel's version had the Pennsy mods either.)  Neither MTH or Lionel called their Pennsy version an L2.

It would be interesting to know how the tenders got swapped.

ADDED - just checked, the Lionel USRA 2-8-2 is their generic Mikado with no Pennsy mods.  I am really glad I got the K-Line and upgraded it with ERR cruise.

As far as I could find, this USRA tender carried 14.5 tons coal and 10,000 gallons water, making it on the small size for a Pennsy tender.  Here is some photos:

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Ron what manufacture made the tender in your photos?

Ron

Ron,

That is the tender on my K-Line L2.  I believe the Pennsy left those USRA tenders pretty much stock, so it is the same as the ones on most USRA light Mikados owned by other roads.

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