The kids are not happy, Thomas!!!

Looks like they went with decals instead of leaded paint.

 In this day and age. Little ones will  still have plenty of fun watching Thomas on their I pods and cellphones.

Being a parent and now grandparent that went through the Thomas phase, I understand your issue. The new stuff isn't nearly as nice and fp probably did this as part of a cost reduction.

May I suggest stocking Lego trains? I only say this because, (long story short hopefully).....

Have a son that loved Thomas, we've got bins and bins of the "old" wooden stuff. For some reason we held onto it. Fast forward 20 years, had grandson, loves Thomas, still had our sons setup, bonus. Grandson was out growing Thomas, still had my son's o-gauge set that I had built for him put away in boxes. 

Before I invested more time, money and space in resetting up the o gauge trains I wanted to see if it was "worth it". Decided to spend some money and bought a bunch of Lego trains as an intermediate. Find Lego trains are great, most kids love Lego and they can build their own Lego train creation. 

Once grandson got the idea down of operating the Lego trains, switches, bluetoothish connectivity he loved it. I decided this was a good gauge to determine if it was worth setting up the "real train". 

Best of all, Lego trains are on par,  (generally) with Thomas stuff $ wise and found it to be a great stop-gap measure between "baby" kid toys to o gauge setup. 

And since it's Lego,  the kids can build a Thomas/James/Gordon or Herald the helicopter looking piece.

This may not solve the toddler stage issue for you but........just my 2 cents, (may not be worth that much).

Glad I kept all my son's Thomas stuff cleaned, in great shape and stored in airtight containers.  I have practically every character and accessory and the plan was to save for his kids.  Maybe it will be worth a mint by the that time - he's only 16 now. 

-Greg

I don't blame you for being upset they look terrible!  The tender on James is just a square block with decals on it. Definitely looks like FP is trying to cut corners.

Either I'm suffering from deja vu or one of the staff at my dialysis clinic mentioned this Thomas problem to me earlier today. I agree, the new stuff looks way too different. Kids know. I saved most of my kid's toys. Both have finished college. No prospect of grandkids anytime soon, but the stuff is there, waiting to get its second life.

dkdkrd posted:

Ottawa_Marc posted:

May I suggest stocking Lego trains? 

While Legos are certainly a well recognized toy, the last time we explored having their product line in our store it was essentially an all-or-nothing proposition...ALL of the Lego products, or none of them.  IOW....Sure, we'd like to have their trains products.  But, we'd be obligated to have their entire product line-up, too.  And that's something we have neither space nor inventory budget for in addition to our other product lines....We're a full-line hobby shop: R/C cars, boats, drones, planes, helicopters, static models, games, puzzles, rockets, telescopes, metal detectors, tools, paints, scenery items, etc........and, of course, trains of most gauges.

Our kids korner has had its own 'gravity', though, thanks to Thomas, including the all-important play table.  Kids make a running bee-line there when they come through the door.....regardless of which department the parents are heading to!  A couple years ago we temporarily removed the Thomas play table during the Christmas holiday period...Nov/Dec....to create space for stacking Lionel sets and other large, popular items.  DUMB MOVE!  We had more than a few crying kids over that faux pas.  It had been a shopping treat filled with parent/grandparent promises to stop by our store so the kids could see...and play with...the trains.  No Thomas?!?  Wahhhhhhhhhhh!  Never again....well, until this new conundrum hit.  Of course, we also get a fair amount of blood-curdling screaming/crying when the kids are dragged away from Thomas when the parents/grandparents are ready to leave! (We're proudly the only store department to have this type of departure!)

It will, indeed, be interesting to see how it plays out.....pun intended.

KD

That would be a lot of Lego to have to stock. Didn't know it was all or nothing, unfortunate.

Marc

Chris Lonero posted:

I don't blame you for being upset they look terrible!  The tender on James is just a square block with decals on it. Definitely looks like FP is trying to cut corners.

Chris, I don't even think it's decals. It looks more like a quick silk screen printing.

Like other places, such as big box stores.....don't fix something that is NOT broken.

Faster, better, cheaper strikes again leaving the faster and cheaper behind.

Bogie

Yup...if it ain't broke, break it!

To quote Eddie Valiant: "Pencil pushers, may they all die of lead poisoning". Either that or some deluded marketing person actually thought this was a good idea...

Wow, the Fisher Price ones do look bad.  I watched Shining Time Station and Thomas with our girls, but they didn’t have toy Thomas’s.  Now they are grown up.  My wife has picked up various Thomas trains at thrift stores in recent years.  I have a whole stash of them in the attic.  It doesn’t help the ongoing sales of new products.

Believe it or not there is a fairly large Thomas wooden railway community (TWRC). It’s mostly people my age, late teens to twenties, you know, the people that grew up playing with the original wooden Thomas models in the late 90s/early 2000s. These people are serious about their TWR, and when the new product line, called Thomas & Friends Wood, was first leaked, the whole community was up in arms. So trust me, it’s not just the kids and parents that aren’t happy. Even the die hard fans of Thomas Wooden Railway are complaining about this lazy move by Mattel/Fisher Price.

MY DAUGHTER USED TO WORK THERE. THEY HAVE CUT THEIR STAFF IN NEW YORK BY HALF. THEY ARE CUTTING VERY TALENTED AND BRILLIANT/CREATIVE PEOPLE AND THE WORK IS GOING TO CHINA. OF COURSE THEIR PRICES AREN'T GOING DOWN, QUALITY AND CREATIVITY IS.

Mattel/FP really went the lazy route on the new line. It looks like they did the minimum in shaping and painting. In know when it comes to items like this, Mattel uses a 'parts' rule, that the item can't go beyond a certain number of parts or steps in manufacturing.  I'm not too surprised by the previous poster mentioned staff/cost cutting. I read a recent report that stated the reason why most toy companies, as well as some retailers who cater to kids, are struggling because of the low birth rate in this country, the explosion of tech toys and children involved in so many external activities, they don't really have time to themselves to 'play' as we did when we were kids. ToysRUs was indirectly affected by this phenomenon, although TRU had larger financial issues which shut them down. 

GILBERT GREG posted:

THEY ARE CUTTING VERY TALENTED AND BRILLIANT/CREATIVE PEOPLE AND THE WORK IS GOING TO CHINA. OF COURSE THEIR PRICES AREN'T GOING DOWN, QUALITY AND CREATIVITY IS.

Hmmmmm! Sounds familiar!!!

This is something I've seen a lot online, and honestly I don't blame old fans and new ones with their parents alike. I grew up with the original Wooden Railway, Ertl Die Cast, etc., so seeing this is a huge step down. Back when the show was still owned by the original creators Britt Allcroft and the late David Mitton, the merchandise was almost always fantastic. 

It's funny because when the Thomas series was bad (2004-2012), the merchandise was still good. When Mattel/Fisher Price bought the franchise in 2013, the show got better again, but the merchandise slowly turned awful, eventually leading to the above Thomas Wood. I would imagine a company like Mattel, who has made great toys like the Hot Wheels line, would be thinking a bit more logically and ahead with a franchise like Thomas in the palm in their hands - Wooden Railway in particular, which has been around since late 1992, the longest running Thomas merchandise line in history.

But Thomas Wood is actually just the tip of the iceberg of some really perplexing decisions on Mattel's part. Characters like Daisy, Donald & Douglas, who have been used a lot in the current series have not gotten any toys to sell alongside their recent appearances on video and TV, but characters like Ferdinand who has not appeared in years or one off characters still get made by the masses. 

Large corporate America strikes again.

I wonder what Ringo Star thinks about all this? Ringo was part owner of the Thomas the Tank franchise, (Shining Time Station) and when ever the full size Thomas locomotives, real of fake, visits various railroad museums and tourist lines around the U.S., the name "Richard Starkey", i.e. Ringo, appeared on the contract.