- UP 4-6-2 3218
- CNJ Blue Comet Camelback
- NYC Pacemaker Mohawk
- NYC Pacemaker Expansion Set?
- ATSF Warbonnet SD70Ace 1859
- RBMN GP35 2531?
- Amtrak Acela & Expansion Pack
- New Hope & Ivyland Set
- C&A John Bull Set
- Rio Grande Ski Train 2-Pack?
- Conrail 65' Mill Gondola
- BNSF Beer Car with Graffiti
- Sierra Railroad Boxcar
- Conrail Ballast Tamper
- W&A General 4-4-0
- Polar Express Sleeper "North Pole"
Don't forget the Ryan and Dave Big Book Catalog show on Lionel's Facebook page today at 3pm ET. You don't have to have a Facebook account to watch but if you want to ask question then I believe you need an account.
@MartyE posted:Don't forget the Ryan and Dave Big Book Catalog show on Lionel's Facebook page today at 3pm ET. You don't have to have a Facebook account to watch but if you want to ask question then I believe you need an account.
Yeah, I'll tune in and hopefully I can ask if they don't say what's what. I know that they won't answer questions for the most part, that usually only happens when TrainWorld hosts them.
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:Just note that those are conventional if you did not see. I am not interested in them, but saw that at the top and understood because lack of space would be why. If your okay with conventional, you're good to go.
Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't notice.
I think I'm okay with that since I only have DCS and no TMCC/Legacy equipment. I was actually thinking, does this mean I will have to invest in a Legacy system? I guess not just yet. It gets to me a bit that I have to invest like $1000 just to run a $1000 loco.
Now that I got my hands on the online magazine, I'm for sure getting:
2134120 Southern #520
2131480 Santa Fe #3009
2143101 D&M Boxcar #2115
Then... that 2131540 NYC Mohawk #2775. It's a good looking locomotive and I don't really have anything like it but the price is a bit steep for this year. We'll see what Uncle Sam says about my income tax return or one of those stimulus checks.
I am strongly considering the following:
SD70ACE - Atlantic Coast Line
SD70ACE - Canadian Pacific (wish they were the prototypical road numbers though)
GP30 - CSX (Chessie)
SW8 - Coors (got the two new beer 🍺 cars to go with it already and they are great)
Nickel Plate Road Work Train 🚂 Set
UP Beer 🍻 Cars
Penn Central TMCC Speeder
I will definitely have to narrow this down but these are my favorites so far. I tried the LVC option on the Lionchief app with a Legacy engine I already own that has Bluetooth and it works amazingly good. You gotta try it out.
@Frank Mulligan posted:Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't notice.
I think I'm okay with that since I only have DCS and no TMCC/Legacy equipment. I was actually thinking, does this mean I will have to invest in a Legacy system? I guess not just yet. It gets to me a bit that I have to invest like $1000 just to run a $1000 loco.
Hey Frank, you can find a Legacy command set for under $350 at the big dealers. Connect one wire and you’re up and running. Jump in!
Little known NASA Railroad fact... This is how NASA transports the Velociraptors it brings back from space.
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John Bull Perth Amboy set,
ACL GP7,
Nickel Plate work train
N&S hopper cars,
Will have to think on anything else,
Looking at the Veranda in 2001 it cost $1249, 20 years later it's $400 more dollars at $1649.
Doing an internet search the value of $1249 in today's dollars is $1847. So I'm not sure that the cost of the new Veranda is much off from what it should be based on the cost of the first run. I'm sure I messed up these numbers somehow so correct them if I am wrong.
Dave said the Mohawk #2790 P/N 2131520 at the bottom of page 16.
With no competition, Lionel can now return to its roots: Fantasy & Non-Prototypical schemes.
@MartyE I did the same check and was surprised that it isn't priced at inflation cost or more.
I saw some fantasy locomotives and I'm glad they made them even though they aren't for me. The red is good looking! But would look weird on my layout.
I'm confused about the weathering on the Mohawks but I'm sure I'll figure it out.
@MartyE posted:Looking at the Veranda in 2001 it cost $1249, 20 years later it's $400 more dollars at $1649.
Doing an internet search the value of $1249 in today's dollars is $1847. So I'm not sure that the cost of the new Veranda is much off from what it should be based on the cost of the first run. I'm sure I messed up these numbers somehow so correct them if I am wrong.
I've always wanted a Veranda, glad to see Lionel bringing it back and with SuperBass to give it the sound presence it needs.
They are saving money by not making EXACT door-style versions of the modern box cars in O scale
Andrew
@BillYo414 posted:@MartyE I did the same check and was surprised that it isn't priced at inflation cost or more.
I saw some fantasy locomotives and I'm glad they made them even though they aren't for me. The red is good looking! But would look weird on my layout.
I'm confused about the weathering on the Mohawks but I'm sure I'll figure it out.
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:Dave said the Mohawk #2790 P/N 2131520 at the bottom of page 16.
See here Bill, I got Dave to confirm with Ryan.
@falconservice posted:They are saving money by not making EXACT door-style versions of the modern box cars in O scale
Andrew
As well as the trucks and couplers. I think I have an old double door boxcar that has diecast sprung trucks. Not so with these.
@SPSF posted:With no competition, Lionel can now return to its roots: Fantasy & Non-Prototypical schemes.
I wouldn't say fantasy schemes on engines were Lionel's roots at all. This wasn't done much at all in the Postwar era, or the MPC era, or the LTI period, or even since. Really, most of it seems to have been done just in the past 5-6 years or so.
On another note, it looks like only some of the passenger cars contain figures. Steam sets & Acela sets have figures, Diesels sets don't(unless I missed it). I didn't see any Diesel set with figures in the comments, just detail interiors.
@Rider Sandman posted:Hey Frank, you can find a Legacy command set for under $350 at the big dealers. Connect one wire and you’re up and running. Jump in!
Yeah. For setup, if you think adding Legacy to a DCS layout is an imposing proposition, you have things reversed. 
@breezinup posted:I wouldn't say fantasy schemes on engines were Lionel's roots at all. This wasn't done much at all in the Postwar era, or the MPC era, or the LTI period, or even since. Really, most of it seems to have been done just in the past 5-6 years or so.
Except a lot of PW stuff was lettered Lionel Lines...
Rusty
Although the Early SG (and 2 7/8") trains had real RR names on them, the Classic Prewar Period is nothing but Lionel. Between about 1925 and 1960, far more trains wore the Lionel livery than ever wore all real RR names combined, including 1:1 scale. In that sense, the Lionel name is less fantasy than economic impression.
$9050. That's how much I need to get the things I really want out of the catalog. This is ridiculous!
@MartyE posted:Looking at the Veranda in 2001 it cost $1249, 20 years later it's $400 more dollars at $1649.
Doing an internet search the value of $1249 in today's dollars is $1847. So I'm not sure that the cost of the new Veranda is much off from what it should be based on the cost of the first run. I'm sure I messed up these numbers somehow so correct them if I am wrong.
I did the same thing, but with the John Bull. It would have been $510 in 2008. In 2021 dollars that's $615, not $1050. And Lionel didn't even add any value to it, it's still conventional. Come on Lionel, you can't tell me you could fit boards in it? They have DCC in Z scale. Yes, it'll take time and money, but you could reduce the boards from the brass hybrid 4-4-0's to fit. Or put a DCC standard connector in it so we could open it and add DCC easy. Or even just buy DCC boards from someone that makes them. In the end, that's what I'll end up doing if I get one of the sets, drop DCC in it.
And then there's the Pacifics, $1500 for them, yet the S scale ones are $700? Really? There isn't that big a difference in size, plus the S ones have DCC! (Still don't get why S has Legacy/DCC boards yet O does not.) Some say it's because MTH is closing that Lionel is getting so out of hand, but if you look, their prices have been growing rather quickly since 5-6 years ago, about the time of the 1st VisionLine Big Boy. On the other hand MTH had moderate price increases more inline with inflation. As for paying MSRP vs pre-order prices, $15-150 isn't much of a discount. I'll lose all that in shipping and taxes.
There were a lot of great things this time, 1st time there has been so much I want, but Lionel has priced themselves way out of the ball park anymore for me to ever get more then 1 or 2 things a year instead of 3-4 per catalog. At the rate things are going I'll just simply stop buying in a couple years. The joy vs cost just isn't in my favor anymore.
@MartyE posted:Looking at the Veranda in 2001 it cost $1249, 20 years later it's $400 more dollars at $1649.
Doing an internet search the value of $1249 in today's dollars is $1847. So I'm not sure that the cost of the new Veranda is much off from what it should be based on the cost of the first run. I'm sure I messed up these numbers somehow so correct them if I am wrong.
I got my TMCC Veranda about 5 years ago at a price of $600.00 NIB. So maybe if one waits long enough you too can get a deal. But with today’s prices might be waiting for some time?
@Frank Mulligan posted:Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't notice.
I think I'm okay with that since I only have DCS and no TMCC/Legacy equipment. I was actually thinking, does this mean I will have to invest in a Legacy system? I guess not just yet. It gets to me a bit that I have to invest like $1000 just to run a $1000 loco.
Frank, I have DCS and TMCC, have not gone the Legacy route. I’ve been able to run the 4 Lionel engines I have, as well as the 6 Atlas engines, through DCS with no problem. You might be able to add TMCC at a significantly lower cost.
Not a single thing.
Already have an Acela so the only thing would be the New Hope and Ivyland set. Have to check if the actual RR uses those cars and how accurate the set is overall.
Anybody know offhand?
@Rider Sandman posted:Hey Frank, you can find a Legacy command set for under $350 at the big dealers. Connect one wire and you’re up and running. Jump in!
I added Legacy about a year ago. Wasn't hard at all. MTH puts a simple diagram in the front of the catalogs telling you what u need. I use both systems. Its in the DCS companion too.
There are a few items in this catalog that are interesting. However, having been disappointed with an engine I pre-ordered, along with the mystifying paint colors of the last couple years, I will not be pre-ordering anything. If I am still interested when/if these items arrive some time in the future I might buy a couple if they are available.
@GregM posted:There are a few items in this catalog that are interesting. However, having been disappointed with an engine I pre-ordered, along with the mystifying paint colors of the last couple years, I will not be pre-ordering anything. If I am still interested when/if these items arrive some time in the future I might buy a couple if they are available.
In what way were you disappointed with your purchase?
How we got spoiled by the plethora of options we had when Williams, Weaver, K Line, Atlas, Lionel and MTH catalogues to look forward to annually/semi annually.
@breezinup posted:I wouldn't say fantasy schemes on engines were Lionel's roots at all. This wasn't done much at all in the Postwar era, or the MPC era, or the LTI period, or even since. Really, most of it seems to have been done just in the past 5-6 years or so.
This post literally made me laugh out loud. Lionel basically cut its teeth on one big fantasy scheme: “Lionel Lines”!! Locomotives, freight cars, passenger cars...Lionel Lines was everywhere! Unless of course you don’t consider Lionel Lines a “fantasy scheme”...although I can’t say I’ve seen many prototype photos of THAT railroad!
Maybe I'm just bummed out by MTH leaving the market and Lionel having minimal competition, but I didn't see anything I gotta have. And the artwork doesn't generate much excitement.
Some of the fantasy trains look interesting, but waaaay too expensive for my taste.
Absolutely nothing. Very disappointing catalog.
Pat
As others have mentioned, my bank account will not take a hit this time. Lots of fun fantasy schemes, including the PRR turbine and high speed train, just not what I'm looking for on my layout. Of the only two Pennsy cars, one is too late for my era and the other is a fantasy scheme. Maybe next time they will have gray PRR MoW cars and more AFT cars.
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:See here Bill, I got Dave to confirm with Ryan.
So the 2131520 #2790 is the only weathered scheme? I'm looking for the non-weathered version.
I like the New Haven PA AA set. That is the one thing I am pretty sure I will buy.
Ben
@falconservice posted:The GP30 diesel and the GP35 are a different locomotive design.
If you truly model the SOO LINE you have to get the series of the GP30, GP35, GP40 diesel-electric locomotives.
The SOO LINE got 22 of the GP30s in 1963
The SOO LINE got 4 GP35s in 1964.
The SOO LINE got 6 GP35s in 1965.
The SOO LINE got 4 GP40s in 1967.
The much larger number of GP30s present on the SOO means that you have to get the pair from LIONEL for a proper ratio of motive power.
Andrew
@TM Terry posted:It's hard to argue with that logic
Maybe it is if you have $1,000.00 cash lying around with nothing to do.
@breezinup posted:I wouldn't say fantasy schemes on engines were Lionel's roots at all. This wasn't done much at all in the Postwar era, or the MPC era, or the LTI period, or even since. Really, most of it seems to have been done just in the past 5-6 years or so.
@Rusty Traque posted:Except a lot of PW stuff was lettered Lionel Lines...
Rusty
