The New York, Ontario & Western

     There was a spur on the NY, Ontario and Western that ran from Port Jervis to Monticello. Does anyone know of any remaining landmarks, such as visible rail or abandoned stations? Would like to get up to Sullivan County this summer and trace that spur.

     Thank you for any information you can provide.

John Knapp

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I'm not sure if this is still available from the O&W historical society or if an updated version is available.

A Guide To The New York Ontario & Western's Monticello, Port Jervis & Kingston Division by Charle M. Breiner and William E. Scott - 90 pages with many photos, maps, structure plans and drawings of the railroads Monticello, Port Jervis & Kingston Division. This street by street guide will help you navigate along the right-of-way pointing out the remaining points of interest as you travel along.................................................. $15.00

 

Your best best would be to join and post on the O&W facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/OWRHS/

 

 

When I was a young lad, we would travel to Port Jervis via the Erie? (Maybe O&W?) and then take an automobile ride to Forestburgh, where my aunt had a summer home. I remember visiting a place called the Sho Fu Den and also Monticello. We had to take a ferry to the Jersey Shore to get the train, but I was about 5 years old in 1947, and my memory is a little fuzzy! Did the Erie also run through Port Jervis? I do remember the steam Loco backing up to couple onto our train, and the tender backup light as we were in the first coach!

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Art.....I believe both did.....the O&W would start in Weehawken and then after Middletown, in Summitville, a branchline served Port Jervis and Monticello. The Erie would start out in Jersey City and head north to Suffren and Port Jervis was part of their main line west. I believe the NJTransit/Metro North commuter train to Port Jervis follows mostly the Erie route in southern NY state. By the way, those of you who used to stop at the Red Apple Rest driving to the Catskills.....it was abandoned last time I drove by a few years ago.

Peter

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By the way, those of you who used to stop at the Red Apple Rest driving to the Catskills.....it was abandoned last time I drove by a few years ago.

I always looked forward to stopping at the Red Apple Rest on every trip up to the Catskills. I believe the other place nearby (on Route 17) was Orsick Boys or Orsick Brothers. Early 1950s. Then would go to watch the NYO&W in South Fallsburg. A long time ago.

MELGAR

The Monticello station still exists, it is now owned  by the VanEtten Oil co. (VEO) . there is an historical marker in front of the building put there by the NYO&W historical society.

as far as the Sho Fu Den in Forestburgh goes I've never heard of it and I live in sullivan county.

I would recommend anyone interested in the O&W to join the O&W historical society, it's a great deal you get a collectible limited edition book and a collectible calendar. See the website for details.

Most people that can give you most all the information you need to know about the O&W will be at Middletown Railroad day in Middletown NY on July 29th

 

DAVE ROBINSON

 

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     Many thanks to Dave, Tinplate Art, MELGAR, Peter, Tom, Train1872H, hCoal Cracker and Jim for all of the information on the New York, Ontario and Western- Monticello to Port Jervis- spur. My son and I now have much to follow up on. We will be investigating for the next few weeks and I will report back with any new "discoveries," etc.

Your input is much appreciated,

John

Jknapp

This sits out by me on the Black River & Western Line here in NJ, would be great if restored the rest of the way. I hope that when restored, tgey paint it as it was Rail line and all as they have with the PRR equipment. I'll have to look at some of the links above now that I have my laptop back and running.IMG_20180609_141135988

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This sits out by me on the Black River & Western Line here in NJ, would be great if restored the rest of the way. I hope that when restored, tgey paint it as it was Rail line and all as they have with the PRR equipment. I'll have to look at some of the links above now that I have my laptop back and running.IMG_20180609_141135988

IIRC, this was not an O&W railcar. Can’t recall the origin. 

I belive the only remaining car is parlor car 30, the Warwick. 

The NYO&W Chenango #99 was built in 1903 by Harlan & Hollingsworth as a 72 foot parlor car and was converted to a coach in 1942.  I believe it was sold in 1945 with other O&W passenger cars to Mexico; I'm not sure of its final disposition. Link below to a google book which shows interior and  exterior pics.

https://books.google.com/books...ngsworth&f=false

Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

This sits out by me on the Black River & Western Line here in NJ, IMG_20180609_141135988

Question. Maybe it’s just the angle of the camera, but is this car still on trucks? It seems really high in the air. If it’s used as a residence, wouldn’t it be better to have under the car enclosed somehow? If nothing else, keep plumbing from freezing and unwanted drafts in the winter.

MIKATT1 posted:

The Monticello station still exists, it is now owned  by the VanEtten Oil co. (VEO) . there is an historical marker in front of the building put there by the NYO&W historical society.

 

Dave is spot on.....sorry I didn't post these pics right away........I was out of town and away from my picture archives.

These are the pics of the Monticello station and station area now re-purposed into an oil dealership....I took these pics in June 2008.

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You can see rails, ties and parts of the station platform in the parking lot.

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